New Rail service to start between Port of Melbourne and Port of Brisbane

 
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
According to the Herald Sun Newspaper a new Port to Port rail service has been agreed. No idea when it is to start but the report said it would remove 100,000 b double movements per annum.

The article stated the issue was the Port of Brisbane which required a tunnel to be built?  What is that about?

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  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

I wouldn't say the tunnel is needed right now...standard gauge track already reaches the Port of Brisbane. A $5-billion 20km long tunnel has been mooted to reduce freight train movements through Brisbane's southern suburbs if the Inland Railway is built (mostly to avoid Nimby-ism along the existing corridor), but it wouldn't make or break a new service starting now. 100,000 B-doubles works out at around 550 20ft containers a day, so this would be a very big deal for rail freight.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
, so this would be a very big deal for rail freight.
Sulla1
especially if all coming from Port to Port road traffic, that 2-3 trains a day. this maybe part of the drive to help justify the Inland.

The 20km Brisbane tunnel is a waste of money.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
I wouldn't say the tunnel is needed right now...standard gauge track already reaches the Port of Brisbane. A $5-billion 20km long tunnel has been mooted to reduce freight train movements through Brisbane's southern suburbs if the Inland Railway is built (mostly to avoid Nimby-ism along the existing corridor), but it wouldn't make or break a new service starting now. 100,000 B-doubles works out at around 550 20ft containers a day, so this would be a very big deal for rail freight.
Sulla1

I cannot find the article online but it is in today's Herald Sun.

I wonder who the customer might be and potential operator?  Sounds like it could be a shipping company or a stevadore?  Shades of Patricks all over again?

Lack of rail capacity into the Port of Melbourne will cost them business.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I cannot find the article online but it is in today's Herald Sun.

I wonder who the customer might be and potential operator?  Sounds like it could be a shipping company or a stevadore?  Shades of Patricks all over again?

Lack of rail capacity into the Port of Melbourne will cost them business.
JoppaJunction
Cannot get another 2 trains a day?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
What's the point of trains running Port to Port, um Ocean going container ship !

There Is no way $5 Billion could be justified to be spent on a 20 km freight line just to reduce noise (sounds like a plan engineered to fail and never see the light of day)
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

The Port of Melbourne has capacity and pricing issues that appears to be making other container ports more attractive. Could also be the choice of the shipping company wanting a faster turnaround for their ships serving the Pacific Rim. Ports with the shortest sailing times from North Asia (Prince Rupert and Vancouver) have been picking up a lot more trade on the North American West Coast for the same reason...Brisbane may be ticking that box.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
The Port of Melbourne has capacity and pricing issues that appears to be making other container ports more attractive.
"Sulla1"


Where I agree where in that case is the traffic coming from?  Melbourne to Brisbane appears to be the thrust.

If the costs are high then the train should be originating from Melbourne Yards not the Port.  Then again we hear of capacity issues with the Port of Melbourne in terms of rail access with an idea to further remove yard space under the previous liberal government.

There exists a stupid system of 100's and 100's of truck movements each day from the rail yards to the port and return.  Some runs are less than 500 metres.  Ridiculous.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

I'm not across the the way in which imported "land bridged" containers are treated by Australian Customs, but it's possible these containers being imported or exported through Brisbane will be going via the Melbourne Port to clear customs and inspections (purely my speculation), something that could not be done in elsewhere in Melbourne.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Can containers be transferred of the docks and sent to the customer and then have a customs inspection?  I believe this does happen.
  br30453 Chief Train Controller

What's the point of trains running Port to Port, um Ocean going container ship !

There Is no way $5 Billion could be justified to be spent on a 20 km freight line just to reduce noise (sounds like a plan engineered to fail and never see the light of day)
Nightfire
The tunnel idea is a ridiculous idea and never was investigated in any detail beyond drawing a line on a map. The noise and coal dust complaints come mainly from people in the federal seat that was held by Rudd so the Libs came up the tunnel idea thus hoping to win votes and take the the seat from Rudd. Rudd was returned so no need to keep the promise. If the Cross River Rail was built it would free freight paths to the port of Brisbane. A short tunnel through the Morningside ridge would eliminate most of the noise. And lids on coal wagons would eliminate the coal dust problem.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
The tunnel idea is a ridiculous idea and never was investigated in any detail beyond drawing a line on a map. The noise and coal dust complaints come mainly from people in the federal seat that was held by Rudd so the Libs came up the tunnel idea thus hoping to win votes and take the the seat from Rudd. Rudd was returned so no need to keep the promise. If the Cross River Rail was built it would free freight paths to the port of Brisbane. A short tunnel through the Morningside ridge would eliminate most of the noise. And lids on coal wagons would eliminate the coal dust problem.
br30453

Why are freight paths to the Port of Brisbane a problem?  I did not think there were many trains to the Island?

Are we talking SG or NG or both?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

The freight line to the Port of Brisbane is dual gauge, but is supplemented for most of its length by double track narrow gauge suburban lines. There are no regular standard gauge services to the port, but there's about 20-25 coal and grain trains from the Western Line a day plus daily export container freights from both Rockhampton and Townsville...there's a shortage of paths for freight services getting from the north side of the river to the south side caused by commuter services taking up much of the capacity, the new Cross River Tunnel (now not happening and yet another tunnel) was to take commuter services underground and free up paths on the existing cross river lines.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Thanks @Sulla1

How often are there SG services into the Port?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

More or less none at the moment. I think PN ran a light engine to the port last year for crew familiarisation...that would be about it recently. The standard gauge link has rarely been used since it was built in the nineties.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
The freight line to the Port of Brisbane is dual gauge, but is supplemented for most of its length by double track narrow gauge suburban lines. There are no regular standard gauge services to the port, but there's about 20-25 coal and grain trains from the Western Line a day plus daily export container freights from both Rockhampton and Townsville...
Sulla1

That is way more trains than into and out of the Port of Melbourne.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Did anybody have succes in getting hold of the news article. Much appreciated if someone can.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

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