Tasmanian Railways Q&A

 
  sam6778 Locomotive Driver

Location: Rockingham, WA
Hi there,
I was in the TTMS shop a few years ago & noted a book on the Aplsey Branch Line.
Unfortunately I didn't purchase it at the time.  I was wondering if someone would be able to let me know the details of it eg title, author etc.

As a side question, what books would you guys consider a "Must" for a collection of Tasmanian Railway Literature?
Any help would be greatly appreciated as I am endevouring to build up mine.

Many thanks
Sam

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  billyboy Station Staff

Location: Footscray Victoria & Ulverstone Tasmania
Hi there,
I was in the TTMS shop a few years ago & noted a book on the Aplsey Branch Line.
Unfortunately I didn't purchase it at the time. I was wondering if someone would be able to let me know the details of it eg title, author etc.

As a side question, what books would you guys consider a "Must" for a collection of Tasmanian Railway Literature?
Any help would be greatly appreciated as I am endevouring to build up mine.

Many thanks
Sam
sam6778

For history, A Century of Tasmanian Railways 1871 - 1971 by HJW Stokes  and Tasmanian Railways 1871 - 1996 by Greg Cooper and Grant Goss are my favourites. You'll find second hand copies around. Don River Railway and Tasmanian Transport Museum have books covering their collections. They have interesting information about the engines but also touch on the history of the railway system.  They may have new copies still available.
Bill
  Peter-Hem Locomotive Driver

Location: Tassie
Time for a new question Tassie.
My question is about boilers: Were the belpaire boilers of the Ab Class, the E Class, the CC Class and the CCS Class identical; and therefore were the boilers interchangeable between the locomotive types?
  BP4417 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Launceston, Tasmania
Time for a new question Tassie.
My question is about boilers: Were the belpaire boilers of the Ab Class, the E Class, the CC Class and the CCS Class identical; and therefore were the boilers interchangeable between the locomotive types?
Peter-Hem

Ab boiler is longer and saturated.
CC boiler is saturated.
CCS boiler is superheated
The CC and CCS boilers are basically the same overall dimensions.

E boiler is larger overall.

The back heads and throat plates for the Ab, CC, CCS & T used the same flanging former.
It may have been possible to use the same flanging former to make the E back head and throat plates.
A boiler for one of the EBR Dubs locos fitted to "Murchinson" was built at the TGR workshops, so it is possible that the same flanging former was used.
The Don River Railway used to own the C loco and the Ab to CCS flanging formers but they sold them for scrap a few years ago. This is what happens when you have people with little knowledge of things Engineering and see such items as a few dollars of scrap. A similar sized block of steel was at that time costed at $20000.00. Scrap value of the flanging formers perhaps less than $150.00.
It also shows that all rail organisations should have a robust Asset Acquisition and Disposal policy.
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

Not sure if this is the right place, but I will ask anyway! Does anyone know if Tasrail is going to be hauling the bauxite out of the Conara area for the mine recently given the go ahead? I think it is called Bald Hill mine (with another called Fingal Rail just up the Fingal line about three kilometres from Conara), and they mentioned rail haulage through to Bell Bay port for export. Various notes around the place say that the mine should be producing by early next year, but not being from the area, I have no idea what it looks like on the ground.

Cheers,
Matt.
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
I wanted to know if any loading is still being delivered to Melba Flats, now that there is no delivery of Mt Lyell concentrates. A couple of years ago I believe that some ores from about Zeehan  were delivered. Is this enough to justify an occasional train south of Roseberry ?
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
No. Atm there are only two trains to Primrose daily.
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
Not sure if this is the right place, but I will ask anyway! Does anyone know if Tasrail is going to be hauling the bauxite out of the Conara area for the mine recently given the go ahead? I think it is called Bald Hill mine (with another called Fingal Rail just up the Fingal line about three kilometres from Conara), and they mentioned rail haulage through to Bell Bay port for export. Various notes around the place say that the mine should be producing by early next year, but not being from the area, I have no idea what it looks like on the ground.

Cheers,
Matt.
Bulbous
Yes.
  Peter-Hem Locomotive Driver

Location: Tassie
Did any Sentinel/Cammell Steam Railcar boilers survive after being removed?
Does anyone know of any photos taken or sketches made of the SP Class boilers?
Peter-Hem



I rediscovered a small note about the fate of Sentinel/Cammell Steam Railcar boilers.

It states: "BOILER NOS. 179. 180. 186-190. taken from S.P. 3-9 respectively, SOLD to Messrs. T. Carr & Co. Sydney, 17-1-1952, for total amount of £850"

I'm curious to know what happened to them then and Im still curious to know if any have survived.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
Some good Q&As would be about when the last passenger trains ran to various places and why they stopped? For instance I understand that the last passenger train was the Tasman Limited in 1978. I think that the last EBR mixed train may have lasted longer.

It may also be good to have some Q&As about the private railways on the west coast.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Some good Q&As would be about when the last passenger trains ran to various places and why they stopped? For instance I understand that the last passenger train was the Tasman Limited in 1978. I think that the last EBR mixed train may have lasted longer.

It may also be good to have some Q&As about the private railways on the west coast.
GeoffreyHansen
My understanding

There was a railcar that did a fortnightly shopping trip into Hobart from southern line for a period after the Limited stopped.

EBR Roseberry mixed lasted into the 80's and quietly disappeared.
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
My understanding

There was a railcar that did a fortnightly shopping trip into Hobart from southern line for a period after the Limited stopped.

EBR Roseberry mixed lasted into the 80's and quietly disappeared.
"RTT_Rules"


The Parattah railcar service ceased on 21/7/1978. The Tasman Limited ceased on 28/7/1978. So, going by those dates, the railcar service actually pre-deceased the "Tasman".

The EBR "mixed" into the 1980's technically continued after the disposal of EBR's last carriages in Nov. 1983, as passenger accommodation in the guards van (which I took advantage of on one occasion in the late 1980's.). Obviously that ended with the elimination of guards on the E.B.R.

Immediately prior to 1983, I am not sure how frequently the 'ABL's trailed the ore trains. I can't imagine it would have been every trip - only when sufficient bookings were to hand?
  EBRG16 Station Master

Some photos
http://s1059.photobucket.com/user/dcam13/media/DSC02361.jpg.html
http://s1059.photobucket.com/user/dcam13/media/DSC02360.jpg.html
http://s1059.photobucket.com/user/dcam13/media/DSC02358.jpg.html



This is an interesting little collection of Photos. Seeing all those SP Class carriages gives me an idea for a new question.
Did any Sentinel/Cammell Steam Railcar boilers survive after being removed?
Does anyone know of any photos taken or sketches made of the SP Class boilers?
Peter-Hem
I have three photos of the larger Woolnough boilers (as fitted to SP3-9) which I will place on my Flickr page tonight (as I am new to Railpage, I haven't worked out how to put them on here yet...).  I also have many SP class drawings so I'll hunt out the folder to see what that shows.
  EBRG16 Station Master

My understanding

There was a railcar that did a fortnightly shopping trip into Hobart from southern line for a period after the Limited stopped.

EBR Roseberry mixed lasted into the 80's and quietly disappeared.


The Parattah railcar service ceased on 21/7/1978. The Tasman Limited ceased on 28/7/1978. So, going by those dates, the railcar service actually pre-deceased the "Tasman".

The EBR "mixed" into the 1980's technically continued after the disposal of EBR's last carriages in Nov. 1983, as passenger accommodation in the guards van (which I took advantage of on one occasion in the late 1980's.). Obviously that ended with the elimination of guards on the E.B.R.

Immediately prior to 1983, I am not sure how frequently the 'ABL's trailed the ore trains. I can't imagine it would have been every trip - only when sufficient bookings were to hand?
12CSVT
The ABL's never trailed the modern (1969 on) concentrates trains due to the couplings mis-match.  With the older 'Z' wagons, the ABL's were put into guards van service after the "West Coaster" ended in Jan 1964.  They lasted on general goods trains until Guards vans were eliminated.
  EBRG16 Station Master

Time for a new question Tassie.
My question is about boilers: Were the belpaire boilers of the Ab Class, the E Class, the CC Class and the CCS Class identical; and therefore were the boilers interchangeable between the locomotive types?

Ab boiler is longer and saturated.
CC boiler is saturated.
CCS boiler is superheated
The CC and CCS boilers are basically the same overall dimensions.

E boiler is larger overall.

The back heads and throat plates for the Ab, CC, CCS & T used the same flanging former.
It may have been possible to use the same flanging former to make the E back head and throat plates.
A boiler for one of the EBR Dubs locos fitted to "Murchinson" was built at the TGR workshops, so it is possible that the same flanging former was used.
The Don River Railway used to own the C loco and the Ab to CCS flanging formers but they sold them for scrap a few years ago. This is what happens when you have people with little knowledge of things Engineering and see such items as a few dollars of scrap. A similar sized block of steel was at that time costed at $20000.00. Scrap value of the flanging formers perhaps less than $150.00.
It also shows that all rail organisations should have a robust Asset Acquisition and Disposal policy.
BP4417
Did they also dispose of the spare cylinder sets for the 'H' and 'M/MA' locos as well?
  EBRG16 Station Master

Did any Sentinel/Cammell Steam Railcar boilers survive after being removed?
Does anyone know of any photos taken or sketches made of the SP Class boilers?



I rediscovered a small note about the fate of Sentinel/Cammell Steam Railcar boilers.

It states: "BOILER NOS. 179. 180. 186-190. taken from S.P. 3-9 respectively, SOLD to Messrs. T. Carr & Co. Sydney, 17-1-1952, for total amount of £850"

I'm curious to know what happened to them then and Im still curious to know if any have survived.
Peter-Hem
Hi Peter:  Where did you find this little gem, please?
  BP4417 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Launceston, Tasmania
Did any Sentinel/Cammell Steam Railcar boilers survive after being removed?
Does anyone know of any photos taken or sketches made of the SP Class boilers?
I rediscovered a small note about the fate of Sentinel/Cammell Steam Railcar boilers.

It states: "BOILER NOS. 179. 180. 186-190. taken from S.P. 3-9 respectively, SOLD to Messrs. T. Carr & Co. Sydney, 17-1-1952, for total amount of £850"

I'm curious to know what happened to them then and Im still curious to know if any have survived.
Peter-Hem
SP Boilers.
174 - SP 1 Maker The Sentinal Wagon Works Limited. Shewsbury England. Working Pressure 300 PSI. Milage 416071. Maximum Miles in one Month - 5087.
175 - SP 2 Maker The Sentinal Wagon Works Limited. Shewsbury England. Working Pressure 300 PSI. Milage 382117.
Maximum Miles in one Month - 4951.
179 - SP 3 Maker Wallsend Sliping & Engineering Co. England. Working Pressure 300 PSI. Mileage 363990.
Maximum Miles in one Month - 4824.
180 - SP 4 Maker Wallsend Sliping & Engineering Co. England. Working Pressure 300 PSI. Mileage 389993.
Maximum Miles in one Month - 5036.
187 - SP 6 Maker The Sentinal Wagon Works Limited. Shewsbury England. Working Pressure335 PSI. Milage 162911.
Maximum Miles in one Month - 5081. This Boiler to SP 7.
189 - SP 8 Maker Wallsend Sliping & Engineering Co. England. Working Pressure 335 PSI. Mileage 202763.
Maximum Miles in one Month - 4827.

I don't know whether it has been mentioned but there are distant views of a SP Boiler in one of Greg Coopers books during the construction of the Diesel Shop.
I have an SP Engine Maintenance Manual.
  EBRG16 Station Master

Did any Sentinel/Cammell Steam Railcar boilers survive after being removed?
Does anyone know of any photos taken or sketches made of the SP Class boilers?
I rediscovered a small note about the fate of Sentinel/Cammell Steam Railcar boilers.

It states: "BOILER NOS. 179. 180. 186-190. taken from S.P. 3-9 respectively, SOLD to Messrs. T. Carr & Co. Sydney, 17-1-1952, for total amount of £850"

I'm curious to know what happened to them then and Im still curious to know if any have survived.
SP Boilers.
174 - SP 1 Maker The Sentinal Wagon Works Limited. Shewsbury England. Working Pressure 300 PSI. Milage 416071. Maximum Miles in one Month - 5087.
175 - SP 2 Maker The Sentinal Wagon Works Limited. Shewsbury England. Working Pressure 300 PSI. Milage 382117.
Maximum Miles in one Month - 4951.
179 - SP 3 Maker Wallsend Sliping & Engineering Co. England. Working Pressure 300 PSI. Mileage 363990.
Maximum Miles in one Month - 4824.
180 - SP 4 Maker Wallsend Sliping & Engineering Co. England. Working Pressure 300 PSI. Mileage 389993.
Maximum Miles in one Month - 5036.
187 - SP 6 Maker The Sentinal Wagon Works Limited. Shewsbury England. Working Pressure335 PSI. Milage 162911.
Maximum Miles in one Month - 5081. This Boiler to SP 7.
189 - SP 8 Maker Wallsend Sliping & Engineering Co. England. Working Pressure 335 PSI. Mileage 202763.
Maximum Miles in one Month - 4827.

I don't know whether it has been mentioned but there are distant views of a SP Boiler in one of Greg Coopers books during the construction of the Diesel Shop.
I have an SP Engine Maintenance Manual.
BP4417
Sadly nothing about SP's 5, 7 or 9...?   The maintenance manual sounds very interesting, Dennis!
  BP4417 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Launceston, Tasmania
Did any Sentinel/Cammell Steam Railcar boilers survive after being removed?
Does anyone know of any photos taken or sketches made of the SP Class boilers?
I rediscovered a small note about the fate of Sentinel/Cammell Steam Railcar boilers.

It states: "BOILER NOS. 179. 180. 186-190. taken from S.P. 3-9 respectively, SOLD to Messrs. T. Carr & Co. Sydney, 17-1-1952, for total amount of £850"

I'm curious to know what happened to them then and Im still curious to know if any have survived.
SP Boilers.
174 - SP 1 Maker The Sentinal Wagon Works Limited. Shewsbury England. Working Pressure 300 PSI. Milage 416071. Maximum Miles in one Month - 5087.
175 - SP 2 Maker The Sentinal Wagon Works Limited. Shewsbury England. Working Pressure 300 PSI. Milage 382117.
Maximum Miles in one Month - 4951.
179 - SP 3 Maker Wallsend Sliping & Engineering Co. England. Working Pressure 300 PSI. Mileage 363990.
Maximum Miles in one Month - 4824.
180 - SP 4 Maker Wallsend Sliping & Engineering Co. England. Working Pressure 300 PSI. Mileage 389993.
Maximum Miles in one Month - 5036.
187 - SP 6 Maker The Sentinal Wagon Works Limited. Shewsbury England. Working Pressure335 PSI. Milage 162911.
Maximum Miles in one Month - 5081. This Boiler to SP 7.
189 - SP 8 Maker Wallsend Sliping & Engineering Co. England. Working Pressure 335 PSI. Mileage 202763.
Maximum Miles in one Month - 4827.

I don't know whether it has been mentioned but there are distant views of a SP Boiler in one of Greg Coopers books during the construction of the Diesel Shop.
I have an SP Engine Maintenance Manual.
Sadly nothing about SP's 5, 7 or 9...?   The maintenance manual sounds very interesting, Dennis!
EBRG16
I have digitised it, also have digitised a very poorly formatted Drivers and Firemans Instructions, can't get it to fit the pages properly and then to get it to print it back to back in booklet form.
After getting the maintenance manual I am convinced there was a spare crated crankshaft for a SP engine in the Launceston Roundhouse lock up.
  Wallip Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth
Hi guys.
Just in Hobart for a few days whilst the wife is at a conference, so have some time to myself on Friday and Saturday.
Does anything run in or out during the day, or is it all night services?

Cheers
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
Hi guys.
Just in Hobart for a few days whilst the wife is at a conference, so have some time to myself on Friday and Saturday.
Does anything run in or out during the day, or is it all night services?

Cheers
Wallip
Nothing runs in Hobart anymore. You have to drive out to Brighton to see any rail action.
  Wallip Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth
Sure, thanks.
But is there any particular time I might see something more than an empty yard?
  X32 Beginner

Location: Hobart
Hi there,

I noticed a hi rail vehicle at the Sunderland Street crossing in Moonah this afternoon. Can anyone tell me if this was weed spraying or perhaps stripping out more of the infrastructure?
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
I believe it was to check the actual suburban line is in tack etc.
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
No, weed spraying. At last - the lines down south are a mess.

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