Rail announced as preferred transport provider for new mine

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 14 Mar 2015 21:50
  David Zhang Beginner

Location: Shanghai, China
TasRail has been selected by Australian Bauxite Limited as the preferred provider of land transport services for the proposed Bald Hill project.

TasRail secured this new business opportunity, following an exhaustive tender and selection process.

Contractual and operational details are expected to be finalised before the end of the year but will see TasRail operate up to six new rail services between Conara and Bell Bay each week. The bauxite will be hauled in covered bulk containers utilising the existing intermodal wagon fleet.  
Rail announced as preferred transport provider for new mine

The story says the new contract will start in second quarter 2015.  Is a siding required or branch to the loading or mine area?

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  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
No David. The bauxite will be loaded into trucks at the site along Macquarie Rd. north-west of Campbell Town and shuttled c. 14.5km to Tasrail's existing yard at Conara Junction, north of Campbell Town via the Midlands Highway, where the trains will be loaded.

Establishing a siding at Campbell Town itself, was not worthwhile, due to the limited nature of the deposit and relative close proximity of Conara Jctn. yard.
  derwentparkjunc Chief Train Controller

Are any Railpage contributors able to provide observations re the movement of bauxite from the new mine near Conara?

Cheers,
DPJ
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
Hasn't quite started yet, its either this week or next.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Can anyone advise on details of the type of rollingstock to be used.  Containers or hopper cars???
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
How many million tonnes of ore per year is that?

How many tonnes of ore per container and per train?
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
Can anyone advise on details of the type of rollingstock to be used.  Containers or hopper cars???
Trainplanner
QL/QLE intermodel(container wagons) with half height conatiners.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
How many million tonnes of ore per year is that?

How many tonnes of ore per container and per train?
awsgc24

Pure educated guess

6 trains per week, assuming max of 2000t per train is about 600,000 to 650,000tpa

2000t per train because at 18t/axle = 72t/wagon - 20t for wagon and container weight = 52t x 40 wagons, assume train length of  600m weighing just under 3000t

Pls make corrections where you see fit.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Thanks
  Tascop Chief Train Controller

Location: Devonport, Tas
There are videos on YouTube of these trains running.
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
There are videos on YouTube of these trains running.
Tascop
Those a test trains. The first fully loaded train is yet to depart Conara.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
So you hae YouTube links to post ?
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
First train load of bauxite leaving Conara is next week.
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqSNioU9gEc
The first bauxite train to Bell Bay captured this morning.
  Draffa Chief Commissioner

Amazing what traffic rail can capture given a team of go-getters at the helm.  Can anyone imagine PN or Aurizon even bothering to bid short-trip for traffic like this?
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqSNioU9gEc
The first bauxite train to Bell Bay captured this morning.
Z1NorthernProgress2110
Cool Video, thanks.

Why do they have a guards van?
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Amazing what traffic rail can capture given a team of go-getters at the helm.  Can anyone imagine PN or Aurizon even bothering to bid short-trip for traffic like this?
Draffa

PN can't spell innovation or growth unless it has the word coal somewhere.

The owner of this video does not want to share it across sites.  They have disabled viewing from other websites.  It should be deleted from the site here.

A question.  What is the little "wagon" on the rear?
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
The wagon on the rear is for the shunting crew to ride in when being shunted in Bell Bay port area. Shunters aren't allowed to ride on wagons anymore.
  siroch Locomotive Driver

The wagon on the rear is for the shunting crew to ride in when being shunted in Bell Bay port area. Shunters aren't allowed to ride on wagons anymore.
Z1NorthernProgress2110
More specifically for protecting reverse movements from Bell Bay wharf up to Georgetown. Riding on wagons ceased a long time ago. The ZX was modified for this purpose by PN.
  siroch Locomotive Driver

The wagon on the rear is for the shunting crew to ride in when being shunted in Bell Bay port area. Shunters aren't allowed to ride on wagons anymore.
More specifically for protecting reverse movements from Bell Bay wharf up to Georgetown. Riding on wagons ceased a long time ago. The ZX was modified for this purpose by PN.
  siroch Locomotive Driver

Amazing what traffic rail can capture given a team of go-getters at the helm.  Can anyone imagine PN or Aurizon even bothering to bid short-trip for traffic like this?
Draffa
You can modal shift anything you want for the right price.
  NSWGR8022 Chief Train Controller

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
You can modal shift anything you want for the right price.
siroch

You sure can.  I see Aurizon are becoming a little more interested in modal shifting again given coal might be coming on the nose.

Tasrail have been doing a good job thou I suspect the removal of the yard at Hobart my prevent future passenger trips across their network?
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
I suspect the removal of the yard at Hobart my prevent future passenger trips across their network?
NSWGR8022

The removal of Hobart yard is the least of the problems preventing the resumption of passenger services on the network. When passenger trains were running, they normally didn't enter Hobart yard (proper) anyway and used to terminate at the Regatta grounds. The more substantial barriers to the resumption of mainline access include: Tasrail network insurance (precludes the operation of passenger services), the closure of the Hobart Line, the functionality of the new train control system, government disinterest and specific individual issues with the respective main-line groups (e.g. DRR no remaining physical connection (main-line points gone), DVR rolling-stock & loco rebuilds incomplete and TTMS organisational inability to run at the scale deemed necessary to be viable, according to the latest feasibility study. The closest short term potential achievement towards substantial tourist passenger operations in the state (other than WCWR) is the DVR gradually inching closer and closer towards accessing the DV Line again. Full main-line cross network access could be a decade away.
  BP4417 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Launceston, Tasmania
The removal of Hobart yard is the least of the problems preventing the resumption of passenger services on the network. When passenger trains were running, they normally didn't enter Hobart yard (proper) anyway and used to terminate at the Regatta grounds. The more substantial barriers to the resumption of mainline access include: Tasrail network insurance (precludes the operation of passenger services), the closure of the Hobart Line, the functionality of the new train control system, government disinterest and specific individual issues with the respective main-line groups (e.g. DRR no remaining physical connection (main-line points gone), DVR rolling-stock & loco rebuilds incomplete and TTMS organisational inability to run at the scale deemed necessary to be viable, according to the latest feasibility study. The closest short term potential achievement towards substantial tourist passenger operations in the state (other than WCWR) is the DVR gradually inching closer and closer towards accessing the DV Line again. Full main-line cross network access could be a decade away.
12CSVT
Tasrail network insurance (precludes the operation of passenger services) Would this be a breach of the "Open Access" agreement signed by governments past. TTMS organisational inability to run at the scale deemed necessary to be viable, according to the latest feasibility study. Should this be used as the reason not to allow heritage rail operations on track which now effectively is terminated at Bridgewater?The functionality of the new train control system. What do rail contractors run with? Tasrail would be obliged to have a fall back system in case of system failure.
Must have knuckle couplers. New South Wales and Queensland operate with hook and link rolling stock on network lines.
Must have air brakes. The UK operate vacuum and air brake trains on rail networks.
In a past agreement in exchange for looking after the track between the flood gates at Inveresk and Henry Street Road crossing in which the DRR replaced rail and renewed sleepers DRR were granted permission to operate a gang motor from Inveresk to Henry Street Road crossing without the need to contact train control. The Black Bridge is now used as an excuse to prevent access because an inspection certificate has not been issued, yet pedestrian access is still allowed. Go figure 20 or so pedestrians and or bike riders would be heavier than a gang motor with passengers. Just because they are pedestrians or bike riders does not reduce the so called risk.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Tasrail network insurance (precludes the operation of passenger services) Would this be a breach of the "Open Access" agreement signed by governments past. TTMS organisational inability to run at the scale deemed necessary to be viable, according to the latest feasibility study. Should this be used as the reason not to allow heritage rail operations on track which now effectively is terminated at Bridgewater?The functionality of the new train control system. What do rail contractors run with? Tasrail would be obliged to have a fall back system in case of system failure.
Must have knuckle couplers. New South Wales and Queensland operate with hook and link rolling stock on network lines.
Must have air brakes. The UK operate vacuum and air brake trains on rail networks.
In a past agreement in exchange for looking after the track between the flood gates at Inveresk and Henry Street Road crossing in which the DRR replaced rail and renewed sleepers DRR were granted permission to operate a gang motor from Inveresk to Henry Street Road crossing without the need to contact train control. The Black Bridge is now used as an excuse to prevent access because an inspection certificate has not been issued, yet pedestrian access is still allowed. Go figure 20 or so pedestrians and or bike riders would be heavier than a gang motor with passengers. Just because they are pedestrians or bike riders does not reduce the so called risk.
BP4417
I highly doubt any open access agreement requires the track owner to carry suitable insurance to run passenger trains. If so the track owner would also be required to maintain the track to Pax standard as well. Both would place an unfair cost on rail freight operators on that route as the pax services would unlikely ever pay enough to carry the extra costs.

issue facing heritage pax rail operators
- Reducing suitable infrastructure
- Reducing suitable routes
- Reducing previously industry trained members
- Reduced skill sets for working on and operating old technology
- Reducing industry support due to privatisation and modernisation/technology of commercial operations
- Reducing hand me down options from govt/private freight and pax operators
- What I believe is reducing interest in long duration heritage travel
- Reducing/limited public interest?
- Increasing govt regulation
- increasing govt costs
- Increasing govt regulation to reduce some of the previous options in the past such as photo stops in ideal locations.
- Aging equipment

The challenges are huge. Are our heritage rail operators up to the task of sustained regular mainline operations and is there sufficient public interest to do so?

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