Former Premier announces airport rail line will be built

 
  Camster Chief Commissioner

Location: Geelong
If the fares are cheaper than Skybus you will more than likely get that patronage, however regardless of how good the rolling stock is, if people are happy to pay a premium the railway will never get those who drive to the airport and use a parking service such as Andrews Airport Parking that drops them right out the front of the terminal.
73LJWhiteSL

In an ideal world, the people who run skybus, would switch over to running the train (not the driving or course). The skybus is pretty cheap (post edited).

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  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The existing tube link to Heathrow has never had any special carriages and people have used and still use it without any issue at all with luggage (including in peak times).
simeyau

Heathrow Piccadilly line stock - The trains featured longer cars and larger door space than the previous ones, being designed for airport travellers with luggage.

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The critical issue is not just the rollingstock type but the need for cleanliness.

Paramount is the in time running as people really need to rely on on time performance to an airport.

Locating their rail line at or under the Melbourne terminal is also paramount is making the service attractive and accessible.

Wheelchair access is also important.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
[edit] Edited the title.....  Wink   [/edit]
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
The only problem I see between having specialized rolling stock, is it has to be captive to the line, and if there are failures there needs to be stock on hand to ensure the service can be run. The cost for specialized rolling stock I assume would increase the cost of the fare also.

It is true some people are happy to pay a premium for better service, but I would suggest a larger percentage of the travellers just want the cheapest price to get to the airport.

If the fares are cheaper than Skybus you will more than likely get that patronage, however regardless of how good the rolling stock is, if people are happy to pay a premium the railway will never get those who drive to the airport and use a parking service such as Andrews Airport Parking that drops them right out the front of the terminal.
73LJWhiteSL

That's all true, but what about incoming passengers, especially those from overseas?  They will have suitcases, backpacks, who knows what else, will be tired after a long flight, and they would probably not be inclined to hire a car at the airport if a train to the city is available.  On the question of fares, a premium for better service could work, but would the railway also be intended for people who work at the airport?  They would just be going to/from work, and would expect to pay the standard Metro/Myki fare.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
... On the question of fares, a premium for better service could work, but would the railway also be intended for people who work at the airport? They would just be going to/from work, and would expect to pay the standard Metro/Myki fare.
Lad_Porter

I understand that some airport rail lines have discounted fares for people who work at the airport.

With modern ticketing systems, airport employees have a special card that debts them a lesser amount, so it works a bit like a concession ticket does on the rest of a suburban railway system.

EDIT. When I think about the people I know who have worked at the airport, most of them lived nearby in places like Gladstone Park or Sunbury, Those who did live further away were in places like Gisbourne or Macedon. So I suspect there aren't that many airport workers who would be in a position to take the train anyway.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
In my opinion there is no reason why fares should be any different for the airport line. The airport line should be just integrated into the rest of the network. It is just a suburban train to the airport.

The fare increase on an airport line is considered a surcharge fee. The Reserve Bank of Australia are in the process of banning this practice. Ticketmaster, telstra, airlines, banks, taxis are being forced to remove these charges..

Also charging a premium to use the airport line is not really an incentive for passengers to use it. It defeats the purpose of building the rail-line if it is cheaper to use a bus, taxi or car to travel to the airport. The idea is to make public transport accessible and attractive for users. To take vehicles off the roads.
wxtre

Yet Sydney had a premium on the airport and used standard rollingstock. And airport passenger faced full trains as well.  Brisbane was the same re the surcharge, but at least it was the destination, and they often did use medium distance trains on the line with toilet and luggage space, thought this has changed with normal sets used a lot more.

They think they'll make more money to use the airport line, but in reality would make more if it was cost effective !

Anyhow it's all just pipedreaming for now. I believe the airport line is not on the horizon for Labor, so it is now all academic.  

Regards,
David Head
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Yet Sydney had a premium on the airport and used standard rollingstock. And airport passenger faced full trains as well. Brisbane was the same re the surcharge, but at least it was the destination, and they often did use medium distance trains on the line with toilet and luggage space, thought this has changed with normal sets used a lot more.

They think they'll make more money to use the airport line, but in reality would make more if it was cost effective !

Anyhow it's all just pipedreaming for now. I believe the airport line is not on the horizon for Labor, so it is now all academic.

Regards,
David Head
dthead

I am of the opinion that the only way Melbourne will get Rail to the Airport is by extending the 59 Tram up Matthews Drive.

Michael
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
The only problem I see between having specialized rolling stock, is it has to be captive to the line, and if there are failures there needs to be stock on hand to ensure the service can be run. The cost for specialized rolling stock I assume would increase the cost of the fare also.
73LJWhite

Poor thinking.  If it fails, failure should be contained to that route.

On the question of fares, a premium for better service could work, but would the railway also be intended for people who work at the airport?
Lad_Porter

Very few airport workers are on the route - miniscule in fact.

In my opinion there is no reason why fares should be any different for the airport line.
wxtre

Because the Victorian government shoud not be providing subsidised fare to interstate and international users (or locals for that matter).

The fare increase on an airport line is considered a surcharge fee. The Reserve Bank of Australia are in the process of banning this practice. Ticketmaster, telstra, airlines, banks, taxis are being forced to remove these charges..
wxtre

Lolwut - get a clue.
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
If and when the line is built to the Airport (eventually ) and it follows the route via Albion it has to cross the very deep Maribrynong valley . Do the plans for the line envisage a new bridge adjacent to the already existing  "Quarter Mile " bridge. The bridge is heavily used by long distance traffic as it is and I would not think has the capacity to carry the Airport traffic as well .
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
New tracks, same alignment. All there in the technical report - which curiously seems to have gone missing from the PTV website. I saved a copy here if you want to have a look.
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
New tracks, same alignment. All there in the technical report - which curiously seems to have gone missing from the PTV website. I saved a copy here if you want to have a look.
LancedDendrite
Thanks for that .
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

If and when the line is built to the Airport (eventually ) and it follows the route via Albion it has to cross the very deep Maribrynong valley . Do the plans for the line envisage a new bridge adjacent to the already existing  "Quarter Mile " bridge. The bridge is heavily used by long distance traffic as it is and I would not think has the capacity to carry the Airport traffic as well .
Crossover
Building heavy rail from the CBD is a waste of time in my opinion. Anyway it will not be built, as both parties insist that it cannot be built in isolation. It would better served by boosting the frequency and extending the operating times of local bus services in the North Western Suburbs and extending the No 59 tram from Airport West along Matthews Drive to the Airport.


Michael

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