Bethungra Rail Spiral

 
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
I don't think Shane realises that Bethungra is on the Sydney-Melbourne line, not on a branch line.
"drwaddles"

Most unlike Shane to not realise the Bethungra spiral is part of the main line. We learn something every day. 8)

"The Vinelander"
Ummm no, I do know where it, even seen the signs for the town driving past.What I meant was if the line is bi-di, do they force the UP's onto the spiral. My thinking being if the lines are bi-di and you have the horses and no opposing traffic, the direct route would offer a small time saving, which maybe of use if running a bit late. Save 5min maybe?
"RTT_Rules"


Hi Shane,

I understand what you are getting at!

However this section of the Main South is simply the standard Up and Down setup.  There is no Bi-Di in place on the double track sections south of Menangle (except for certain moves at places like Gbn, Yass Junction, Coota and Junee).  Notwithstanding this, wrong line working can take place in special circumstances, such as accidents and trackwork.

Happy directionning,

John

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  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
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However this section of the Main South is simply the standard Up and Down setup. There is no Bi-Di in place on the double track sections south of Menangle (except for certain moves at places like Gbn, Yass Junction, Coota and Junee). Notwithstanding this, wrong line working can take place in special circumstances, such as accidents and trackwork.

Happy directionning,

John
"c3526blue"


Down line was used during the spiral remedial works. 

Just out of interest has anyone seen single line working on the up line. e.g. after this incident http://www.otsi.nsw.gov.au/rail/IR-Bethungra-final.pdf 
  yogibarnes Locomotive Fireman

A few days ago I camped overnight near Bethungra Spiral and enjoyed the sound of a few trains (but sadly, only a few) thundering (up) and whooshing (down).  Always an enjoyable experience.  Got some good video next morning before continuing my journey.
However, the purpose of this post:  rumour has it a couple of big crushers are arriving very soon to crush the huge rock stockpile resulting from the cuttings around the tunnels.  I would guess we're talking tens of thousands of tonnes.  
The best bit:  rumour also has it the resulting ballast will be loaded directly on to trains standing on the Up.  If so, that will be interesting to see, as well as (presumably) single line working on the Down.
Can anyone confirm these plans?
  Bethungra Train Controller

The best bit:  rumour also has it the resulting ballast will be loaded directly on to trains standing on the Up.  If so, that will be interesting to see, as well as (presumably) single line working on the Down.
Can anyone confirm these plans?
yogibarnes

This to me would make sense.  If the rock can easily be loaded onto a train then why not.  Makes the move a lot cheaper also.

This raises the question of where the rock is likely to be shipped?
  Tom66 Assistant Commissioner

Here is a better diagram showing the spiral and Bethungra yard in 1945 i think?
http://www.signaldiagramsandphotos.com/mywebpages/nsw/Southern/FRAMPTON(EXCL)toBETHUNGRA.htm
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
One of the best maps is National Mapping Junee 1:100,000.

A good way to win a bet is to ask someone, "Which is further by rail; Albury to Sydney or Sydney to Albury?"

The answer is, of course, Albury to Sydney.  
Albury to Sydney is 650.728 km; Sydney to Albury is 646.244 km. The difference is made up by two separate deviations.
Bethungra Spiral adds 2.816 km, and the Frampton Deviation adds 1.668 km, making the northbound line longer than the southbound by 4.484 km.
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

Yes, there is a highly detailled diagram of the Bethungra spiral at the Wagga Wagga Railway Heritage Museum
This is located at the Melbourne end of the station at Wagga Wagga open every Monday and Saturday from 11 am till 2 pm
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
One of the best maps is National Mapping Junee 1:100,000.

A good way to win a bet is to ask someone, "Which is further by rail; Albury to Sydney or Sydney to Albury?"

The answer is, of course, Albury to Sydney.
Albury to Sydney is 650.728 km; Sydney to Albury is 646.244 km. The difference is made up by two separate deviations.
Bethungra Spiral adds 2.816 km, and the Frampton Deviation adds 1.668 km, making the northbound line longer than the southbound by 4.484 km.
Valvegear

Just don't quote the distance as part of the bet. That distance is via Granville, and has probably moved a few metres as a result of the Redbank deviation too. Via Regents Park is shorter, as is via East Hills.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Just don't quote the distance as part of the bet. That distance is via Granville, and has probably moved a few metres as a result of the Redbank deviation too. Via Regents Park is shorter, as is via East Hills.
mikesyd

Good call.
  dl1554 Station Master

That'd be good in a way, because having gunzelled the spiral earlier this year, you really need a local to tell you how to find it from the road, and then it's barely navigable in a 2WD vehicle.  Bwana's trusty Falcon made it - just - and with a few bangs and clunks underneath from rocks and ruts, but I doubt anything smaller would get in.  I think it's unlikely to happen though - for the pleasure of a few gunzels, it'd cost a fair bit of money to improve the access in and build a platform.  There's also the small matter of having to cross a live running line (with not much visibility) on foot in order to see the good stuff.
TheLoadedDog™™

Access to the spiral is about 500m along a track from the highway. The turnoff can be worked out from Google Earth. Foolishly, earlier this year I negotiated this track in my 2wd Rodeo pick up and almost became bogged in the ballast at the track crossing. If it wasn't for the steep slope up to the track I think I would have been stuck. Pretty scarey knowing the down XPT was due in about 20 mins. After recovering I found it easy to traverse the area on foot, which is what I suggest.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

You should be prosecuted for being an idiot.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
.....................Foolishly, earlier this year I negotiated this track in my 2wd Rodeo pick up and almost became bogged in the ballast at the track crossing. If it wasn't for the steep slope up to the track I think I would have been stuck. Pretty scarey knowing the down XPT was due in about 20 mins. After recovering I found it easy to traverse the area on foot, which is what I suggest.
"dl1554"


reminds me of one individual that'll be paying for his stupidity for a year or two
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-12/4wd-dragged-by-freight-train-along-adelaide-darwin-track/5807360
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

That's my understanding.  There is a scale model of the Bethunga Spiral in the Junee town museum (in old hotel).  I think there is a plan to build a viewing platform near the highway so people can see it in operation.
Edith

Two well known spirals in North America have designated public lookouts - Tehachapi loop in California and the spiral tunnels at Kicking Horse Pass in British Columbia. I've been to both on a number of occasions. Both have always had regular tourists visiting when I've been there. At Kicking Horse Pass the lookout is right on the main trans continental highway, so you don't have to go out of your way to visit, but at Tehachapi loop you actually have to get off the main road yet whenever I've been there a steady stream of tourists have dropped in.
BW
  dl1554 Station Master

It is a typical bush level crossing with, I think, a stop sign and crossing sign and a good dirt road on either side. It is the loose gravel and ballast and the slope near the track that is the problem.
  NotebookMan Assistant Commissioner

Location: Wahroonga NSW
For a diagram of the signalling, this link is useful:

http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/ARTC/AR261.pdf

For signal route distances, this link is useful:

http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Signal%20locations/SLN250.htm

I'd go so far as to say this whole site is useful.

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