Daylesford to Trentham

 
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
An extension to Lyonville is far more achievable than going on to Trentham. It would make it much less of a line to nowhere than just Bullarto .  ¬ Of course this was a better destination than the  remote platform of Musk.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
An extension to Lyonville is far more achievable than going on to Trentham. It would make it much less of a line to nowhere than just Bullarto .  ¬ Of course this was a better destination than the  remote platform of Musk.
Rodo

From left field.  What happened to the rail which was on this section?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
An extension to Lyonville is far more achievable than going on to Trentham. It would make it much less of a line to nowhere than just Bullarto .  ¬ Of course this was a better destination than the  remote platform of Musk.
Rodo
Musk was a very boring terminus, wasn't it... it wasn't much of a trip either. Bullarto is much better, they've put a lot of effort into re-creating a functioning building in a more picturesque location.
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
Two questions from me.

1. Is the railway easement still available between Trentham and Bullarto?
2. How many trestle bridges exist in this section?
x31

1. It depends what you define as "available". The right of way is still crown land but there are current leases on parts of it, such as Lyonville yard. The domino rail trail has also been built between Trentham and Lyonville.

2. The main bridge is the Coliban River. I've never actually walked the trail any further than this bridge, so I'm not sure what is beyond there towards Trentham.


Do you think a 4-5km extension to Lyonville - a destination complete with a pub, small town, mineral springs and (presumably?) an intact, original station - be a better proposition for DSCR than Trentham?
don_dunstan

Apart from the issue of Lyonville station being leased, you really have to look at what this gives the railway. While the pub is a nice attraction, I don't think it outweighs the extra journey time, higher ticket prices and increased maintenence.

The current service is a 1 hour return journey and the majority of our passengers seem to think this is just right. It also means that there aren't lengthy delays between trains at Daylesford station. For most people, the wait is an hour or less.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Do you think a 4-5km extension to Lyonville - a destination complete with a pub, small town, mineral springs and (presumably?) an intact, original station - be a better proposition for DSCR than Trentham?
don_dunstan
I do not believe the people who ride the railway are really interested in the destination, it is the ride that is the attraction.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
2. The main bridge is the Coliban River. I've never actually walked the trail any further than this bridge, so I'm not sure what is beyond there towards Trentham.
VRfan

What is the distance between Bullarto and the trestle Bridge you reference?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
As per Blacksmith's earlier post, the section Lyonville-Trentham is now a rail-trail. According to the website there's a detour around a trestle bridge over the Coliban near Lyonville and a brick-arch culvert under the trail about halfway. Presumably that trestle is not safe - someone (perhaps a local) may know if there are plans to restore/improve structures along the trail in the future.
don_dunstan
Unless a timber trestle bridge Is heritage listed and a major drawcard for the rail trail, they are normally bypassed by a pedestrian standard bridge or the old timber bridge Is demolished and a new pedestrian standard bridge Is built In the same place.

Rail trail management committees / local Governments are reluctant to reuse an old timber bridges due the future maintenance liabilities.

On the Great Southern Rail Trail, large timber trestle bridges have been demolished at Black Spur Creek, Franklin River and 2 at Angus River to make way for simpler pedestrian standard bridges (Timber bridges at Tarwin River and Stockyard Creek have been saved by trail bypass bridges)
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Unless a timber trestle bridge Is heritage listed and a major drawcard for the rail trail, they are normally bypassed by a pedestrian standard bridge or the old timber bridge Is demolished and a new pedestrian standard bridge Is built In the same place.

Rail trail management committees / local Governments are reluctant to reuse an old timber bridges due the future maintenance liabilities.

On the Great Southern Rail Trail, large timber trestle bridges have been demolished at Black Spur Creek, Franklin River and 2 at Angus River to make way for simpler pedestrian standard bridges (Timber bridges at Tarwin River and Stockyard Creek have been saved by trail bypass bridges)
Nightfire
Yes, one of the reasons I am documenting existing timber bridges, as they may be destroyed as part of rail trail creation.

However, in an interesting change, the two bridges over the Tarwin River West Branch near Koonwarra, are being mostly preserved as part of the extension of the rail trail. The sections over the river flats are being repaired while new construction is being used for the actual span across the Tarwin River in both cases.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
What is the distance between Bullarto and the trestle Bridge you reference?
JoppaJunction
Roughly 4.65 Kilometres.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I am guessing you are referring to the bridge over the Woady Yaloak River near the end of Galatea Road? That looks like one that warrants investigation.
TheBlacksmith
I believe that it's an authentic reconstruction of the original Skipton line bridge, if you Google Nimon's bridge you'll find it easily. I've been there numerous times because I have friends who live nearby; it's a real highlight of the bike ride and quite a high trestle - there's an alternative route through the valley for horse-riders.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
I believe that it's an authentic reconstruction of the original Skipton line bridge, if you Google Nimon's bridge you'll find it easily. I've been there numerous times because I have friends who live nearby; it's a real highlight of the bike ride and quite a high trestle - there's an alternative route through the valley for horse-riders.
don_dunstan
Interesting, so it is not the original bridge then?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Interesting, so it is not the original bridge then?
TheBlacksmith
It was opened in 1890 but I read somewhere that the original burnt down in a bushfire in the fifties and had to be completely rebuilt at that time anyway.

There's a lot of original kauri timber forming the base but I believe it was extensively reconstructed with steel reinforcement and a completely new deck about 10 years ago when the rail trail was being upgraded - there's a picture somewhere on the internet of John Brumby opening the finished product. The original rail trail was quite rough with a lot of clay but they spent a lot of money on compacted granitic sand and the inclusion of some of the remaining trestles on the route to make it easier for all-weather use.

There are two more much smaller restored trestles in use on the trail on either side of Linton, they're mostly original and also worth a look.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Roughly 4.65 Kilometres.
"TheBlacksmith"


Hi @TheBlacksmith I am still unable to find the location of the trestle on good maps. I can find the loddon river location.  Do you have a moment please to post a google maps link?
  639 Chief Commissioner

Interesting discussion....  Anyway, Here is the bridge over the Coliban River just past Lyonville...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/22274952@N04/8401655612
https://www.flickr.com/photos/22274952@N04/8400568401
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Hi @TheBlacksmith I am still unable to find the location of the trestle on good maps. I can find the loddon river location.  Do you have a moment please to post a google maps link?
x31
This should take you to it on Google Maps: [color=#999999][size=2]-37.390874, 144.270070[/size][/color]
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
It was opened in 1890 but I read somewhere that the original burnt down in a bushfire in the fifties and had to be completely rebuilt at that time anyway.

There's a lot of original kauri timber forming the base but I believe it was extensively reconstructed with steel reinforcement and a completely new deck about 10 years ago when the rail trail was being upgraded - there's a picture somewhere on the internet of John Brumby opening the finished product. The original rail trail was quite rough with a lot of clay but they spent a lot of money on compacted granitic sand and the inclusion of some of the remaining trestles on the route to make it easier for all-weather use.

There are two more much smaller restored trestles in use on the trail on either side of Linton, they're mostly original and also worth a look.
don_dunstan
Thank you, I will take a look at them when time permits.

So many trestles, so little petrol/LPG....
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Interesting discussion....  Anyway, Here is the bridge over the Coliban River just past Lyonville...
639
Thanks for those pictures - the deck looks to be in extremely poor condition but they might be able to replace it as they have done elsewhere. The supports look to be reasonably sound.

Thank you, I will take a look at them when time permits. So many trestles, so little petrol/LPG....
The Blacksmith
I regret not having seen many of the Cudgewa and Mansfield trestles before they were demolished but there's still lots to see around Victoria including one over the Wimmera river at Quantong and others at Balmoral and Cavendish (Glenelg river). I believe those bridges are still in situ but fenced and unsafe to walk - it would be good if they could be restored as part of a Rail Trail development in the future.

Unfortunately not much else remains of those once-extensive western district lines - Natimuk once had an impressive station building but it's now gone; Balmoral had a lot of heritage structures left but I believe they're also all gone now.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
This should take you to it on Google Maps: [color=#999999][size=2]-37.390874, 144.270070[/size][/color]
TheBlacksmith

Unfortunately this link does not work in chrome but does when cut and paste.  Thanks for sharing.

Given the location extending from Bullarto to Lyonville should not be an issue when it comes to bridges?
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Unfortunately this link does not work in chrome but does when cut and paste.  Thanks for sharing.

Given the location extending from Bullarto to Lyonville should not be an issue when it comes to bridges?
JoppaJunction
It was not a link, just a set of coordinates, cut and paste into Google Maps.

No, It is not a problem. But I am puzzled to find everyone still making an argument for extending the line past Bullarto, when the view of the DSCR is that they have no interest in doing so. What do we need to put this to rest, a letter from the DSCR itself?
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
I regret not having seen many of the Cudgewa and Mansfield trestles before they were demolished but there's still lots to see around Victoria including one over the Wimmera river at Quantong and others at Balmoral and Cavendish (Glenelg river). I believe those bridges are still in situ but fenced and unsafe to walk - it would be good if they could be restored as part of a Rail Trail development in the future.

Unfortunately not much else remains of those once-extensive western district lines - Natimuk once had an impressive station building but it's now gone; Balmoral had a lot of heritage structures left but I believe they're also all gone now.
don_dunstan
The problem is that when a rail trail comes into being near a wooden trestle bridge, it may be demolished to prevent people venturing onto it, it may be fenced off and bypassed, which is good, or it may be restored to a safe condition, in which case the deck is replaced in a non-railway form and railings erected along the full length. Personally, I prefer they are left alone.

But you are correct, there are plenty left to see, and some are quite neatly hidden away from everyone. Probably too many for me to cover in my lifetime, but I will give it a go.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I regret not having seen many of the Cudgewa and Mansfield trestles before they were demolished but there's still lots to see around Victoria including one over the Wimmera river at Quantong and others at Balmoral and Cavendish (Glenelg river). I believe those bridges are still in situ but fenced and unsafe to walk - it would be good if they could be restored as part of a Rail Trail development in the future.
don_dunstan

Don to which trestles on the Mansfield line do you refer?  I spent a lot of time around Bonnie Doon and Mansfield (Mount Buller) in the 1990's and looked regularly at the easement.  Interested in your information.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
No, It is not a problem. But I am puzzled to find everyone still making an argument for extending the line past Bullarto, when the view of the DSCR is that they have no interest in doing so. What do we need to put this to rest, a letter from the DSCR itself?
TheBlacksmith

Perhaps a shake-up of the 'steady as she goes' thinking at the higher echelons of the DSCR might be worthy of consideration  Question
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
My viewpoint but I believe an extension of the line from Bullarto to either Lyonville (as a start) and then perhaps later to Trentham would deliver more value and dollars to Trentham than a short under utilised rail trail.

Can anyone opine on the costs per kilometre per annum to maintain the current line from Daylesford to Bullarto?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Don to which trestles on the Mansfield line do you refer?  I spent a lot of time around Bonnie Doon and Mansfield (Mount Buller) in the 1990's and looked regularly at the easement.  Interested in your information.
bevans
The decision was made to 'upgrade' all trestles on the Mansfield line in the 1950's with concrete and steel structures - maybe something to do with the re-construction and enlargement of Lake Eildon at that time. There are some footing remnants left but not much else: Occasionally you find photos of the really impressive trestles that existed on that line until then. The Cudgewa line had trestles right till the end but unfortunately many were short-sightedly demolished in the 90's because they were deemed to be a risk to the public.

Many heritage structures lost forever unfortunately.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
I recall on the line some smaller bridges (not trestles) which were used until the very end of the line being in use.

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