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  MtBeenak Train Controller

This is a sentence.  It makes a point.  It is short, contains punctuation and is reasonably intelligible.  Perhaps if more people communicated clearly, concisely and in line with the basic rules of the English language, they would receive replies to their e-mails.  They might also receive sympathy to their rants.

People; please read and re-read your message before you post.  Use short, simple sentences.  Use punctuation.  If you do not understand the basic construct of the English language, reconsider your use of the internet.

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  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Many have tried to educate some of the posters on forums in general. Some people take exception to being told that their grammar is lacking and they fail to see that by using an incorrect word, the whole meaning of their sentence can be changed.

I've given up! I either try to interpret what the poster is trying to say....or I ignore the whole post.

It has been suggested to me that I need to be a little more understanding; some folks weren't awake during their English lessons so that means I have to make allowances!!! Go figure!

The other thing that peeves me equally is those people who seem to have some aversion to typing their own name on a forum. My name is Bill Roach, and I'm not ashamed of it. However, I generally sign off just as "Roachie" for the sake of simplicity. Some will argue that I am foolish for typing my name on here....but I have yet to ascertain why that should be the case.

If I had to be critical of my own posts, it would be that some of my sentences are a bit long. I do re-read my posts before I hit the "Submit" button in an effort to see if there is some way I can simplify what I said.

Roachie
  MtBeenak Train Controller

While it is noble that you post your name, there is no requirement for any user to post their identity on this forum.  There are people in the community who choose or are required by their employer to have a limited or no on-line presence.  

I do not hide behind my anonymity.  I have not posted anything abusive or singled out any user.  I have simply requested that others pay a little attention to their correspondence and use the English language.  Is that too much to ask?
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
My take on the use of English in Railpage is that if a poster can not be bothered using correct, or near enough to correct, English then I cannot be bothered reading their post.
Using basic English spelling, punctuation, and grammar is not rocket science.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
My take on the use of English in Railpage is that if a poster can not be bothered using correct, or near enough to correct, English then I cannot be bothered reading their post.
xxxxlbear

Agreed, and that goes double for anyone using textspeak.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
Agreed, and that goes double for anyone using textspeak.
TheBlacksmith
lol srsly? wtf!

Seriously though, pull your collective thumbs out. It's safe to assume that in this age most, if not all of us have had a basic education. Put some effort into your posts.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
One of our more interesting posters who now shows quite good written language skills started here a few years ago with poor spelling and grammar and offered negative remarks to those who told him to improve. Someone even did a post consisting of several lines of full stops and commas and told him they were spares for the use of. This person demonstrates that those we might initially call lazy could well be just late bloomers. It is not me and I will not reveal who. In fact some here can think of a few of our posters who started out this way and have developed into useful posters who provide factual content.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
I am more dismayed by poorly researched posts than I am dismayed by poorly written posts. Some of the less grammatically correct Railpage posts contain factually correct material of use to researchers once we decode the grammar. On the other hand the factual accuracy of some very grammatically correct thus easily read posts could be greatly improved by the use of Google, Trove or similar search tools. As Michael Greenhill said; put some effort into your posts.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I am more dismayed by poorly researched posts than I am dismayed by poorly written posts.
petan

Ain't that the truth.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
there are folk who do find the keyboard quite intimidating.
3l diesel

There is no compulsion on anyone to use one...
  TheLoadedDog The Ghost of George Stephenson

Slow down a bit turbos....

Bear in mind that just as some people have speech defects which only the mean-spirited would give a spray to the individual about, there are some who actually DO have impediments when it comes to writing. By this, I take an example from a local 4wd forum where a "spelling nazi" was giving another a poster a bit of a serve. The original poster, in no uncertain terms, explained his displeasure at being lectured to and further explained that he suffered a form of dyslexia which made the use of a keyboard quite a significant chore. Maybe spare a thought here if the post spelling and grammar are not up to scratch. Laziness is no excuse, but just sometimes, there are folk who do find the keyboard quite intimidating.
3l diesel

"Ohai.  i lyk teh tranez their mad kewl kthxbai"....

...IS NOT DYSLEXIA.  It's rudeness.

This has been a TLD™ drive-by.  Exit stage right.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Welcome back, however briefly.
  Johnmc Moderator

Location: Cloncurry, Queensland
Who was that masked man?
  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gen X purgatory/urban Joh-land
Zorro the gunzel ...??
  MtBeenak Train Controller

I think this accurately summarises this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Incorrect grammar already....

there is no requirement for any user to post their identity on this forum.  
"Mt Beenak"

"user" is a singular; "their identity" is plural.

if a poster can not be bothered using correct, or near enough to correct, English then I cannot be bothered reading their post.
"xxxxlbear"

"a poster" is singular; "their post" is plural.

This is about the most common grammatical error one will encounter.

The other classic number faux pas is "one out of every five people are likely to catch flu"
One in five is!
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
I stayed away from this forum for a couple of years because I was sick of the insults and personal abuse directed towards posters. I returned when I was informed that the chief protagonist had been banned and others had been given a warning and told they were being closely observed. So congrats to the admins, things are much nicer here now. Cool

When I post something that I'm pretty conifent about, I still give myself the escape clause of saying something like, 'I suspect', or 'from memory' just in case I am not quite right. But in an earlier life I was a profesional fact finder (I got 'Googled out of a job', once the internet matured), so I'm very reticent about claiming something to be utterly accurate without extensive research.

I can live with sloppy grammar, I blame the modern educational system rather then it's poor victims. The only thing that really upsets me is the political sledging that is rampant on this site (including by one of the admins). I can understand that members of a political party may get a bit excited during election campaigns and I can sort of forgive that. But when there is no election on the horizon why do our resident political warriors have to "sledge" members of the other "team", even those who have been out of office for decades? To me that's petulant, nasty and rather childish.
  MtBeenak Train Controller

Incorrect grammar already....

there is no requirement for any user to post their identity on this forum.  

"user" is a singular; "their identity" is plural.
Valvegear
Since the gender revolution we must say "...any user to post his or her identity...".  The proper pronoun for 'his or her' would be 'their'.  Do you have a more suitable construct for this sentence?
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

I stayed away from this forum for a couple of years because I was sick of the insults and personal abuse directed towards posters. I returned when I was informed that the chief protagonist had been banned and others had been given a warning and told they were being closely observed. So congrats to the admins, things are much nicer here now. Cool

When I post something that I'm pretty conifent about, I still give myself the escape clause of saying something like, 'I suspect', or 'from memory' just in case I am not quite right. But in an earlier life I was a profesional fact finder (I got 'Googled out of a job', once the internet matured), so I'm very reticent about claiming something to be utterly accurate without extensive research.

I can live with sloppy grammar, I blame the modern educational system rather then it's poor victims. The only thing that really upsets me is the political sledging that is rampant on this site (including by one of the admins). I can understand that members of a political party may get a bit excited during election campaigns and I can sort of forgive that. But when there is no election on the horizon why do our resident political warriors have to "sledge" members of the other "team", even those who have been out of office for decades? To me that's petulant, nasty and rather childish.
Bogong
Compared to the absolute hammering that the Political parties are taking on our NSW thread especially concerning the closure of the main line in Newcastle our pollies in Victoria has got of rather lightly. Most of the time it is warranted when it comes to Public Transport. Clearly in this state, Public Transport Infrastructure is not where it should be and both parties have been fiddling around while Rome burns so to speak! Kudos to Premier Andrews and Minister Allan, whilst being a strident critic they has at least a plan and is acting on it. Something that has not been done really in the last 2 or so decades from both parties. Whether he gets the cash from the Feds as regards to the Melbourne Metro remains to be seen. At least he is getting rid of the level crossings. When a political party gets praises for what little they have done for Public Transport it deserves a rebuttal. When a Government replaces Melbourne Metro with another project based on a whim from a minister outside of the Transport Ministry, with no timeline and no plan and I pretty poor excuse as to why this is so, it deserves all the criticism it gets. Likewise the Bracks/Brumby Goverment handling of the Albury Corridor was very sloppy to say the least. Turning it over to a Federal Agency (ARTC) who ended up stumping up the majority of the cash to rehabilitate the line, is total rubbish. Yes I cannnot stand when people mention J Kennett who has not been in Government for 16 Years and at the time inherited a country rail network in a very poor state. However criticism of recent Govts is not being partisan at all.

Michael
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
Incorrect grammar already....

there is no requirement for any user to post their identity on this forum.  

"user" is a singular; "their identity" is plural.
Since the gender revolution we must say "...any user to post his or her identity...".  The proper pronoun for 'his or her' would be 'their'.  Do you have a more suitable construct for this sentence?
MtBeenak
My Shorter Oxford says that use of "their" as the singular possessive for unspecified gender has been around for about 500 years (and its editors have since also adopted that use).  Perhaps Valvegear is a bit older that we might otherwise think.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The proper pronoun for 'his or her' would be 'their'.
"Mt Beenak"
His or her means one or the other.  His and her means both, and merits the use of "their".

My Shorter Oxford says that use of "their" as the singular possessive for unspecified gender has been around for about 500 years (and its editors have since also adopted that use).  Perhaps Valvegear is a bit older that we might otherwise think.
"donttellmywife"
Now that is interesting - I have to say that I was going on what I was taught by the best English teacher I ever had -  Mr Laurence Treacy at Melbourne High School. He insisted on "his or her". And, yes, Valvegear is a 76 year-old pedant who loves the English language.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Valvegear is a 76 year-old pedant who loves the English language.
Valvegear

But not in excess of 500yo as dtmw was suggesting!
(Myself a 63 yo pedant who also loves the English language)

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