ANZAC re-enactment train Friday 31st October 2014

 
  NiSig Locomotive Driver

Location: South of the River, Perth WA
G'day all,

I have started this new thread as a place to post information regarding the train so anyone who's interested can see it/wave at it/photograph it and share photos after the event including the Pinjarra-Midland and Fremantle-Pinjarra empty cars movements.  Does anyone know what the train number(s) will be?

I have put together 2 estimated timetables (heavy emphasis on the estimated) of the Midland to Fremantle sector based on Diesel Passenger non-stop (circa 1980's) and current EMU all stops section running times.  As has been announced in various places, the run is expected to take place at 30kmh and take approximately 50 minutes.  The overhead will be de-energized and some suburban services will be cancelled or have their runs truncated.

So here goes...


Station                    Diesel time          EMU time

Midland dep                 1000                   1000
Woodbridge dep           1001                   1002
East Guildford dep        1003                   1004
Guildford dep               1005                   1005
Success Hill dep           1006                   1006
Bassendean dep           1007                   1008
Ashfield dep                 1009                   1010
Bayswater dep             1011                   1013
Meltham dep                1013                   1015
Maylands dep               1014                   1016
Mt Lawley dep              1016                   1018
East Perth dep              1017                   1019
Claisebrook dep            1018                   1021
McIver dep                   1019                   1023
Perth dep                     1020                   1025
City West dep               1022                   1027
West Leederville dep     1024                   1029
Subiaco dep                 1026                   1031
Daglish dep                  1027                   1032
Shenton Park dep         1028                   1034
Karrakatta dep             1030                   1035
Loch St dep                  1031                   1036
Claremont dep              1032                   1038
Swanbourne dep           1034                   1040
Grant St dep                 1035                   1041
Cottesloe dep                1036                   1043
Mosman Park dep          1038                   1045
Victoria St dep              1039                    1046
North Fremantle dep      1042                   1048
Fremantle arr                1044                   1051

As these times are only estimates, I suggest taking up your waving/photographic position at least 10-15 minutes before these times.  I look forward to seeing lots of great photos of the day on RP and hope everyone has a great time chasing this special historic train just like 'the good old days'.  I also hope the crew enjoys operating the train and that everything goes to plan on the day.  As always, stay safe and happy gunzelling.

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  Hotham Valley Junior Train Controller

G'day all,

I have started this new thread as a place to post information regarding the train so anyone who's interested can see it/wave at it/photograph it and share photos after the event including the Pinjarra-Midland and Fremantle-Pinjarra empty cars movements. Does anyone know what the train number(s) will be?

I have put together 2 estimated timetables (heavy emphasis on the estimated) of the Midland to Fremantle sector based on Diesel Passenger non-stop (circa 1980's) and current EMU all stops section running times. As has been announced in various places, the run is expected to take place at 30kmh and take approximately 50 minutes. The overhead will be de-energized and some suburban services will be cancelled or have their runs truncated.

So here goes...


Station Diesel time EMU time

Midland dep 1000 1000
Woodbridge dep 1001 1002
East Guildford dep 1003 1004
Guildford dep 1005 1005
Success Hill dep 1006 1006
Bassendean dep 1007 1008
Ashfield dep 1009 1010
Bayswater dep 1011 1013
Meltham dep 1013 1015
Maylands dep 1014 1016
Mt Lawley dep 1016 1018
East Perth dep 1017 1019
Claisebrook dep 1018 1021
McIver dep 1019 1023
Perth dep 1020 1025
City West dep 1022 1027
West Leederville dep 1024 1029
Subiaco dep 1026 1031
Daglish dep 1027 1032
Shenton Park dep 1028 1034
Karrakatta dep 1030 1035
Loch St dep 1031 1036
Claremont dep 1032 1038
Swanbourne dep 1034 1040
Grant St dep 1035 1041
Cottesloe dep 1036 1043
Mosman Park dep 1038 1045
Victoria St dep 1039 1046
North Fremantle dep 1042 1048
Fremantle arr 1044 1051

As these times are only estimates, I suggest taking up your waving/photographic position at least 10-15 minutes before these times. I look forward to seeing lots of great photos of the day on RP and hope everyone has a great time chasing this special historic train just like 'the good old days'. I also hope the crew enjoys operating the train and that everything goes to plan on the day. As always, stay safe and happy gunzelling.


NiSig

Dear NiSig

The scheduled arrival time at Fremantle is 1110, not 1050 or 1100 as can be found written in various places. We will be looking to run as 'on time' as possible or a couple of minutes ahead.

The Aurizon DAZ loco will depart 3 min ahead of the HVR Train and will run 5 to 10 min ahead as it progresses.

We have posted a table of approximate metro times on the HVR facebook page and it also appears on the official ANZAC sites.

Regards,

Ian Willis
HVR
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Why will the overhead be de-energized? Maybe explained elsewhere and I missed it?
  burt007 Chief Train Controller

Location: On the Road Somewhere...
As mentioned above the best way to stay up to date with this event is via our Facebook page...


https://www.facebook.com/hothamvalleyrailway


Full PTA timetable is available there to download/print/share etc

Also plenty of photos of the preparations, movements to Forestfield today and the actual event tomorrow as it happens.

Cheers all.... and hope to see many people line side to wave along this unique once in 100 year event Smile

Regards

Brett
  Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
What time is the train scheduled to arrive at Midland Station in the morning?
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

...and what time might it depart Freo at journey's end?
  Bethungra Train Controller

Reading a little about the background to the train.  The locomotive looks simply splendid at Fremantle Railway Station.




From the HVR:

A reenactment of the first troop movement to Fremantle will take place on the 31st of October 2014 in tribute to the brave young men and women who volunteered with one another in a conflict which would give Australia an identity we will always be proud of.

A little back ground information......

Blackboy Hill named after the grass trees, which dominated the site and is now absorbed into Greenmount, Western Australia. Originally comprising a military camp, the facilities and adjacent structures were on the hill that is now utilised by St Anthony's Primary School and Church, and Greenmount Primary School. The remaining land that has been left as a memorial to the troops who left the training camp is known as the Blackboy Hill.

During the troop build up for the First World War, the site was a military training camp used to house large numbers of Australian Imperial Force (AIF) troops before they left for the various battlefront locations in Europe and the Middle East. Facilities were moved from other parts of the metropolitan area to improve facilities which were quite basic.

Troops were transported to the adjacent Helena Vale Railway station and marched across to the camp, so as to not interfere with the working of the Eastern Railway.

Blackboy Hill Post Office opened on 29 August 1914 and closed on 30 November 1918, defining the period of occupation of the site.

Around April 1919, following the end of hostilities, the Imperial forces camp was turned over to the Health department to act as a fever hospital, treating Spanish Flu.

In the 1930s unemployed relief workers utilised the camp area.

On the 20th October, the 2nd trial run of the ANZAC Centenary train took place between 8PM and 4am with DAZ1901 in a fresh coat of paint pulling C1703 and 3 carriages AHT322, AHT 326 and AHT 320 all looking remarkable after the dedicated volunteers of Hotham Valley Railway shared their love.

Lest We Forget.

--For what it is worth Facebook must clearly be one of the worst social platforms to discuss anything in a reasonable and coherent fashion.  It is simply not intuitive to discussions of any meaning.  It is good for posting your holiday photos.
  burt007 Chief Train Controller

Location: On the Road Somewhere...
...and what time might it depart Freo at journey's end?
gw0071






Hi gw0071, et all,


The train will be platformed at Midland roundly 9:30am for a 10:00am departure.



The train is scheduled to arrive Fremantle 11:10am (approx) and then leave Fremantle (after the ceremonies etc) at 11:30am (again approx), hauled by the AurizonDAZ loco to Pinjarra.


Our Facebook page has all station arrival times - please note these are approx only.


Cheers all

Brett Mohen









  burt007 Chief Train Controller

Location: On the Road Somewhere...
Some photographs of the stock movement through Jandakot this afternoon here:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/transport_photography/15666522135/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/transport_photography/15480550267/https://www.flickr.com/photos/transport_photography/15479868149/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/transport_photography/15480550267/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/transport_photography/15666522135/
fleabag

Great photo's there fleabag!

I've posted one of your photos to our Facebook page to share.

Cheers and thanks for posting Smile

Brett
  fleabag Assistant Commissioner

Location: Perth
Great photo's there fleabag!

I've posted one of your photos to our Facebook page to share.

Cheers and thanks for posting Smile

Brett
burt007

Thank you. The train was very late.
  NiSig Locomotive Driver

Location: South of the River, Perth WA
G'day all,

Thanks Ian, Brett, and Bethungra for your additional information which is helpful for those of us not on the Book of Face.  I suspected the 50 minute timetable wasn't quite right because most tabled section times for the journey totalled between 65 and 88 minutes depending on motive power type.  I am looking forward to seeing some spirited running and suitable whistle sounding.  I intend to be photting between Mt Lawley station and the subway outside the fence on the Down side.

Petan, the official reason for the overhead being de-energized for the passage of the train is 'safety' which is odd considering that non-electric trains have safely operated under live overhead on the PTA network before, and continue to operate in other Australian states and overseas with no major dramas.  I will not poke the bear by commenting further on this...

Thanks also fleabag for your efforts, look forward to seeing more.  Incidentally, if anyone happens to photograph the train going through Claremont with the Signal Cabin in the shot, can a copy be supplied to the SIGWA website (you'll be credited for it)?  Thanks in advance.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Petan, the official reason for the overhead being de-energized for the passage of the train is 'safety' which is odd considering that non-electric trains have safely operated under live overhead on the PTA network before, and continue to operate in other Australian states and overseas with no major dramas. I will not poke the bear by commenting further on this...
NiSig

Thanks for helping with local knowledge Smile As you may have gathered from my other posts I live near the eastern end of the Australian Standard Gauge network although I do try to keep up to date on all parts of Australia as my interests tend to be national.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia

--For what it is worth Facebook must clearly be one of the worst social platforms to discuss anything in a reasonable and coherent fashion. It is simply not intuitive to discussions of any meaning. It is good for posting your holiday photos.
Bethungra


completely agree. anyone believing in the value of placing their business on facebook is cheapening their brand. you discuss a topic and then 1 day later you cannot find the thread.  hopeless.

let us hope the trip is a good one.  still no reply on why the overhead needs to be turned off?
  Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
It was a good day out.  Most of the stations along the Midland line were crowded with school kids and I've not seen so many train fans out since the S class steamer went to Dowerin in 2009.  The DA was about 11 minutes in front of the C class (which was going backwards) when it went through Perth Station.
  Wallip Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth
Hi Guys

Had the day off, so ducked down to Claisebrook Station to watch the train come through, along with half of the depot staff

Tooks a few pics, and a Gopro video
https://www.flickr.com/photos/128299436@N04/sets/72157648642313189/

From a bit of knowledge, and chatting to some of the guys, we surmised that the Overhead power outage would most likely have been for the new Citylink tunnel. The centenary in the tunnel is a new solid type fix to the tunnel roof, with less than 0.5m clearance to the roof of the rail vehicles. The loco's and carriages used today would not have the necessary earthing arrangements to safely pass this close to the live overheads.
That was our conclusion anyway.

Let me know if the video plays ok
  Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
I have uploaded a video of the train passing through Perth Station on Youtube.

Photos at the bottom of this page.



http://youtu.be/VC5V02ByiQA
  burt007 Chief Train Controller

Location: On the Road Somewhere...
Thank you to you all for following and photographing this special service. To see people lining the platforms, fence lines, people walking out of work and stopping traffic to wave the train on was just brilliant.

It brought back memories for some of us of past main line services like Flying Scotsman in 1988/89.

The power was switched off as a precaution as the gap between wires and the steel roof of the SA coaches was as close as 250mm in places I believe.

Sure true gunzels would love to have seen steam run this service but we all had to be realistic and practical abiding to today's regulations.

We are just so proud that it went so well paying tribute and saying thank you to our ancestors.....

Thank you also to all who are sharing your photos and videos on the internet.... brilliant to see Smile
  wxtre Chief Train Controller

I have uploaded a video of the train passing through Perth Station on Youtube.



http://youtu.be/VC5V02ByiQA



Thankyou for posting this footage. Interesting to see Perth Station, it is very modern.
  Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
Just out of interest, what are the safety regulations that prevent the use of steam on the suburban system?
  Hotham Valley Junior Train Controller

Just out of interest, what are the safety regulations that prevent the use of steam on the suburban system?
Kafoopsy

Dear Kafoopsy,

It's not so much a matter of "Safety Regulations" as it is a matter of Safety/Risk Management and the measures that would be required to address the many risks adequately and appropriately.

The reality is that modern suburban networks such as ours here in WA are no longer designed with Steam Operations considered.

I am not saying it couldn't be done but the Risk Assessment and Management processes would be a significant task and indeed may not be able to reduce some risks enough to provide for a rational 'yes'. Had it been a choice of 'steam train or no train' - it would have been 'no train' as there simply wasn't the time or resources to consider steam.

I can advise that the Risk Assessment and Management processes for the train that did run were very considerable and there was no guarantee it would all come together until about 10 days prior to the Event. Believe me it was a big effort by all involved to ensure everything was addressed to modern expectations and requirements.

Regards,
Ian Willis
  Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
Thanks for the reply.

I know nothing about the running of trains, but please allow me to complain just a little (more about modern thinking, rather than trains).
Safety and Risk management are terms that are being used more and more these days.  There is so much of it everywhere and nothing can be done without closely examining everything that could possibly go wrong.  This saps so much time and resources out of anything (as you mentioned), which prevents a lot of things happening that likely do not have much risk at all. It would appear to be a result of the litigious society we live in now. Ah well, I am very thankful to have seen the train that did run.

But just out of interest, aside from the new tunnel, what differences are there now compared to the last time steam ran on the PTA system (Pm706 in 2005, I think?)
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The burden of excessive risk management now seen in this country also adds considerably to the cost of doing anything here.

That was not mentioned.
  SantaFe5811 Station Staff

Location: Perth, Western Australia
G'day all,

Thanks to everyone at Hotham Valley, Aurizon & the PTA for making the day possible.   It was great fun to photograph something a little different on the suburban network.     Was great to meet some other railfans trackside.   The vast majority of people were curtious & well mannered.  

Here is a hi-definition video I have put together of the chase.  Starting at Kalamunda road at 0620 hrs, then footage in Midland, Woodbridge, Subiaco, South Beach, Wellard & Aurizon.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYz2CpFRIbk


Cheers,
Mike.
  Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
Great video, SantaFe5811!  Love the bit of the train going through Subiaco.  How long were you there before the train came?
The driver of the DA wasn't quite so free on the horn as the driver of the C Class!

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