Stored Locos at North Geelong Yard moving to Seymour

 
  NSWGR8022 Chief Train Controller

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Loocomotives stored at North Geelong Yard are moving to Seymour.  Expect the move over the next week or so.

Rumour is they have been purchased from PN.

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  bartaxr8 Junior Train Controller

According to Facebook:
On the 4/8/15, leaving North Geelong at 3.40 and arriving at Seymour at 7.00 will be the following:
B75, T385 and T386 will be transferring P19, P21,P22, P23, Y119, Y171, Y174, T388, T399, T402, H2, H3 and H5.
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
According to Facebook:
On the 4/8/15, leaving North Geelong at 3.40 and arriving at Seymour at 7.00 will be the following:
B75, T385 and T386 will be transferring P19, P21,P22, P23, Y119, Y171, Y174, T388, T399, T402, H2, H3 and H5.
bartaxr8
Wow, that is early.  I won't be out of bed for that.
I guess they are all in a state where they can be moved on the main.  I rode passed the yard yesterday (Saturday) and the locomotives are still sitting in the same spot.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
According to Facebook:
On the 4/8/15, leaving North Geelong at 3.40 and arriving at Seymour at 7.00 will be the following:
B75, T385 and T386 will be transferring P19, P21,P22, P23, Y119, Y171, Y174, T388, T399, T402, H2, H3 and H5.
bartaxr8

Is that the truth or did you read it on Facebook? Smile

I wonder where H4 is?

The start of the transfers happens tonight with B75 and the two T's bringing P22 down from Bendigo.

  ed31880 Train Controller

I thought publishing circulars on here was a big no no?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I thought publishing circulars on here was a big no no?
ed31880

Not any more.  That policy was revoked. Not sure it is a circular. Looks more liked typed times.

B75 did pass through Albion at 23:29

https://www.railpage.com.au/railcams/albion/photo/20039732890

Camera 2 also has P22 on the rear

https://www.railpage.com.au/railcams/albion2/photo/20219517592
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
The movements over the next day or two also include two wagons from Tottenham Yard.

1 x BVDY52 &lx BOJX2471 ex TYD

Any idea what these are? I think the BVDY52 is a guards van?

Going to Bendigo with the B and 2 T Class.

To Seymour are B75-T385-T386-P22-Y119-T399-P19-P21-P23-Y171-Y174-T388-T402-H2-H3-H5  quite a consist.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Does anybody know of their planned fate once they arrive at Seymour?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Does anybody know of their planned fate once they arrive at Seymour?
Gman_86

Said to have been purchased by the owners of Ettamogah Intermodal Terminal.  Colin Rees I do believe.  Most will be returned to service and the remainder will be used as parts I imagine.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
My understanding is that Col Rees has or is setting up what could be effectively be described as a shortline or "feeder"  services operation in association with PN to provider feeder type services from various locations in southern NSW and the Portland line the loading of which is then picked up as a block by PN on the mainline by scheduled PN services at location like Ettamogah (existing) Junee/Cootamundra and Maroona.  In addition there are I believe other potential broad gauge feeder services or non-mainline type opportunities being explored.

Whilst I genuinely don't have any further detail than that, one thing is certain is the Col Rees certainly has a proven track record and understanding of transport and logistics and the potential of rail at the client and direct client/business level with his Ettamogah and former CRT Altona operation.  

The acquisition includes standard gauge X class units from Werris Creek as well.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
My understanding is that Col Rees has or is setting up what could be effectively be described as a shortline or "feeder" services operation in association with PN to provider feeder type services from various locations in southern NSW and the Portland line the loading of which is then picked up as a block by PN on the mainline by scheduled PN services at location like Ettamogah (existing) Junee/Cootamundra and Maroona. In addition there are I believe other potential broad gauge feeder services or non-mainline type opportunities being explored.
Trainplanner

Well there is certainly a market for this activity. PN has lost or more likely abandoned much of Victoria and some regional NSW traffic. A smaller more nimbal and cheaper operator could really pick up the spoils. This is where Qube has in my view failed and El Zorro was on the track track but lacked the management experience.

A kin to a US short haul operation.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Good luck Colin.
Be interesting to see how the crews react to picking up loading enroute in the dark, cold and rain etc as this is what killed the Ettamogah paper traffic all those years ago.
  DounutCereal Chief Train Controller

Location: Who knows.
Said to have been purchased by the owners of Ettamogah Intermodal Terminal.  Colin Rees I do believe.  Most will be returned to service and the remainder will be used as parts I imagine.
bevans
Perhaps, perhaps not. As far as I'm aware they were all stored operational and wouldn't be too needing of new parts unless they've had bits removed. I've heard talk that some of them even had some heavy-ish work done to them not long before they were stored so some should be in reasonable condition.

I asked Ettamogah about the 3 Y's they already have at Seymour a few weeks back and the reply I got was that they were planning to reactivate and overhaul all 3 of them on an as needed basis, rather than use one as parts like had been reported. Hopefully that's the case!

Also to note with H4 missing from that list is Y165. Either they are not wanted by Ettamogah or PN want to hang onto them for whatever reasons. I know H1 seems to be favoured for transfer work and lately is being favoured as a shunter around the docks due to its weight advantage oer a T class so I wouldn't put it past PN hanging onto a second H, Y165 on the other hand I have no idea why it wouldn't be going with the rest of the locos. I guess we'll wait and see if these two were omitted from peoples reports or if they really are staying at North Geelong.

The acquisition includes standard gauge X class units from Werris Creek as well.
Trainplanner

That's great news for the X's! It has me wondering if it's all or some of them though, either way it's a really interesting time for PN's Victorian fleet!
  ed31880 Train Controller

I doubt that PN would sell any X class or any other mainline units. All the locos that Col Rees has aquired from PN are all low horse power branch line units and have a caveat not to be used on the mainline.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
According to information on Vicsig (usually a pretty reliable source) PN has sold all of their 3rd series X class (road numbers X45-X52) to Ettamogah Rail Pty Ltd during July/ August 2015.

These locomotives have all been in storage at Werris Creek for some time (with the exception of X49 which has been stored in Melbourne), and have had little use for some time.

Pacific National have a proven track record of preffering to scrap rollingstock rather than see it end up in the hands of competitors, maybe this sort of operation as described by Trainplanner would be seen as something of a partnership rather than direct competition, therefore getting around PN's usual scrap first mentality.
  ed31880 Train Controller

The vicsig site has only been updated this evening. I doubt the info about the X class is 100% accurate however time will tell.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
What type of new loading could be gained through a new partnership as sergested ?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

What type of new loading could be gained through a new partnership as sergested ?
Nightfire

Some sort of terminal or short haul feeder service would be pretty likely, perhaps in the same way PN cooprates with CKS (Queensland Cement contract in Cairns) and EDI (the Maryborough Branch) to do local shunting. Geelong cement maybe?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
For those interested the transfer from North Geelong did not happen this morning.  The train is stuck in Lara Loop.  One of the Y Class experienced a HOT BOX according to information provided.
  Railwayfan Train Controller

Location: By a Railway
Out of interest what is a hotbox?

I have also read the same Y had traction motor iaaues as well.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Out of interest what is a hotbox?
Railwayfan
An axle box which is hot...
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

Well there is certainly a market for this activity.  PN has lost or more likely abandoned much of Victoria and some regional NSW traffic.  A smaller more nimbal and cheaper operator could really pick up the spoils.  This is where Qube has in my view failed and El Zorro was on the track track but lacked the management experience.

A kin to a US short haul operation.
JoppaJunction
QUBE has not failed at all. It's business model is intermodal container freight to/from ports. They have 6 intermodal yards at present. These are Acacia Ridge, Port Botany, Yennora, Dynon, Somerton and Macarthur. It's previous entity, DP World only got going in 2006/7 so, in my view, that's pretty successful.

El Zorro was always a basket case and using the phrase "...lacked the management experience." is putting it mildly.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Out of interest what is a hotbox?

I have also read the same Y had traction motor iaaues as well.
Railwayfan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_box
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_box
LancedDendrite
No doubt this interesting thread will kidnapped by endless discussion on hotboxes.

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