Gippsland Councillors call for rail service improvements

 

News article: Gippsland Councillors call for Vline rail service capacity improvements

At a 10th of March 2015 meeting of the Baw Baw council, a general business motion has moved calling for Baw Baw Council to despatch a letter to the Victorian public transport minister Jacinta Allan.

  WindyK Junior Train Controller

Location: St Leonards, NSW
At the 10 March Baw Baw council meeting, Cr Power successfully moved a general business motion called for Baw Baw to send a letter to Victorian public transport minister Jacinta Allan.
"Gippsland Councillors call for rail service improvements"


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The transport minister having recently taken on the job would be receiving a lot of requests across the state for increased or upgrades services.  I hardly believe there would be many for the downgrading of services.

What is the real answer to overcrowding?  It is probably not possible to introduce additional services as pathways are congested once you reach the metro network.  Could more capacity on the existing trains be provided?

06:37, 07:20 and 07:36 ex Traralgon are overcrowded.  Are these loco hauled services or are these Sprinter or Vlocity services?

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  railblogger Chief Commissioner

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The transport minister having recently taken on the job would be receiving a lot of requests across the state for increased or upgrades services.  I hardly believe there would be many for the downgrading of services.

What is the real answer to overcrowding?  It is probably not possible to introduce additional services as pathways are congested once you reach the metro network.  Could more capacity on the existing trains be provided?

06:37, 07:20 and 07:36 ex Traralgon are overcrowded.  Are these loco hauled services or are these Sprinter or Vlocity services?
WindyK
It's possible to add capacity, but you'd need to have enough rollingstock.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It's possible to add capacity, but you'd need to have enough rollingstock.
railblogger

Does this translate to vline rail coaches?  if so then we need to start thinking about a new form of long distance train set.  Locomotive hauled with services onboard.  This is exactly what the Baird Government in NSW is now working toward.

Vlocities are for short haul services.  Bairnsdale and Giippsland generally need better capacity and long distance configurations.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Does this translate to vline rail coaches?  if so then we need to start thinking about a new form of long distance train set.  Locomotive hauled with services onboard.  This is exactly what the Baird Government in NSW is now working toward.

Vlocities are for short haul services.  Bairnsdale and Giippsland generally need better capacity and long distance configurations.
bevans
We could do that to get the VLocities off the Echuca, Maryborough and Ararat lines, but ultimately I think we would need to buy more short-haul rollingstock in conjunction with long-haul.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
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The transport minister having recently taken on the job would be receiving a lot of requests across the state for increased or upgrades services.  I hardly believe there would be many for the downgrading of services.

What is the real answer to overcrowding?  It is probably not possible to introduce additional services as pathways are congested once you reach the metro network.  Could more capacity on the existing trains be provided?

06:37, 07:20 and 07:36 ex Traralgon are overcrowded.  Are these loco hauled services or are these Sprinter or Vlocity services?
WindyK
All single 3 car V/locity runs.

The other one noted was the 16:47 departure or something like that (the flagship). That is 2x 2VL, which will become 2x 3VL in the future when the intermediate cars are added to the 2VL's
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
All single 3 car V/locity runs.

The other one noted was the 16:47 departure or something like that (the flagship). That is 2x 2VL, which will become 2x 3VL in the future when the intermediate cars are added to the 2VL's
speedemon08

If the majority of services are already 3 car VLocity sets then would Vline need to go to a 6 car set?  Is there an in-between configuration?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

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If the majority of services are already 3 car VLocity sets then would Vline need to go to a 6 car set?  Is there an in-between configuration?
bevans
Not currently. When the current VLocity order is complete, all sets will be 3 cars.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Not currently. When the current VLocity order is complete, all sets will be 3 cars.
railblogger

Doing the math.

If the sets are three car currently and lack capacity adding another three cars to make the six cars might to overkill as in answering the question from @bevans there is no middle ground or 4 car set.
  712M Chief Commissioner

Actually, there is the opetion to add an extra train to spread the loads out. EG: 1610 3VL, 1640 3VL, 1710 3VL and 1740 loco-hauled. otherwise you have one train with excessive capacity and the train before overcrowded.

V/Line should also consider stopping Gippsland trains at Berwick instead of Pakenham in peak hours to help releive overcrowding (however the crowding tends to occur further east than Pakenham these days).
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
Actually, there is the opetion to add an extra train to spread the loads out. EG: 1610 3VL, 1640 3VL, 1710 3VL and 1740 loco-hauled. otherwise you have one train with excessive capacity and the train before overcrowded.

V/Line should also consider stopping Gippsland trains at Berwick instead of Pakenham in peak hours to help releive overcrowding (however the crowding tends to occur further east than Pakenham these days).
712M
It would be better if they electrify the train line to Traralgon and then run as the following:
Traralgon stopping all stations to Dandenong and then Clayton - Caulfield - Richmond
-Flinder st and then Southern Cross (run by V/Line).
V/Line should get a free run all the way to Dandenong and then it would be less likely to running behind a metro train because there be less of them and the new service can have greater frequent of services compare to the service it has to day.

----------------------------------------------------------new service ---- current service
Traralgon-------------------------------------------------4:36:00 AM_____4:36:00 AM
Pakenham Station--------------------------------------5:49:00 AM.......5:49:00 AM
Cardinia Road Station..........................................5:54:00 AM
Officer Station-------------------------------------------5:56:00 AM
Beaconsfield Station------------------------------------6:01:00 AM
Berwick Station------------------------------------------6:03:00 AM
Narre Warren Station-----------------------------------6:07:00 AM
Hallam Station-------------------------------------------6:11:00 AM
Dandenong Station-------------------------------------6:16:00 AM--------6:06:00 AM
Clayton---------------------------------------------------6:29:00 AM---------6:19:00 AM
Caulfield---------------------------------------------------6:44:00 AM --------6:31:00 AM
Richmond--------------------------------------------6:56:00 AM--------------6:39:00 AM
Flinders st-------------------------------------------7:00:00 AM--------------6:43:00 AM
southern cross---------------------------------------7:05:00 AM-------------6:58:00 AM
At most it would take 7 mins longer to the current service- but V/Line can run more services from Traralgon
I have been on the Traralgon in peak hour and get stack behind a metro train all the way to Pakenham Station.

Even better - when the metro Tunnel is build run via Melbourne Metro tunnel to Bendigo (electrify the Bendigo Line).
I have been on the Traralgon in peak hour and get stack behind a metro train all the way to Pakenham Station.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

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Does anyone have an idea of how many of these people get on/off at Pakenham? Perhaps it might be a good idea to make Pakenham a restricted stop?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
I have been on the Traralgon in peak hour and get stack behind a metro train all the way to Pakenham Station.
melbtrip
Simpler option.....  3rd and/or 4th track at Berwick around the outside of the platform to get around the metro trains to act as a passing loop. Enough room there to do it.

And why not add the tracks on what was the original alignment through Springvale. You can fit them in there easily.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
Simpler option.....  3rd and/or 4th track at Berwick around the outside of the platform to get around the metro trains to act as a passing loop. Enough room there to do it.

And why not add the tracks on what was the original alignment through Springvale. You can fit them in there easily.
speedemon08
Also you can have different stopping patterns between Pakenham and Dandenong stations.

The government should not be trying to use one train set of services two different types of commuters - one being the inter suburban areas (close to the city) and the outer suburban/country areas.
This why they should have a two tier system in place for the line:
1st tier: a frequent service that stops all stations from the city to Dandenong - a turn up and go service.
2nd tier: from the city stops at limited stops on the way to Dandenong and in my view stopping all stations - with a possibility of express services in peak time.


The benefits of this, the 1st tier train set can run more services at the peak time because it takes less time to complete the trip and return to the city compare if it when all the way to Pakenham.

In fact the 1st tier train would save about 1 hour to complete a around trip if only when to Dandenong.

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