Aurizon Loco Sale

 
  emdrules Train Controller

Location: Port Augusta-Centre Of The Universe
Earlier this year Aurizon had a large sale in WA of surplus locos. Does anyone know what the outcome of this sale was. There has been nothing on this site all year. Particularly interested in the captive ex South Australian locos: ALF24, the two NJ's, the 22's and ex BHP DE05. Also the WAGR l class. What has become of the tri-bogie narrow gauge transfer wagon Q1966.

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  emdrules Train Controller

Location: Port Augusta-Centre Of The Universe
Well not much can have been judging by the response.
  Radzaarty Junior Train Controller

I'm pretty sure both Nj's will be disappearing  over to south africa
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Whilst on this topic. How did it come to pass Aurizon had locomotives in Western Australia ?
  Radzaarty Junior Train Controller

They bought out ARG
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Yes. Of course.
  JNSymes Junior Train Controller

Whilst on this topic. How did it come to pass Aurizon had locomotives in Western Australia ?
freightgate


A couple at a time come over on the MP/PM services Razz
  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
Earlier this year Aurizon had a large sale in WA of surplus locos. Does anyone know what the outcome of this sale was. There has been nothing on this site all year. Particularly interested in the captive ex South Australian locos: ALF24, the two NJ's, the 22's and ex BHP DE05. Also the WAGR l class. What has become of the tri-bogie narrow gauge transfer wagon Q1966.
emdrules

alz3208(alf24) is stored at west Kalgoorlie it is not able to be moved on rail at this stage as it has a seized pinion and class 5 skidded wheels and AZQF1966 has been scrapped.
  loonga 1025 Beginner

alz3208(alf24) is stored at west Kalgoorlie it is not able to be moved on rail at this stage as it has a seized pinion and class 5 skidded wheels and AZQF1966 has been scrapped.
wn514
All locos that have been sold to south Africa will be leaving by road starting 3/1/15 to go to freo
  JNSymes Junior Train Controller

It looks like the move is a go. 42211 (iirc) looks like the first cab off the rank
  Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
2201 and 2203 made the trip to the port today.  They look quite clapped out.  Is the buyer likely to get them going again or are they just for parts?

When they crossed Stirling Bridge, the escorts blocked off the whole bridge and each truck went over in the middle of the four lanes, one at a time at a walking pace.  What would be the load limit for that bridge?

  wagrttn Locomotive Driver

Somebody has to be the one to ask the dumb question so it may as well be me. Why were the standard gauge locos towed east by rail out to Avon Yard so they could then be trucked back west all the way to Fremantle at great inconvenience and expense? Has something been done to them whch now prevents them from being towed by rail? Has a change of ownership altered their status, perhaps?
  8888 Chief Commissioner

Location: Shire of Mundaring
Somebody has to be the one to ask the dumb question so it may as well be me. Why were the standard gauge locos towed east by rail out to Avon Yard so they could then be trucked back west all the way to Fremantle at great inconvenience and expense? Has something been done to them whch now prevents them from being towed by rail? Has a change of ownership altered their status, perhaps?
wagrttn
The locos were trucked out of Forrestfield to Fremantle.  There are restrictions on how many locos can be taken across the rail bridge at Fremantle in one movement.

The four locos taken today were DC2215, 42211, 2201 and 2203.  They will go onto the ship Fairlift early tomorrow morning, and the trucks return to Forrestfield to start the haulage of narrow gauge units.
  Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
I saw the ship in the port.  It didn't look big enough to take all the locos in one go.

I might add that I saw the two 22 classes by chance today.  Passed them on Roe Highway on the way home from work!

  jmt Deputy Commissioner

I saw the ship in the port.  It didn't look big enough to take all the locos in one go.
Two layers, you can see the tween decks stacked at the rear, ready to position over the lower hold (where the locos will sit on the tanktops)

these are only miniscule lightweight Australian locos, so no point loading problems on the tweens (3.5 tonnes square meter), where they will probably use long lengths of timber dunnage to spread the load (similar method to the locos shipped ex Brisbane)

HOLD: DIMENSIONS LOWERHOLD   49,57 X 15,18 X 3,795 M
HOLD: DIMENSIONS TWEENDECK   71,48 X 15,18 X 7,585 M
Ref http://www.jumbomaritime.nl/site/documents/2720/E2%20Fairlift.pdf

Holds 15 meters wide, so locos will be positioned 4 wide on the tanktops. tweens possibly only 3 wide on account of the low point load, but tween area over 71 meters long, so fit 12 locos easily
  M636C Minister for Railways

Somebody has to be the one to ask the dumb question so it may as well be me. Why were the standard gauge locos towed east by rail out to Avon Yard so they could then be trucked back west all the way to Fremantle at great inconvenience and expense? Has something been done to them whch now prevents them from being towed by rail? Has a change of ownership altered their status, perhaps?
wagrttn
My suspicion (only) is that although the South Africans offered the L class for sale, they haven't actually bought them, and having had no interest from their customers, they passed on them so Aurizon have moved them to Avon to get them out of the way....

M636C
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

Apex Industrial are part of a diversified world wide group, and are corporate assets disposal specialists, rail is only one small facet of their overall business. Their Australian and South African operations appear to be run out of Mauritius. The island has a corporation tax of 15%, but tax credits for global business companies mean an effective rate of 3%. There is no capital gains tax and no withholding tax on dividends.

They are Aurizon's designated disposal contractor for locomotives, and manage all inquiries

I think that you will find that the locos listed on Apex's website, are on consignment from Aurizon

The prices shown are only ambient, basically the starting point for bargaining

Over the last couple of years Grindrod Rail have also moved their residence to Mauritius, away from the grasp of South Africa's fiscal fiend, and the various sticky fingered politicians trying to interfere in their business
  ALCO4401 Train Controller

Location: On the Branch waiting for a train order, west of Tarana
My suspicion (only) is that although the South Africans offered the L class for sale, they haven't actually bought them, and having had no interest from their customers, they passed on them so Aurizon have moved them to Avon to get them out of the way....

M636C
"M636C"


The 7 x L class currently in Avon yard have been stowed, due to being surplus. This is a result of the cessation of the Iron Ore contract earlier in 2014.
They would have not been offered for sale at that time, as they were all required for the traffic as Q's were running between Kal and Esperance, with ACA's/ACB's/ AC's on the Polaris. Now days the Q's are running between KWI & Kal, with the ACA/ACB/AC doing the hard slog between Esperance and the mines.
There are 2 DC/422 still active currently on the FF to Fremantle service (although spend more time in repair than on train), and there is a push to have them decommissioned currently.
Cheers
  ALCO4401 Train Controller

Location: On the Branch waiting for a train order, west of Tarana
Somebody has to be the one to ask the dumb question so it may as well be me. Why were the standard gauge locos towed east by rail out to Avon Yard so they could then be trucked back west all the way to Fremantle at great inconvenience and expense? Has something been done to them whch now prevents them from being towed by rail? Has a change of ownership altered their status, perhaps?
"wagrttn"


No units in Avon are involved in this current disposal. the 7 L's are currently stowed due to being surplus to traffic, and the lack of space in F/field for long term storage.

Reasons for road haulage are.
1) All of the units SG & NG are no longer registered for traffic. It is far cheaper to road haul them than to have them registered.
2) There is a weight restriction on the Fremantle bridge.
3) the PTA would not budge on its position to allow more than 3 loco's (1 operational / 2 towed) at a time across the bridge.
4) many of the units also have not way of generating either air or vacuum to allow their movement by rail in any case.

Cheers
  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
Somebody has to be the one to ask the dumb question so it may as well be me. Why were the standard gauge locos towed east by rail out to Avon Yard so they could then be trucked back west all the way to Fremantle at great inconvenience and expense? Has something been done to them whch now prevents them from being towed by rail? Has a change of ownership altered their status, perhaps?
"wagrttn"

most of the locos have been in storage that long that they are no longer registered/accredited to go by rail and as such had to go by road. the standard gauge locos that were towed to avon are still there and are not going anywhere as they have not been sold.
  wagrttn Locomotive Driver

Thanks everyone for your replies. I guess it was a dumb question after all. I incorrectly assumed that the recent movement of L class out of Forrestfield was associated the sale and was perplexed as to why the locomotives couldn't be railed to the port. As they say about those who make assumptions...
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

Does anyone have photos or the numbers for the locos moved to Fremantle on the 7th and the 8th?
  8888 Chief Commissioner

Location: Shire of Mundaring
Does anyone have photos or the numbers for the locos moved to Fremantle on the 7th and the 8th?
jmt
7/1.   DAZ1902, 1903, 1904; AD1520, 1521; DD2355, 2356; D1562.
8/1.   DAZ1905, 1906; NJ1602; A1202.

That completes the movement of all 23 locos, and they were all aboard the ship by this afternoon.
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

Thanks 888
  SKVT Junior Train Controller

Location: Iapetus
Thanks everyone for your replies. I guess it was a dumb question after all. I incorrectly assumed that the recent movement of L class out of Forrestfield was associated the sale and was perplexed as to why the locomotives couldn't be railed to the port. As they say about those who make assumptions...
"wagrttn"


No a dumb question at all. The only dumbness in the whole affair is that of our politicians ( who appear to be willing to bend over forwards to accommodate every sordid whim of the rent seeking trucking industry!) who have allowed the network to degenerate into, quite frankly, what has become a dysfunctional mess every bit as bad as that powerfully criticised in Christian Wolmars perceptive book broken Rails.

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