Petition urges reinstatement of sleeper carriages on Inlander rail service in north Queensland

 

News article: Petition urges reinstatement of sleeper carriages on Inlander rail service in north Queensland

A parliamentary petition to reinstate sleeper carriages on a north Queensland train service has gained more than 1,300 signatures.

  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
"The carriages that have been removed from service, we think they could be refurbished and we think it's a worthwhile investment," he said.
"It's a commitment to country Queensland by the rail authority and ultimately it's the State Government that can fund that."
Rail Back on Track campaigner Robert Dow said the service would be phased out if people did not use it.
"Sitting up in a seat for 20, 24 hours, particularly as you're getting on a bit in years, makes it very difficult to travel," he said.
Petition urges reinstatement of sleeper carriages on Inlander rail service in north Queensland

20 to 24 hours in longer than the longest long haul airline flight.  Stupid to have removed them in the first place.  Must have been designed to remove the sleepers to run the service down in usually Australian 1950's management style.

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  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
20 to 24 hours in longer than the longest long haul airline flight.  Stupid to have removed them in the first place.  Must have been designed to remove the sleepers to run the service down in usually Australian 1950's management style.
JoppaJunction
I suspect Queensland Rail would prefer it if they didn't have to run the Inlander and the Westlander. Make these services even more unusable and less and less people will use them. "Oh, look these services aren't being patronised, we can save a bucket load of money by cancelling them"...
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The horse perchance has bolted.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Sad very sad. The inlander as west lander are two long distance rail services where overnight sleepers make sense.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Sad very sad. The inlander as west lander are two long distance rail services where overnight sleepers make sense.
freightgate

This is my point.  If you were going to take that very long journey which is an overnight train then a sleeper would be the most comfortable especially if you were a senior citizen.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
20 to 24 hours in longer than the longest long haul airline flight.  Stupid to have removed them in the first place.  Must have been designed to remove the sleepers to run the service down in usually Australian 1950's management style.
JoppaJunction
No Joppa, removed because they were removed from service due to end of life and the same cars were removed from SOTO as well as was the cancellation of the Sunlander.

There was no identified plan to continue the services post these cars being removed by the former ALP govt and it was expected by most the trains would cease with the Sunlander as had been rumored for years and a number of people have posted in this and other forums that supposedly have inside info have said same. Former LNP govt announced the continued running as seater only services, which if I recall was a bit of a surprise but really not expected to see the trains continue longterm, especially the Westie which (taxing gunzel hat off) is probably verging on taxpayer waste.

Based on the former passenger numbers and longterm trends and at a cost of $1-2m per car if bought new, I don't think too many would see this as a good investment for taxpayers.

The Westie could be re-timetabled to make a day train and negate the need to buy sleepers, especially if truncated at Miles or Dalby and may actually do better in numbers and could operate on 3 days a week in and out. I and others have previously raised the option of DMU which should save some time, but where to get a suitable DMU as new is prohibitive? The Australind would probably make an excellent choice if it fits, however I don't think WA is ready to retire it any time soon!

Inlander is a tough case and the journey length is nearly 24hr, however I don't think it has the tight clearance issues of the Westie route and other options for cheaper 2nd hand sleeper stock maybe an option. If you wanted to make a longterm commitment I'd say buy half a CTT to be compatible with other stock used in Qld, but again expensive.

The ICE sets maybe a ideal solution (assuming no clearance issues, currently there are spares and basically and oddball unloved in the south. Remove their self traction components to make them all trailers. 150kW Gen-sets could be placed under the floor to supply auxilary power, redo do the seats and modify one car to a dinner car. Gut the drivers cab and remove the internal walls to the drivers cab to provide the riders with along track views. Only need two spare power pairs, plus maybe one trailer spare, one car will need to be modified to DAA standards, but that's not super huge.

No, I don't think QR hate running the landers, afterall they have buggerall left to worry about and less trains equals less work. ts not a financial issue as they back charge all costs to the Govt.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
This is my point.  If you were going to take that very long journey which is an overnight train then a sleeper would be the most comfortable especially if you were a senior citizen.
JoppaJunction
The issues is a few dozen mostly discounted tickets do not equal a train, especially one that travels a few hundred km over track that its the main user.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
This is my point.  If you were going to take that very long journey which is an overnight train then a sleeper would be the most comfortable especially if you were a senior citizen.
The issues is a few dozen mostly discounted tickets do not equal a train, especially one that travels a few hundred km over track that its the main user.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Only slightly off-topic.

Last night I undertook the longest train journey I've ever done in total darkness, that is the sun had set when I caught the SotO from Roma St at 18:10, arriving 6:30 at Duaringa; advance purchase fare of $130.00.

I asked at the TravelTrain office at Central station if there were any spare roomettes for the journey....no, any spare twinettes, no twinettes any more, they are just 2 roomettes with the dividing wall knocked down.

But there was one available.

Cost, 1st class sleeper X 2 approx $650.00, one way ExclamationShocked

Needless to say I then sat up in the very comfortable sitting car for the 12.5 hour journey with three other pax and made myself right at home after 4 miniatures of white wine and two (small) main courses and 6 pieces of fruit cake washed down by a truly excellent proper cup of coffee. I've never spent $65.00 in one meal sitting on a train before..Laughing These days there is now a servery in the galley wall of the dining car to purchase refreshments from. There is a locked door along the dining car corridor to keep the great unwashed from visiting the first class dining car. All refreshments including alcohol are to be consumed at seat.

Train arrived right on time at Duaringa at 6:30am and I stepped off the train into the freezing and frosty morning air.

The saloon sitting car seats on the SotO are almost as comfy as the old AJ cars of the Overland, except with less seat pitch. The saloon cars ride very well, are very quiet and the temperature on-board was perfect.

I'll be here (Duaringa) for the next week till I return to Brisbane in a roomette berth.

Mike.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Only slightly off-topic.

Last night I undertook the longest train journey I've ever done in total darkness, that is the sun had set when I caught the SotO from Roma St at 18:10, arriving 6:30 at Duaringa; advance purchase fare of $130.00.

I asked at the TravelTrain office at Central station if there were any spare roomettes for the journey....no, any spare twinettes, no twinettes any more, they are just 2 roomettes with the dividing wall knocked down.

But there was one available.

Cost, 1st class sleeper X 2 approx $650.00, one way ExclamationShocked

Needless to say I then sat up in the very comfortable sitting car for the 12.5 hour journey with three other pax and made myself right at home after 4 miniatures of white wine and two (small) main courses and 6 pieces of fruit cake washed down by a truly excellent proper cup of coffee. I've never spent $65.00 in one meal sitting on a train before..Laughing These days there is now a servery in the galley wall of the dining car to purchase refreshments from. There is a locked door along the dining car corridor to keep the great unwashed from visiting the first class dining car. All refreshments including alcohol are to be consumed at seat.

Train arrived right on time at Duaringa at 6:30am and I stepped off the train into the freezing and frosty morning air.

The saloon sitting car seats on the SotO are almost as comfy as the old AJ cars of the Overland, except with less seat pitch. The saloon cars ride very well, are very quiet and the temperature on-board was perfect.

I'll be here (Duaringa) for the next week till I return to Brisbane in a roomette berth.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Nice summary

Is that siting car the 3 across?

Re the prices, just goes to show what it costs to run a hotel on wheels.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Nice summary

Is that sitting car the 3 across?

Re the prices, just goes to show what it costs to run a hotel on wheels.
RTT_Rules

Nope, 2 X 2, cloth covered, deep foam, 6 reclining position seats with spring loaded footrests and drop down tables.

Triple glazed windows with venetians.

Washroom and shower (no towels)at one end and 2 toilets the other end of each of the 2 sitting cars on the train.

After over 12 hours on the train...no numbum whatsoever, compared with 2 hours in aeroplane....lots of numbum.

1st class sleeper includes cooked breakfast and three course evening meal

Mike.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Nope, 2 X 2, cloth covered, deep foam, 6 reclining position seats with spring loaded footrests and drop down tables.

Triple glazed windows with venetians.

Washroom and shower (no towels)at one end and 2 toilets the other end of each of the 2 sitting cars on the train.

After over 12 hours on the train...no numbum whatsoever, compared with 2 hours in aeroplane....lots of numbum.

1st class sleeper includes cooked breakfast and three course evening meal

Mike.
The Vinelander
Very nice. Nothing wrong with seaters, but you need comfortable ones.

3hr on the RTT EC seats and I have serious numbum!
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Are there any plans to place the sleepers back on the service?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Are there any plans to place the sleepers back on the service?
x31

There used to be a roomette and a Composite 1st & Economy sleeper before the rationalisation of all the Lander services.

The Roomette car, now gutted of 6 of the sleepers is now a crew sleeper x4 and an 8 seater lounge.

The Composite sleeping car was retired.

WHO...yes who is asking for sleeping cars to be returned to service Question

Hardly anyone was using the Inlander sleeping cars anyway and those few that were using them were on pensioner discounts.

It's highly unlikely any of the remaining sitting cars are going to be converted to sleepers however, and this is MY THOUGHTS only...there could be space in the sitting cars for two seating classes, Economy and Rail-bed, with a partition between the classes.

Mike.

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