Cunningham Pier, Geelong

 
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
Having visited Geelong and Cunningham Pier the other week, the web of track remaining in the pier got me wondering....

Can anyone advise what was the route of the last rail connection to Cunningham Pier? Did the branch to the pier run along Cunningham St then west along Brougham St direct to the Geelong Rail yards, or did it make a sharp right angle turn north and run between Western Foreshore and Western Beach Rds? Where was the junction? In Geelong or North Geelong Rail Yards? Also, did the branch leading to Cunningham Pier continue past it further south along the waterfront?

Finally, does anyone have copies of route maps or photos of trains running to/from Cunningham Pier?

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  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Marcus Wong has all the details (except photos of trains) on his Rail Geelong site :

http://www.railgeelong.com/lineguide/cunningham-pier
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
Thanks for that link. That told me everything I wanted to know. Very helpful.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
A line with some interesting history.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Having visited Geelong and Cunningham Pier the other week, the web of track remaining in the pier got me wondering....

Can anyone advise what was the route of the last rail connection to Cunningham Pier? Did the branch to the pier run along Cunningham St then west along Brougham St direct to the Geelong Rail yards, or did it make a sharp right angle turn north and run between Western Foreshore and Western Beach Rds? Where was the junction? In Geelong or North Geelong Rail Yards? Also, did the branch leading to Cunningham Pier continue past it further south along the waterfront?

Finally, does anyone have copies of route maps or photos of trains running to/from Cunningham Pier?
12CSVT
I wondered where that when I went down there to have a look a few years ago, but I had a bit of a wander around the back street,s one can clearly see where it went. It came in to the Geelong station yard where the current police station is, theres still a decent sized cutting visible past the Police station.

woodford
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

I wondered where that when I went down there to have a look a few years ago, but I had a bit of a wander around the back street,s one can clearly see where it went. It came in to the Geelong station yard where the current police station is, theres still a decent sized cutting visible past the Police station.

woodford
woodford
The Pier line diverged just in front of Geelong A Box and ran smack through the middle of the just vacated signal control centre then down a bluestone line cutting to cross Brougham Street at a level crossing on the Eastern end of the Brougham St road subway .(You can see both sides of the roadway the bricked up cutting.) this cutting then continues still today under  Mercer St  (llok for a red steel walled overbridge) continued out of the cutting on a curve to cross Gheringhap Street to the East of the  White Elephant Bus Interchange, then still on a curve crossed Brougham St again with a lx along Cunningham Street to cross the waterfront road and onto the Pier proper .  

Till the Fyansford Cement works were converted to natural gas in the 1970's  Newcastle black coal was unloaded at Cunningham Pier into 4 wheel wagons and hauled by  locos up to Fyansford .  Other rail traffic in the 1950's and 60's were bagged wheat exports, and bagged rice exports from Deniliquin .
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Fabulous post Kuldalai.  Most appreciated. However you have left us wondering about the statement " just vacated signal control centre"
Care to elaborate?
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Fabulous post Kuldalai.  Most appreciated. However you have left us wondering about the statement " just vacated signal control centre"
Care to elaborate?
JoppaJunction
As part of the  RRL project  V/Line Centrol controls now all signalling from  Southern Cross to  Waurn Ponds and  Southern Cross to Ballarat .

The 9 year old Geelong Signalling Control Centre  formerly housed in a non descript concrete block building adjacent to Geelong "A"  Box  transferred its signalling functions to Centrol last week .

The only mechanical locally signalled functions remaining are at North Geelong "C" and at V/Lines busiest station outside Southern Cross at South Geelong .

North "C" is funded for  replacement with motorized points, colour light signals and control from Centrol, but V/Line infrastructure are taking ages to get it constructed . Not to to with passengers so low priotity  BLUE HILLS project for VLP.

In the case of South Geelong it can switch out for straight through movements .  With over 100 passenger services each Weekday at South Geelong with the new timetable it is high time that the largely existant crossing loop were completed and this last remaining mechanical interlocking in the Geelong area incorporated into Centrol .
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

... at South Geelong with the new timetable it is high time that the largely existant crossing loop were completed ...
kuldalai
completed, or reinstated?
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
What a shame. Geelong decimated with job losses and the government just keeps removing rail jobs from Geelong.
  prwise Locomotive Driver

Till the Fyansford Cement works were converted to natural gas in the 1970's  Newcastle black coal was unloaded at Cunningham Pier into 4 wheel wagons and hauled by  locos up to Fyansford .  Other rail traffic in the 1950's and 60's were bagged wheat exports, and bagged rice exports from Deniliquin .
kuldalai
I am a Geelong boy and used to run around under Cunningham catching pigeons when I was young. This would have been during the sixties and I cannot ever recall coal being unloaded here. In fact to be honest I cannot ever recall seeing a single wagon there. I do remember large wharehouses (now gone) on the pier, but cannot ever remember seeing anything move in or out.   I thought the coal was unloaded at Corio Quay - there were some small cranes and hoppers to bunker the coal for the wagons. (Think they might still be there. Saw them a few years ago at least).  Lived about 50 meters from Rail Head at Fyansford. Spent a lot of time hanging around trains there.  Mispent Childhood?
  prwise Locomotive Driver

I am a Geelong boy and used to run around under Cunningham catching pigeons when I was young. This would have been during the sixties and I cannot ever recall coal being unloaded here. In fact to be honest I cannot ever recall seeing a single wagon there. I do remember large wharehouses (now gone) on the pier, but cannot ever remember seeing anything move in or out.   I thought the coal was unloaded at Corio Quay - there were some small cranes and hoppers to bunker the coal for the wagons. (Think they might still be there. Saw them a few years ago at least).  Lived about 50 meters from Rail Head at Fyansford. Spent a lot of time hanging around trains there.  Mispent Childhood?
prwise
Just read Marcus's excellent piece of history. You were right Kuldalai - used for coal up till 50's then moved to Corio Quay. Before my time. I remember the operations well at Fyansford. Always 2 loco's in push pull. Once clear of the catch points front engine would go ahead and push empty wagons clear to rear of works where they would be back filled with bags of cement. All loaded by hand on a bed of straw put down first. Back breaking stuff. I think it was 40 bags to the tonne then which would have made them 50 kg bags I think. Or were they 40 Kg bags?. Damn heavy anyway to be picking them off a shute and stacking in a wagon all day. Rear loco would then slowly push loaded coal wagons over weighbridge. Used to close the road for quite a period. Wagons then placed under gantry crane for unloading. There were also bulk wagons to move around as well. Can't remember if these were behind or in front of coal wagons on arrival trip. But always closest to engine on return trip. One loco would return to Nth Geelong during proceedings. Not required for the down gradient trip home.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

At South Geong there has never been a crossing loop. The former Queenscliff line finishes opposite Garden Street and if connected back into the mainline with a single turnout would create a very valuable crossing loop at South Geelong.

Black coal was unloaded at Cunningham Pier for rail transport to the Cement Works at Fyansford. This coal traffic to Fyansford still on rail was transferred in later years to Corio Quay North.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

At South Geong there has never been a crossing loop. The former Queenscliff line finishes opposite Garden Street and if connected back into the mainline with a single turnout would create a very valuable crossing loop at South Geelong.

Black coal was unloaded at Cunningham Pier for rail transport to the Cement Works at Fyansford. This coal traffic to Fyansford still on rail was transferred in later years to Corio Quay North.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

At South Geong there has never been a crossing loop. The former Queenscliff line finishes opposite Garden Street and if connected back into the mainline with a single turnout would create a very valuable crossing loop at South Geelong.

Black coal was unloaded at Cunningham Pier for rail transport to the Cement Works at Fyansford. This coal traffic to Fyansford still on rail was transferred in later years to Corio Quay North.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Some good old shots there.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Just read Marcus's excellent piece of history. You were right Kuldalai - used for coal up till 50's then moved to Corio Quay. Before my time. I remember the operations well at Fyansford. Always 2 loco's in push pull. Once clear of the catch points front engine would go ahead and push empty wagons clear to rear of works where they would be back filled with bags of cement. All loaded by hand on a bed of straw put down first. Back breaking stuff. I think it was 40 bags to the tonne then which would have made them 50 kg bags I think. Or were they 40 Kg bags?. Damn heavy anyway to be picking them off a shute and stacking in a wagon all day. Rear loco would then slowly push loaded coal wagons over weighbridge. Used to close the road for quite a period. Wagons then placed under gantry crane for unloading. There were also bulk wagons to move around as well. Can't remember if these were behind or in front of coal wagons on arrival trip. But always closest to engine on return trip. One loco would return to Nth Geelong during proceedings. Not required for the down gradient trip home.
prwise
Back In the 1990's Geelong Cement bags were 40 Kg Net (25 bags to the tonne)

In the same era Pivot and the likes of Hi Fert had 50 Kg Net bags of fertiliser.

These days you can hardly find bags of bulk product that are over 20 Kg Net (50 bags to the tonne)
  Campaspe 2 Locomotive Driver

I was in Geelong yesterday and I noticed that the Cunningham Pier line cutting located to the east of Mercer Street had been (or was in the process of) being filled in, although the bridge beam was still in position. Can any local tell us what is occurring on the site of the old line. It appears from a very brief look that the entire reserve of the old line across to Gheringhap Street is being impacted.

Around 10 years ago you could walk along the rail reserve between Mercer and Gheringhap Streets. A concrete wall (it may have actually been the wall of a basement) had been erected on the station side of the Mercer Street bridge as part of the Court House / Police Station redevelopment, thereby making the area under the bridge look more like a dead-end tunnel.

Regards

Campaspe
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
"The work is part of a project to create a new car park, which would host about 100 parking spots off Gheringhap and Corio streets."



http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/news/city-hall/end-of-line-for-geelong-cbd-tunnel-under-mercer-st-as-council-prepares-to-fill-it/news-story/a4fb5eab8d42f83dcd431512cf8a38fd
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
I was in Geelong yesterday and I noticed that the Cunningham Pier line cutting located to the east of Mercer Street had been (or was in the process of) being filled in, although the bridge beam was still in position. Can any local tell us what is occurring on the site of the old line. It appears from a very brief look that the entire reserve of the old line across to Gheringhap Street is being impacted.

Around 10 years ago you could walk along the rail reserve between Mercer and Gheringhap Streets. A concrete wall (it may have actually been the wall of a basement) had been erected on the station side of the Mercer Street bridge as part of the Court House / Police Station redevelopment, thereby making the area under the bridge look more like a dead-end tunnel.

Regards

Campaspe
Campaspe 2
Most of the cutting on the Station side between Mercer and Brougham Street was filled in for Car Parking when "Trainshed Way" and extra parking for the Police Station was constructed around 2010. A look at Google Earth will show where it was as portion of the line of trees still exists and a fence line is still in place as the Mercer Street side seems to be under different ownership. Last time I looked (a couple of years ago) rails were still across the road where it crossed Brougham Street beside the main line subway bridge.

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