PN Coal derailment Kankool

 
  mikado5910 Chief Train Controller

Location: Kurri Kurri NSW
NBN Television News Facebook page reporting Pacific National Coal train reported derailed around Kankool near Willow Tree. Around 19 wagons off the track. No further details as yet.

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  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Does anyone know if the train was loaded or unloaded?
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
Unloaded. Looks like it was in the cutting between the loop and the crossing.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Any ideas as the time to
Clear the line and what locos were on the lead ?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
http://www.nbnnews.com.au/index.php/2015/02/15/empty-coal-train-derails/

  mikado5910 Chief Train Controller
  jdennis Junior Train Controller

According to that article the 'XPTs' between Sydney and Moree/Armidale were affected. Let's once again ignore the blatant mistake regarding the train type that seems to infect all media outlets everywhere when an Xplorer is concerned...

According to the TrainLink website the southbound services terminated at Tamworth (Armidale section) and Werris Creek (Moree section) and the northbound at Muswellbrook. I assume those sets will have sat around until this afternoon when they would have returned to where they started the day.

No details yet on what will happen tomorrow or on subsequent days.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Jdennis, I've tried contacting the media before, about the train type, but they believe that EVERY train is an XPT.

I wonder why the Armidale section terminated at Tamworth, & not Werris Creek. Must have been one of the shortest Xplorer trips!
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Jdennis, I've tried contacting the media before, about the train type, but they believe that EVERY train is an XPT.

I wonder why the Armidale section terminated at Tamworth, & not Werris Creek. Must have been one of the shortest Xplorer trips!
Newcastle Express
I would hazard a guess 2 reasons

1) Access to stabling facilities
2) Access charges by PN
  jdennis Junior Train Controller

I would hazard a guess 2 reasons

1) Access to stabling facilities
2) Access charges by PN
seb2351
It could also have been about availability of buses, as Tamworth would have bus companies able to provide coaches from there whereas terminating at Werris Creek would require the buses and the train to both travel to Werris Creek anyway and for the pax to be transferred there instead.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Further detail here
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2884053/18-wagon-coal-train-derails-near-willow-tree/?cs=305
mikado5910

The Newcastle Herald is reporting 3 engines are off the track.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
It could also have been about availability of buses, as Tamworth would have bus companies able to provide coaches from there whereas terminating at Werris Creek would require the buses and the train to both travel to Werris Creek anyway and for the pax to be transferred there instead.
jdennis
An unlikely probability given that historically that Werris Creek was a terminating location previously for Countrylink prior to a new interface agreement being signed between PN and management of Countrylink in 2013.

The existing contingency arrangements for such an event have further been entered into that coaches/buses are sourced from the preferred supplier list, and appropriately compensated for the journey to/from Werris Creek.

Though, I am open to correction if the existing contractual terms have been significantly altered since I last had access to that information.
  jdennis Junior Train Controller

An unlikely probability given that historically that Werris Creek was a terminating location previously for Countrylink prior to a new interface agreement being signed between PN and management of Countrylink in 2013.

The existing contingency arrangements for such an event have further been entered into that coaches/buses are sourced from the preferred supplier list, and appropriately compensated for the journey to/from Werris Creek.

Though, I am open to correction if the existing contractual terms have been significantly altered since I last had access to that information.
seb2351
Wow, thanks for all that info. I wasn't aware there were so many arrangements in place for the potential situation of bustitution.

The sort of arrangement you outline seems a little inflexible for something that happens on a purely unplanned basis (being the need for buses to replace trains). I'm not questioning the information at all but one would have thought that a case-by-case basis would be a more appropriate way to determine the arrangements for moving pax when such an issue arises.
  NSWGR8022 Chief Train Controller

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
The derailment is more extensive than I thought when I read the initial story here.



Were any locomotives damaged?
  M636C Minister for Railways

Assuming the photo in the NBN website is of this derailment, the wagons are Chinese built, ECP equipped NHDH type. That would suggest the locomotives were TT class, possibly running with a 92 class fitted for ECP operation.

It doesn't look an inexpensive occurrence.

M636C
  Factory_Fill Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne VIC






  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
Thank you for sharing @FactoryFill
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Jdennis, I've tried contacting the media before, about the train type, but they believe that EVERY train is an XPT.

I wonder why the Armidale section terminated at Tamworth, & not Werris Creek. Must have been one of the shortest Xplorer trips!
Newcastle Express
I really think that general Joe Public doesn't give a hoot about whether the train is an XPT, Xplorer, Endeavour or a V/Locity! Its a train and most general Joe's can relate to an XPT being a passenger train.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Looks like a few write-off's in that pile of scrap
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I really think that general Joe Public doesn't give a hoot about whether the train is an XPT, Xplorer, Endeavour or a V/Locity! Its a train and most general Joe's can relate to an XPT being a passenger train.
LowndesJ515
Exactly. As long as the public and any intending passengers are notified, what does it matter what the call it? They could just say "passenger services are disrupted between X and Y". Only a railway enthusiast would care what the media reports on. News articles traditionally feature stock photos of trains that have nothing to do with where they are. An article on ABC news today reported on Aurizon profits, then showed us some wonderful stock footage of QR EMUs. Do the shareholders care? Nope!

As to the derailment, no locos off, just wagons. I've read elsewhere that it appears as if a set of catchpoints have opened mid-train, but I'm sure it will all come out in the investigation.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Exactly. As long as the public and any intending passengers are notified, what does it matter what the call it? They could just say "passenger services are disrupted between X and Y". Only a railway enthusiast would care what the media reports on. News articles traditionally feature stock photos of trains that have nothing to do with where they are. An article on ABC news today reported on Aurizon profits, then showed us some wonderful stock footage of QR EMUs. Do the shareholders care? Nope!

As to the derailment, no locos off, just wagons. I've read elsewhere that it appears as if a set of catchpoints have opened mid-train, but I'm sure it will all come out in the investigation.
Raichase
We'd better inform all the shareholders! The world will end... How dare they Laughing
  2LaGrange Train Controller

Locos were TTs with wagons ECP which meant it stopped quicker than a straight air train would have, I hear Speed not involved train was doing below 50km/hr, not sure about catch points being involved more likely some sort of wagon bogie failure or a broken rail under rear portion of train.

As others have said will all come out in investigation report.

I also hear line not expected to be open for traffic until Friday Evening.
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
I would hazard a guess 2 reasons

1) Access to stabling facilities
2) Access charges by PN
seb2351
Access charges by PN for what?
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Access charges by PN for what?
donttellmywife
Their yard, I assume.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Locos were TTs with wagons ECP which meant it stopped quicker than a straight air train would have, I hear Speed not involved train was doing below 50km/hr, not sure about catch points being involved more likely some sort of wagon bogie failure or a broken rail under rear portion of train.

As others have said will all come out in investigation report.

I also hear line not expected to be open for traffic until Friday Evening.
2LaGrange
Flies in the face of an article that I read the other day - http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2884053/18-wagon-coal-train-derails-near-willow-tree/- this one in fact, where it says down the bottom that the train was doing about 100/km an hour, I thought it was a bit suss, there's no way in hell a Coalie can reach 100km an hour in that section

Kind Regards

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