Metro and union face off over 'unsafe' X'Trapolis train on Frankston line

 

News article: Metro and union face off over 'unsafe' X'Trapolis train on Frankston line

The union that represents Metro train drivers has sought to take the company to the industrial umpire over its continued operation of a single X'Trapolis train – modified so it will not outpace the boom gates at level crossings – on the Frankston line.

  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
The union that represents Metro train drivers has sought to take the company to the industrial umpire over its continued operation of a single X'Trapolis train – modified so it will not outpace the boom gates at level crossings – on the Frankston line.

The train has run up and down the line twice a day since October but has been re-engineered so it cannot accelerate at unsafe speeds. The X'Trapolis is the newest and fastest train type in Metro's fleet but only some of Melbourne's rail lines are equipped for it. At full acceleration, there is a risk that it could beat the signals that lower boom gates on the Frankston line's 30 level crossings.
Metro and union face off over 'unsafe' X'Trapolis train on Frankston line

What is the problem?  The train has been changed to prevent the speed up so it is now operating within engineering limits.

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  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
The Frankston X'Trap is an easy target for the union, especially given the modifications made to ensure that it 'performs safely'. Given the current lack of political impetus to keep it running on the Frankston line, I am quite surprised that Metro continues running it.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

The Frankston X'Trap is an easy target for the union, especially given the modifications made to ensure that it 'performs safely'. Given the current lack of political impetus to keep it running on the Frankston line, I am quite surprised that Metro continues running it.
LancedDendrite
I am not surprised there is a lack of Interest. The deployment of these base model Xtraps were nothing but a publicity stunt by the last Government.

Michael
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

The article is, not surprisingly, missing some facts.
Yes, the acceleration issue has been addressed by making it run like a 30 year old train. Some call that progress.
But there other problems at level crossings not related to acceleration which Metro is currently ignoring.
  9034 Train Controller

The article is, not surprisingly, missing some facts.
Yes, the acceleration issue has been addressed by making it run like a 30 year old train. Some call that progress.
But there other problems at level crossings not related to acceleration which Metro is currently ignoring.
Madjikthise
You could enlighten us on this other problem.

Currently this looks like the key issue

"The union and Metro are set to enter the bargaining period for a new enterprise agreement and face tense negotiations. The pay deal for Metro's 5000 staff expires on June 30 and the union wants an 18 per cent pay rise over three years."

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  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Just get a member to run it through the buffers, worked last time.
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

You could enlighten us on this other problem.

Currently this looks like the key issue

"The union and Metro are set to enter the bargaining period for a new enterprise agreement and face tense negotiations. The pay deal for Metro's 5000 staff expires on June 30 and the union wants an 18 per cent pay rise over three years."

Welcome to Union run Victoria.
9034
Should there be a failure of the level crossing activation circuit before the signal, a train needs to creep forward to trip a secondary circuit to activate the level crossing. This is a problem with the x-trap as it has to go too far forward and actually encroaches on the level crossing before the booms activate. This does not happen with other trains.

But yeah sure, let's blame it on unions and drivers.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Could someone please explain why this is a problem on the Frankston line, but not (apparently) on other lines with level crossings where Xtraps run?
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

On other lines there is enough room to creep forward just past the signal in order to activate the level crossing.
Some level crossings on the Frankston line, and the corresponding signal which protects them, are ridiculously close to where the train needs to stop at the platform.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
On other lines there is enough room to creep forward just past the signal in order to activate the level crossing.
Some level crossings on the Frankston line, and the corresponding signal which protects them, are ridiculously close to where the train needs to stop at the platform.
Madjikthise
Thanks for that, but I'm still not clear on it.  Do you mean when the train is approaching a platform and has to go over a crossing, or when it is leaving the platform and has to go over a crossing?

Examples would be good:  (a) what happens at a problem crossing on the Frankston line, and (b) what happens at a similar crossing on another line?
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
A wild guess would be a scenario like Seaford. Thisphoto
shows how close the signal is to the crossing. To trip past this signal puts you on the crossing, and presumably the actual crossing track is in advance of the signal, so if that signal is held at stop, you trip past it, you're well and truly occupying the crossing before the standard warning time has been given. Carrum & Bonbeach look to be similar.
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
18% over three years?  Who are they kidding?

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