Riverina cottons booming and it's all going by road

 
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
Interesting piece on ABC Landline.

SEAN MURPHY: There'll be close to 100,000 tonnes of cotton lint produced in the Murrumbidgee Valley this year. That's about 430,000 bales being trucked by road to the Port of Melbourne. It equates to 2400 truckloads and there could be the same number again carrying cottonseed. The potential to double the region's cotton production is helping fuel a new debate about the best way to transport around $30 billion worth of freight from two of the nation's biggest inland food bowls. ...

DAVID FARLEY: The most practical part about it, it actually exists. We have a transport corridor. You don't have to go and buy new land, acquire new land, get easements, etc. This corridor exists. It's just a matter of updating the corridor and making it used. Then you'll find that inside it, whether it's the stone fruit industries at Shepparton, whether it's the rice mills, the flour mills, the abattoirs, the timber mills or the value-added food companies - is there is enormous amount of freight here already. There's in excess of 190,000-odd container units at the moment moving out.

SEAN MURPHY: The Riverina's three cotton gins all say they would welcome cheaper, more efficient transport. Southern cotton used to transport up to 50,000 tonnes of cottonseed by rail. But the cost and reliability didn't stack up.

KATE O'CALLAGHAN: If that all changed, we certainly would be looking at changing back to rail, certainly for our cottonseed. For the cotton, we don't control that because we're just the toll gin, we're just ginning for the other merchants. But as a toll gin maybe down the future we could put in more warehouses and pack directly on-site into containers and ship out of containers. Nothing's impossible. "

http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2015/s4237056.htm

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Good volumes.  Where exactly is the Murrumbidgee Valley?  Is this Griffith?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Yet the wine makers have no problem despatching two trains a day to Melbourne and Sydney ports.

Methinks these guys need to employ better logistics consultants.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Good volumes.  Where exactly is the Murrumbidgee Valley?  Is this Griffith?
bevans
Narrandera

The ABC Landline report was talking about the prospect of running trains South of Narrandera to Melbourne, and happing the Federal Government would re route the Inland Railway via Narrandera.

But as we all know the Southern route has been set as via Albury and the bulk of track upgrades has been funded and completed.


So a very strong business plan would have to be put together to standardise and upgrade the Seymour - Tocumwal (also Toolamba - Deniliquin) line and totally rebuild the Tocumwal - Narrandera railway.

Forget about a direct link between Narrandera/Griffith  and Forbes.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Would it make sense to BG north of Tocumwal?  For those volumes it could make sense.

I recall a proposal to have an intermodal terminal opened at Narrandera.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Would it make sense to BG north of Tocumwal?  For those volumes it could make sense.

I recall a proposal to have an intermodal terminal opened at Narrandera.
JoppaJunction
Probably. Probably better to do it as DG.

The focus is currently the Inland primary route, secondary routes will get a low priority unless the private sector wants to take it on.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Bit early yet on detail but there are some emerging serious developments underway regarding increasing use of rail out of Griffith with new players and partnerships.  We're not talking about fly by night players but serious operators and transport logistics guys forming alliances that really should have taken place when rail privatisation first took place.

On a similar vein the new arrangements at Melbourne  Port in association with SCT and DP World are another sign that finally more attention is being paid to the port/rail interface which has been a huge obstacle to increasing rails market share.  Just last week PN shunted the SPC siding at Moroopna near Shepparton which is an encouraging sign of that company returning to increased viability.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Bit early yet on detail but there are some emerging serious developments underway regarding increasing use of rail out of Griffith with new players and partnerships.  We're not talking about fly by night players but serious operators and transport logistics guys forming alliances that really should have taken place when rail privatisation first took place.

On a similar vein the new arrangements at Melbourne  Port in association with SCT and DP World are another sign that finally more attention is being paid to the port/rail interface which has been a huge obstacle to increasing rails market share.  Just last week PN shunted the SPC siding at Moroopna near Shepparton which is an encouraging sign of that company returning to increased viability.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
This article also has some relevance.
https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/cottoning-on-to-inland-rail
  DL_Daily Locomotive Driver

Good volumes.  Where exactly is the Murrumbidgee Valley?  Is this Griffith?
bevans
This might be Darlington Point or more specifically Whelans Bend on the Whitton to Darlington point road heading south from whitton where the road bends sharply to the west is a new-ish cotton gin



They could truck it all via Darlington Point to Griffiths Patricks rail depot via containers for shipping on CM* rail freight to melbourne !!
  jcsaws63 Locomotive Driver

Location: 200Mts from the 535k post
There is a new gin at Hay as well as whitton, both on the same line, back through yanco on to narrandera to junee, from there it could go to Sydney or Melbourne and than its up to port costs. Or container to Oaklands. Hay could truck to deniliquin. I think there is or will be a gin there as well.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
This might be Darlington Point or more specifically Whelans Bend on the Whitton to Darlington point road heading south from whitton where the road bends sharply to the west is a new-ish cotton gin



They could truck it all via Darlington Point to Griffiths Patricks rail depot via containers for shipping on CM* rail freight to melbourne !!
"DL_Daily"


That CM train could already be at capacity as it is quite large as seen on Bunbury Cam.

Might require a second train with extra capacity for the MIA?
  DL_Daily Locomotive Driver



That CM train could already be at capacity as it is quite large as seen on Bunbury Cam.

Might require a second train with extra capacity for the MIA?
x31
CM's are rated to 1200m length on the CRN but they definitely aren't that when leaving Griffith and collecting more wagons at leeton so if they aren't attaching more wagons at junee then they could "possibly" extend the load locally.

If they can't extend the length locally then maybe but highly unlikely a 2nd smaller train could be used.

Apparently the cotton yield this year is much higher but I don't know any real figures. Certainly driving between home and jerilderie this week there is a huge stockpile of unprocessed cotton bails wrapped in yellow plastic compared to other years.
  DL_Daily Locomotive Driver

There is a new gin at Hay as well as whitton, both on the same line, back through yanco on to narrandera to junee, from there it could go to Sydney or Melbourne and than its up to port costs. Or container to Oaklands. Hay could truck to deniliquin. I think there is or will be a gin there as well.
jcsaws63
No serviceable line between Hay and whitton, line ripped up at Hay station for several hundred metres, line booked out of service since early 2000's trees growing up through sleepers and extremely poor condition.

Last time any 48's were along that line they were restricted to less than 10 KPH I think they might have even been light engine no grainies !!

So any cotton coming from Hay will be trucked via Hay to Deniliquin then onto Melbourne.
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
With the demise of most branch line loco's the future is bleak for old lines that were never upgraded to 60kg rail, I would like like to see plenty of grain lines upgraded in towns that are regularly drought affected as to run run water trains to the bush, just a thought.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
No serviceable line between Hay and whitton, line ripped up at Hay station for several hundred metres, line booked out of service since early 2000's trees growing up through sleepers and extremely poor condition.

Last time any 48's were along that line they were restricted to less than 10 KPH I think they might have even been light engine no grainies !!

So any cotton coming from Hay will be trucked via Hay to Deniliquin then onto Melbourne.
DL_Daily

It is time a intermodal terminal was built at Denni or Wakool?

A lot of grain is going by road from Wakool and points near to Melbourne via truck. Vic track has shown no interest in providing rail access to Wakool and the large receival sites with over 1m tonnes coming out of that area this year.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Do you even know what the Deni rice traffic travels in to get to the Port of Melbourne, JoppaJunction?
  DL_Daily Locomotive Driver

Checked out 5CM3 that left Leeton today (25-6-2015) with NR?? DL47 NR?? and it had 35 container flats 75-80% loaded on it which is about the norm for these trains so overall length might be around 750m for this consist.

CM's are scheduled as a 1400-1500m length not sure how much is added at Junee but quite likely still room to add many more containers on those services for cotton containers.

I guess it all depends on tonnage hauled per consist or other factors I have no idea about.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Checked out 5CM3 that left Leeton today (25-6-2015) with NR?? DL47 NR?? and it had 35 container flats 75-80% loaded on it which is about the norm for these trains so overall length might be around 750m for this consist.

CM's are scheduled as a 1400-1500m length not sure how much is added at Junee but quite likely still room to add many more containers on those services for cotton containers.

I guess it all depends on tonnage hauled per consist or other factors I have no idea about.
"DL_Daily"


Loading is also added at Marrar and Bomens southbound.

The train does pass through Narrandera so why can't some of this cotton be attached at that location?
  DL_Daily Locomotive Driver

To get to narrandera from the whitton cotton gin via leeton is about 65k and no loading facilities at narrandera (forklift)

To get to Narrandera via the sturt highway is 80k and no loading facilities at narrandera (forklift)

To get to griffith from the gin is 47k and facilities to load at PN or Patricks depot (not sure who owns it) which has two forklifts for loading/unloading

Of course "unrealistically" they could rebuild the yanco - whitton line at considerable cost to only be used for 4 months of the year Wink

Griffith makes sense unless they ever get the PN depot relocated to wumbulgal which is already marked as a line side loading point for Australian Grain Link Au Grain Link

To get to Wumbulgal is 28K from the whitton gin but no infrastructure there for direct handling of containers such as concrete aprons and forklifts unless of course PN or patricks depot is actually moved there.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
To get to narrandera [...]
DL_Daily
Well said, thanks for including distances - puts it into perspective for us city dwellers!
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
To get to narrandera from the whitton cotton gin via leeton is about 65k and no loading facilities at narrandera (forklift)

To get to Narrandera via the sturt highway is 80k and no loading facilities at narrandera (forklift)

"DL_Daily"


Very informative post.  

Has Whitton Cotton considered working with a rail operator to make ready 22 kms of line between Yanco Lunction and Whitton?  Not a long distance for some track machines,.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW

Has Whitton Cotton considered working with a rail operator to make ready 22 kms of line between Yanco Lunction and Whitton?  Not a long distance for some track machines,.
x31
I doubt it would matter if they'd considered it or not, the cost alone would likely be prohibitive.
  a6et Minister for Railways

I doubt it would matter if they'd considered it or not, the cost alone would likely be prohibitive.
Raichase
Agree, as the line is virtually a branch from Yanco, & the grain business even to Wilbriggie was not considered enough to keep the line open, it would be unlikely to be seen viable unless Graincorp opened the line again in conjuction with others in the area such as the cotton & wine industry, but that is not likely either with the Wumbulgal siding coming on line, distances again play parts.

Having said that the Wilbriggie silo complex does serve a wide area to the south of the area along with the grain & rice handling facilities at Whitton
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
I doubt it would matter if they'd considered it or not, the cost alone would likely be prohibitive.
"Raichase"


Why?  It is not a vast distance.

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