Melbourne Cup 'Southern Aurora' 2014

 
  Michelle12 Moderator Photo Overlord

Location: Melbourne
HL203-FL220 enter Bunbury St tunnel with 6L66 Melbourne Cup 'Southern Aurora'. Tue 4/11/2014

Approaching the level crossing at Donnybrook

Kilmore East loop waiting to cross the 8630 VLine pass from Albury

In the darkness at Tallarook loop waiting for the Sydney bound XPT to pass

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  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
nice. do you have reference images (links) for buncam ?
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

So presumably being loco hauled and cars it ran on sg all the way into Southern Cross  ?
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
On previous occasions they have not gone into SCS as the train was too long. Passengers were loaded/unloaded at either North Shore or Broadmeadows.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Its a pity the pics are all of the locos instead of the cars that actually make up the train.
  vinelander Junior Train Controller

Can an "over length" train be split to fit SSR such as happens in Adelaide?
  LegendsofSteam Junior Train Controller

The ultimate test to how Southern Crosses' 2 SG Platform Faces handle a combined train of at least 25 vehicles will be shown in March next year.... That's all I'll say at the moment, as planning is still underway & this charter product hasn't been launched yet, but shall be very soon...
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The ultimate test to how Southern Crosses' 2 SG Platform Faces handle a combined train of at least 25 vehicles will be shown in March next year.... That's all I'll say at the moment, as planning is still underway & this charter product hasn't been launched yet, but shall be very soon...
LegendsofSteam


Yeah the double 'Aurora consist rumoured to be going to Sydney next March for the Mardi-Gras. But it's not the first time a double consist train has had to arrive or depart 'twice' from SCS or the old Spencer St station.

Mike.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
What is the maximum amount of carriages that can fit into Platform 2 at southern Cross? Also, how many carriages were in this years Melbourne Cup Southern Aurora special?
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
What is the maximum amount of carriages that can fit into Platform 2 at southern Cross? Also, how many carriages were in this years Melbourne Cup Southern Aurora special?
Gman_86

It appears that it was 11 cars plus locos, maximum length 294m.

ATRC Notice is at this link : http://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/TAA/Files/1030-2014.PDF?1417846268

There were 5 minute stops at Broadmeadows in each direction - presumably where the passengers got off / on.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
In previous years, this train has been hauled by what one might term "heritage" diesels. Is there a compelling reason why that did not happen this year?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
In previous years, this train has been hauled by what one might term "heritage" diesels. Is there a compelling reason why that did not happen this year?
Valvegear

All the other heritage diesels needed work. So the two 422's that basically are just used by the "RTM" (or whatever they are called are now) deputised.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Thanks for the info, speedemon08.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
It appears that it was 11 cars plus locos, maximum length 294m.

ATRC Notice is at this link : http://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/TAA/Files/1030-2014.PDF?1417846268

There were 5 minute stops at Broadmeadows in each direction - presumably where the passengers got off / on.
mikesyd

Well if that is the case it most certainly would have been able to fit in PL 2 at Southern Cross.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Platform 2 Southern Cross can handle  sg wise at least 17 sg cars and two locos .  Platform 2 is sg for its full length. Whilst platform 2 is a dg platform the bg track  diverges away from the platform before the platform finishes at the Northern end .   (As a former bg platform over its full length platform 2 could hold 19 cars and two locos on the old bg "The Overland".  

Pre 2006  with longer  IP trains in emergency circumstances the train was split at Tottenham with half going into the former platform 1 (up to 17 cars) and half into platform  2   (also up to 17 cars.)

With Southern Cross station today platform 1 has no loco run around and is dg dead end for maximum 7 cars .  Platform 2 sg should be OK for up to 17 sg cars .
  prwise Locomotive Driver

Platform 2 Southern Cross can handle  sg wise at least 17 sg cars and two locos .  Platform 2 is sg for its full length. Whilst platform 2 is a dg platform the bg track  diverges away from the platform before the platform finishes at the Northern end .   (As a former bg platform over its full length platform 2 could hold 19 cars and two locos on the old bg "The Overland".  

Pre 2006  with longer  IP trains in emergency circumstances the train was split at Tottenham with half going into the former platform 1 (up to 17 cars) and half into platform  2   (also up to 17 cars.)

With Southern Cross station today platform 1 has no loco run around and is dg dead end for maximum 7 cars .  Platform 2 sg should be OK for up to 17 sg cars .
kuldalai
Shame about Plat 1 being nobbled in length. Back in 70's and 80 's my grandmother caught SA from Sydney several times a year  to visit. Would fair make the hairs stand up on your back watching the consist crawl down the length of platform, a hiss of air, slight squeal of brakes and consist would come to a rest exactly as clock ticked over to 9 AM .  I thought it bloody awesome.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Shame about Plat 1 being nobbled in length. Back in 70's and 80 's my grandmother caught SA from Sydney several times a year  to visit. Would fair make the hairs stand up on your back watching the consist crawl down the length of platform, a hiss of air, slight squeal of brakes and consist would come to a rest exactly as clock ticked over to 9 AM .  I thought it bloody awesome.
"prwise"


There was a time in the 'past' when most Passenger Trains had priority, and the Aurora, Spirit, Overland etc were at the very top of that list in Victoria - and woe betide any employee who was deemed responsible for a delay. If they were delayed for any reason, other trains were 'put away' to enable them to regain time.

As a teenager attending a school beside the line in Benalla in the 1960's, I rarely got to see the Aurora or Spirit on their southbound journey - they had to be at least 2 hours and 1 hour late respectively to see them. I think I saw the Aurora once and the Spirit about 5 times over 5 years. The Aurora was timetabled for 3h45m from Albury to Melbourne, whilst the Spirit had 3h55m (3:45 on Saturday) with stops at Wangaratta and Benalla. The XPT is currently timetabled for 3h20m.

The highlight of the day was usually the UP Albury Express, which departed Benalla at 8:45am - and it was quite often overpowered due to loco balancing and thus could have 3-4 B-Class on the front - used to drown out the Headmaster's Morning Assembly drivel quite often.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
There was a time in the 'past' when most Passenger Trains had priority, and the Aurora, Spirit, Overland etc were at the very top of that list in Victoria - and woe betide any employee who was deemed responsible for a delay. If they were delayed for any reason, other trains were 'put away' to enable them to regain time.
"mikesyd"


Having said that, there was a lot of built in recovery time in the 'Aurora schedule and any driver worth his salt had no trouble gaining any lost time due to miscreant freights that may have been blocking the way.

I'm close to deciding on booking a roomette to Sydney for Mardi-Gras as it seems good value as well as experiencing such a monumental consist for a weekend and as a means of contributing towards the operators of such an enlightened mode of interstate travel.

Mike.
  exarmidale Train Controller

On previous occasions they have not gone into SCS as the train was too long. Passengers were loaded/unloaded at either North Shore or Broadmeadows.
mikesyd
Reason for not going into SCS is not length of train. Bacardi Express went in there 2008 & 2009. Melbourne Cup went in there in 2009.
2010 150th Anniversary of Melbourne Cup couldn't go past Albury due to PN Steel train derailment.

Logistically it is easier to detrain and board passengers at Broadmeadows.

Don't forget this year, for a period of time, SG passenger trains were unable to access SCS due to XPT derailment. XPT was terminating at Broadmeadows.

As far as "Ride for Pride" planned trip there seems to be a lot of not knowing what is going on at this stage so would suggest "Caveat Emptor" ie "Buyer Beware".

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