Casino to Murwillumbah line to remain closed

 
  boromisa Junior Train Controller

Here are some good news. My understanding is that there is also a possibility of extending this to the Blues Fest/Splendor sites. Nice to see those negative,miserable people who wanted to rip up the track and forget about it proven wrong!



Work to begin on light rail between Byron resort and town
[color=#3e9acd][size=1][font=Open Sans', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Marnie Johnston[/font][/size][/color] 5th May 2015 11:36 AM


ELEMENTS of Byron are progressing with their plans to reinstate a train along the 3km of track between Sunrise Beach and Byron township, they have said in a letter to local residents.

Elements have sent a letter to property owners close to the track to inform them of current plans, and said they intend to commence work on the track in June.

This is to coincide with the former Club Med/Becton/Byron Beach Resort/North Byron Beach Resort, soon to be known as Elements of Byron, on Belongil Beach.

The resort has received approval is for 193 individual one and two bedroom villas of which 94 villas, along with the central resort and leisure facilities, are due for completion by Christmas 2015.

Byron Shire Council put their support behind the proposal for the light rail service to run between the town and the resort at Belongil [color=#3e9acd]back in 2013.[/color]

This week, Elements said they are currently restoring a two-car 660 series 100 seater diesel railmotor in its heritage colours in Lithgow - a train which was built at the end of the Second World War and operated by Cityrail on the Hunter Valley line for most of it's former life.

The track work is set to take some months, with Elements having said they plan to have the train running on the tracks before Christmas, in time for the opening of Elements of Byron resort.

The train will be available for use by the general public at a fare of around $3 for a one-way journey.

While they are yet to determine a timetable for services, they have said there will be two train stations - one where Bayshore Drive crosses the existing track near Bayshore Bungalows and another at the top end of town behind the Caltex Service Station and NRMA in the rail corridor.
For residents worried about noise, Elements said the two-car railmotor is relatively quiet at the speeds it will operate, especially on a straight track, however there would be a "suburban whistle" used at the Kendall Street level crossing.

The team said they have been in continual discussion with those formulating the Northern Rivers Rail Trail plans, and said the corridor has "plenty of capacity for the rail trail as well as the train."
The track will continue to be owned by the State Government, with an access licence allowing Elements to use this section of the rail corridor, however, not exclusively.

Elements said they can be contacted for any queries on[color=#3e9acd]enquiries@northbyronbeachresort.com.au or on 6685 6561. [/color]

http://www.byronnews.com.au/news/work-begin-light-rail-between-byron-resort-and-tow/2628537/

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  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Here are some good news. My understanding is that there is also a possibility of extending this to the Blues Fest/Splendor sites. Nice to see those negative,miserable people who wanted to rip up the track and forget about it proven wrong!
boromisa
A GROUP of Byron Bay residents whose properties back onto the old railway line have reacted with dismay to a letter from the developers of Elements of Byron regarding the rail service set to start from the town and travel to the resort along the old rail corridor. read http://www.byronnews.com.au/news/train-surprises-sunrise/2636278/  
  TomBTR Chief Train Controller

Location: near Sydney


If anyone had any uncharitable opinions of the Byron folk, they are now reinforced.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE


If anyone had any uncharitable opinions of the Byron folk, they are now reinforced.
TomBTR
Nearly half the people up that way are stupid enough not to vaccinate their kids and think its cool to watch kids die of whoping cough or get polio.
The other half are idiots who leaches off the taxpayer
More often than not in that area they have a foot in both camps.

A 100 year old railway ROW shouldn't have any resistance to trains running.

I suspect the govt will now approve it to spite this people over the above issues.
  Yawn Station Staff

Location: Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
what gets me is that the residents of Sunrise Avenue seem to be taking the threat seriously; eg the noise, pollution, etc from a 15 minute shuttle service.

these residents are unfamiliar with what goes on in rail heritage in Australia.

there are railmotors sitting uselessly in places like Glenreagh, Armidale, Cooma, Gympie- these are unlikely to ever run again.

there are people with pipe dreams everywhere eg re-opening the Cowra line, re-opening any line for that matter.

it has provided years and years of entertainment but that is about it.
  Mrs_O Station Master

Location: At a Station near You!
Well here is the Gold Coast Bulletins write up about the proposed partial re-open this morning.

A 3km train line could be serving Byron Bay by the end of the year
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
As the Tweed Daily is now appearing on Trove, I checked for Northern Rivers rail material. As folk here know, the NSW line was never built to Tweed Heads. By 1916 NSW and QLD had agreed on the general merits of the present day interstate railway route to Brisbane via Kyogle and its superiority over the Tweed Heads Murwillumbah proposal. The following Trove shows that by 1923 even the Tweed Daily from Murwillumbah editorialised that they were convinced that a concrete road was ample connection between Murwillumbah and Tweed Heads, just as they believed that a similar road would establish the best form of communication between Ballina and Booyong. That was a reference to Booyong-Ballina branch line which opened in 1930 and closed in 1949 (Tweed Daily 8NOV1923 P.2 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article190179167 )  

Parts of the Tweed Murwillumbah road was concrete although not all was concrete.
  Chidda Bang Locomotive Driver

Location: Banned
Who wants me 2 mak a murwilly xplorer timetable
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Who wants me 2 mak a murwilly xplorer timetable
Chidda Bang
Others have beaten you to it.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Others have beaten you to it.
s3_gunzel

That and the fact that on such a long run, a better level of amenity is needed.
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
Whats 3km? Surely they could ask council or Government to assist to get at least 10km back into service.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Oh God, Junction box, you've been whining about this for years.

Build a bridge (or a hundred and fifty-something) and get over it.
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
Oh God, Junction box, you've been whining about this for years.

Build a bridge (or a hundred and fifty-something) and get over it.
Watson374
Just think the amount of effort going into the project with accreditation etc deserves more than three kay, hope there is options for further expansion
  boromisa Junior Train Controller

Just think the amount of effort going into the project with accreditation etc deserves more than three kay, hope there is options for further expansion
Junction box
Apparently there is an option to extend to BB Blues Fest and Splendour sites depending on support from Council/govt.

As for the whingers about noise how can this be relevant if it is already a rail corridor i.e. has approval to run trains.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Apparently there is an option to extend to BB Blues Fest and Splendour sites depending on support from Council/govt.

As for the whingers about noise how can this be relevant if it is already a rail corridor i.e. has approval to run trains.
boromisa
The 2016 Bluesfest Festival is 9kms North of Byron Bay, Lot 103, 104, 105 Pacific Hwy Tyagarah   according to their website http://www.bluesfest.com.au/faqs/default.aspx?FaqSectionID=7  

The GPS is 28°35'15.83"S 153°32'50.59"E which is just north of the Tyagarah airstrip. The nearest usable present station would be Mullumbimby (6 KM from Bluesfest) or the organisers increase ticket prices and pay for a new built station closer to the site. Either way, the train line itself is too far from the Bluesfest site to carry your gear, including camping gear, so bus transport required from Mullumbimby station or temporary station to the Bluesfest site and some might say you might just as well bus them the short 9km from Byron Bay itself.

Locals who drive over the line on the Pacific Motorway bridge and look down on the rails might wonder how the railmotor is going to get past all the bushes on the track as well as ask when the new sleepers will arrive and if the new sleepers will be paid for by the Bluesfest folk? Google Street view from the southbound lanes on the bridge shows line is sort of clear but the north bound street view reveals heavy bush on the line. Check the north bound bridge Google Street view looking west for yourselves to see what I mean .....

Last train May 2004 so all folk who arrived in Byron to live in recent years would take one look at the track and legitimately assume trains will never go past their back fence again so lawyer's will make a fortune.....
  a6et Minister for Railways

The 2016 Bluesfest Festival is 9kms North of Byron Bay, Lot 103, 104, 105 Pacific Hwy Tyagarah   according to their website http://www.bluesfest.com.au/faqs/default.aspx?FaqSectionID=7  

The GPS is 28°35'15.83"S 153°32'50.59"E which is just north of the Tyagarah airstrip. The nearest usable present station would be Mullumbimby (6 KM from Bluesfest) or the organisers increase ticket prices and pay for a new built station closer to the site. Either way, the train line itself is too far from the Bluesfest site to carry your gear, including camping gear, so bus transport required from Mullumbimby station or temporary station to the Bluesfest site and some might say you might just as well bus them the short 9km from Byron Bay itself.

Locals who drive over the line on the Pacific Motorway bridge and look down on the rails might wonder how the railmotor is going to get past all the bushes on the track as well as ask when the new sleepers will arrive and if the new sleepers will be paid for by the Bluesfest folk? Google Street view from the southbound lanes on the bridge shows line is sort of clear but the north bound street view reveals heavy bush on the line. Check the north bound bridge Google Street view looking west for yourselves to see what I mean .....

Last train May 2004 so all folk who arrived in Byron to live in recent years would take one look at the track and legitimately assume trains will never go past their back fence again so lawyer's will make a fortune.....
petan
I think any lawyer would know that unless the line has been closed with a permanent official notice of that taking place, so they could well be asking for trouble & be accused of taking money from clients knowing they have little chance of winning any damages, also when newbies purchase the homes backing on to the line or close to it, would be advised that the line is just suspended & not closed therefore, there is potential that it may open sometime in the future.

It does not take long to remove growth on the rail line, any larger trees would be sawed off & base poisoned.  I would still be surprised if the mob opening this short section of track do not have other plans for the operation which would very well depend on the success or otherwise of the startup.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
I think any lawyer would know that unless the line has been closed with a permanent official notice of that taking place, so they could well be asking for trouble & be accused of taking money from clients knowing they have little chance of winning any damages, also when newbies purchase the homes backing on to the line or close to it, would be advised that the line is just suspended & not closed therefore, there is potential that it may open sometime in the future.

It does not take long to remove growth on the rail line, any larger trees would be sawed off & base poisoned.  I would still be surprised if the mob opening this short section of track do not have other plans for the operation which would very well depend on the success or otherwise of the startup.
a6et
Sorry but those who have walked the track in recent years know the sleepers as well as other track infrastructure such as rail spikes / clips and bridges, both large and small, are basically rotten and would need pretty well total replacement at a huge cost. Sad but true and it almost gives me depression when we walk different sections as we did quite a few Ritz Rail trips in that era and can see how quickly the infrastructure has deteriorated. The organisers of the locals festivals would know the same numbers of customers would attend the festivals via bus anyway.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Sorry but those who have walked the track in recent years know the sleepers as well as other track infrastructure such as rail spikes / clips and bridges, both large and small, are basically rotten and would need pretty well total replacement at a huge cost. Sad but true and it almost gives me depression when we walk different sections as we did quite a few Ritz Rail trips in that era and can see how quickly the infrastructure has deteriorated. The organisers of the locals festivals would know the same numbers of customers would attend the festivals via bus bus anyway.
petan
Petan

I understand that in reality none of the timber sleepers, even the new ones would be in any way servicable owing to the white ant issue, even this initial short run will be hampered by that aspect & how many steel sleepers or concrete are in place along the operating section.

What I was more refering to is any brush or tree growths that are an obstruction to the line & its operation can be easily removed, & therefore not a huge problem, depending of course how large they are, & the root growth, which can be poisoned.

As for the protest should the line ever be reopened, the aspect of those who purchased adjacent to the line would not have any legal claim at all.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Confirmed yesterday by site inspection the bridge over Condong Creek has been removed with the concrete foundation still remaining in the creek bed. This is on the Condong Sugar Mill standard gauge extension immediately west of Quarry Rd Murwillumbah and just east of Boral Timbers (Standard Sawmilling Co).
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
There is a picture of the Condong creek bridge I mentioned in my earlier post on P.295 of ARHS Bulletin Aug 2000 Some recollections of the Murwillumbah branch (Williams, Ted)
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Currently a poll running on scope for a rail trail.  Results are quite close.

https://polldaddy.com/poll/9366252/?view=results
  Jim K Train Controller

Location: Well west of the Great Divide in NSW but not as far as South Australia
https://polldaddy.com/poll/9366252/?view=results

Very wishy washy question.

At the time I read the poll, 34% state they would not use it, and 66% said they would.

But it doesn't actually ask "Do you want a rail trail or not". Some of those 34% may actually still support a rail trail, they may not use it, but that is not what the question asks.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
I think that its an ok question.  I think it is better to get a view on who would use it instead of whether they want one or not.  After all, lets not build something if its not going to be used sufficiently.

Though there are clear faults with the survey being voluntary, and probably at risk of being answered more by those who would use it and less by those who wouldn't.  Plus, what is the population?  They wouldn't be getting tourists who would come to the area and use it.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I think that its an ok question.  I think it is better to get a view on who would use it instead of whether they want one or not.  After all, lets not build something if its not going to be used sufficiently.

Though there are clear faults with the survey being voluntary, and probably at risk of being answered more by those who would use it and less by those who wouldn't.  Plus, what is the population?  They wouldn't be getting tourists who would come to the area and use it.
james.au

How many of those respondants are actually telling the truth and how many aren't actually human.

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