New Car Set FN3 and other V/Line fleet changes

 
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

As per above - 3VL00 in testing , 2 VL 05 & 12 having trailers fitted.
P16 being fitted with ICE radio.
A 66 back in running.

N 458 gauge conversion EDI dynon  15/7 to SG ex (Newport 14/7)

FN10 & SH25 Newport. - exams

9 BZN.  - BTN cars  still stored,  waiting bogies. After almost 2 years !!!!!!!  Nothing happens quickly, though , they we're originally built from scratch faster !!!! Probably not back in service before Christmas !!!!

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  SN7 Chief Commissioner

As per above - 3VL00 in testing , 2 VL 05 & 12 having trailers fitted.
P16 being fitted with ICE radio.
A 66 back in running.

N 458 gauge conversion EDI dynon  15/7 to SG ex (Newport 14/7)

FN10 & SH25 Newport. - exams

9 BZN.  - BTN cars  still stored,  waiting bogies. After almost 2 years !!!!!!!  Nothing happens quickly, though , they we're originally built from scratch faster !!!! Probably not back in service before Christmas !!!!
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
9 BZN.  - BTN cars  still stored,  waiting bogies. After almost 2 years !!!!!!!  Nothing happens quickly, though , they we're originally built from scratch faster !!!! Probably not back in service before Christmas !!!!
SN7
All to be returned to service by July 2016 going by the V/line website. Disgraceful! Will coincide with the delivery of the last scheduled V/locity unit VL66.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

All to be returned to service by July 2016 going by the V/line website. Disgraceful! Will coincide with the delivery of the last scheduled V/locity unit VL66.
SamTheMan79
Typically V/LINE no sense of URGENCY in doing  capital works, upgarding works  (like Echuac line speed increase now 4 years overduee on promised date .  Z cars out of service is another "Blue Hills" saga V/line need to get a rocket under .
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

3VL00 now in service, 3VL05 in testing and 3VL12 almost completed - 2VL01 shopped for trailer insertion, refurbishment etc.

SH 21 to South Dynon for Door Lock mods.

P class ICE radio mods - P14 , completed P11, P13, P 16, P 18

D339 new wheels & Bogie overhaul - bogies overhauled Marked SSR BGO

PH 453 still out if action - almost 18 months, simlar to Z cars.

A 66 - GEMCO exam 1-3 August, not bad for a loco supposed to be withdrawn from service.

PCJ492 - SN 15 - GEMCO exam

N 458 in service SG - N 464 out if service SG waiting wheel change - for reprofilling.

A60, 62 and 70 hauled from South Dynon to Storage Yard (all in cab brake equipment removed) - A60 engine stripped of several parts - further  storage on 1 August.
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

3VL00 now in service, 3VL05 in testing and 3VL12 almost completed - 2VL01 shopped for trailer insertion, refurbishment etc.

SH 21 to South Dynon for Door Lock mods.

P class ICE radio mods - P14 , completed P11, P13, P 16, P 18

D339 new wheels & Bogie overhaul - bogies overhauled Marked SSR BGO

PH 453 still out if action - almost 18 months, simlar to Z cars.

A 66 - GEMCO exam 1-3 August, not bad for a loco supposed to be withdrawn from service.

PCJ492 - SN 15 - GEMCO exam

N 458 in service SG - N 464 out if service SG waiting wheel change - for reprofilling.

A60, 62 and 70 hauled from South Dynon to Storage Yard (all in cab brake equipment removed) - A60 engine stripped of several parts - further  storage on 1 August.
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

3VL00 now in service, 3VL05 in testing and 3VL12 almost completed - 2VL01 shopped for trailer insertion, refurbishment etc.

SH 21 to South Dynon for Door Lock mods.

P class ICE radio mods - P14 , completed P11, P13, P 16, P 18

D339 new wheels & Bogie overhaul - bogies overhauled Marked SSR BGO

PH 453 still out if action - almost 18 months, simlar to Z cars.

A 66 - GEMCO exam 1-3 August, not bad for a loco supposed to be withdrawn from service.

PCJ492 - SN 15 - GEMCO exam

N 458 in service SG - N 464 out if service SG waiting wheel change - for reprofilling.

A60, 62 and 70 hauled from South Dynon to Storage Yard (all in cab brake equipment removed) - A60 engine stripped of several parts - further  storage on 1 August.
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

3VL 05 entered revenue service today, 3VL12 has commenced commissioning trials,  2 VL 02 shopped for refurbishment, and trailer insertion.  

BZN 252 & BZN 267  ex the operational fleet of Z cars, red carded with bogie cracks.  Several N sets running as 3 cars instead of 4 or 5!

Several N sets with various faults ,  out of service, several loco hauled train cancelations as well as VL runs,   Due to unavailability of serviceable rollingstock.
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
3VL 05 entered revenue service today, 3VL12 has commenced commissioning trials,  2 VL 02 shopped for refurbishment, and trailer insertion.  

BZN 252 & BZN 267  ex the operational fleet of Z cars, red carded with bogie cracks.  Several N sets running as 3 cars instead of 4 or 5!

Several N sets with various faults ,  out of service, several loco hauled train cancelations as well as VL runs,   Due to unavailability of serviceable rollingstock.
SN7
What is the reason for all of the faults at the moment? Not enough investment in scheduled maintenance?
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
A combination of heavily reduced budgets for the past few years and issues with the maintenance contractor are factors.   The decision to minimize use of the A class locos (stowed) and P class locos has put additional pressure on the N class fleet.   Minimizing utilization of H class push pull fleets has also put pressure on the VL fleet.   Taking almost 3 years to source new bogies for the Z cars when proven bogie frame casting capability was available in New Zealand and elsewhere (China), may give you an indication that the turmoil the fleet is is now is a product of other factors as well as lack of budget.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Of course if one was really on the ball you might even approach PN or CFCLA and do a deal to hire a couple of G class and/or 81's for say a 6 month basis at bargain rates given the current climate and transfer N's back to broad gauge to fill the void until the situation stabilizes.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Nice thought, but hired locomotives are not likely to fix the most pressing issue, that being the lack of servicable long distance car stock. The reality is, V/Line desperately need a replacement for the N sets (New locomotives to pull them too, but that is another issue, not as urgent as the carriages though), yet the government have shown zero signs of organising a replacement.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Yes I do agree but I think we are unlikely to see new "long distance" fleet for at least another 5 to 6 years so maintaining the existing fleet to a much higher standard and returning Z cars back to service on new bogies that were funded and approved around 2 years ago are quite critical.
  ab123 Chief Train Controller

A combination of heavily reduced budgets for the past few years and issues with the maintenance contractor are factors.   The decision to minimize use of the A class locos (stowed) and P class locos has put additional pressure on the N class fleet.   Minimizing utilization of H class push pull fleets has also put pressure on the VL fleet.   Taking almost 3 years to source new bogies for the Z cars when proven bogie frame casting capability was available in New Zealand and elsewhere (China), may give you an indication that the turmoil the fleet is is now is a product of other factors as well as lack of budget.
Trainplanner

There is the same number of push pull services now as there was 5 years ago?

Think all of this shows that a combination of old equipment and booming patronage (and to a degree possibly budget cutbacks) is having an effect on the availability of rolling stock.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey

Think all of this shows that a combination of old equipment and booming patronage (and to a degree possibly budget cutbacks) is having an effect on the availability of rolling stock.
ab123

Why not just look at the management.  It is the contracted role of management to not only deliver services but to undertake adequate planning to ensure services are delivered both now and in the future.

We have seen a series of poor management from V/Line.  Let's stop blaming the governments.  We have seen derailments through lack of maintenance, projects which have run years over and decisions which to many appear very strange indeed.

The capital cost requirements for Vline are only going to get a lot worse over the next 5 years.  Planning for long distance rolling-stock purchases, track upgrades, additional Vlocity services and with it rolling-stock , booming patronage and community pressure will all shortly descend onto the management of vline and the minister for transport who will need to be very ready.

For anyone to state the management at v/line were unable to predict the current issues is just farcical.

All this and we had a previous government who wanted to spend $33b at ALL cost for a road which did not solve any issues with patronage growth across the rail and tram and bus network.

In fairness Kosky was hopeless and also had to go.  She was asleep at the wheel and not much has changed since then.
  ab123 Chief Train Controller

We have seen a series of poor management from V/Line.  Let's stop blaming the governments.  We have seen derailments through lack of maintenance, projects which have run years over and decisions which to many appear very strange indeed.

The capital cost requirements for Vline are only going to get a lot worse over the next 5 years.  Planning for long distance rolling-stock purchases, track upgrades, additional Vlocity services and with it rolling-stock , booming patronage and community pressure will all shortly descend onto the management of vline and the minister for transport who will need to be very ready.

For anyone to state the management at v/line were unable to predict the current issues is just farcical.

All this and we had a previous government who wanted to spend $33b at ALL cost for a road which did not solve any issues with patronage growth across the rail and tram and bus network.

In fairness Kosky was hopeless and also had to go.  She was asleep at the wheel and not much has changed since then.
x31

Yes in fairness V/Line probably could have done some things a little better, but its hard with one hand tied behind your back. There hasn't been endless amounts of money made available. We had a government that sat on its hands which delayed a V/Locity order and appointed a new CEO who was told to make savings in the order of $20million or so and the RRL project that came in under budget but the funds were sent away from rail.

Just think 10 years ago there were no V/Locitys and I don't think anyone predicted that patronage boom post RFR and it has been catch up ever since.

The government IS to blame because they control funding!
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Yes in fairness V/Line probably could have done some things a little better, but its hard with one hand tied behind your back. There hasn't been endless amounts of money made available. We had a government that sat on its hands which delayed a V/Locity order and appointed a new CEO who was told to make savings in the order of $20million or so and the RRL project that came in under budget but the funds were sent away from rail.

Just think 10 years ago there were no V/Locitys and I don't think anyone predicted that patronage boom post RFR and it has been catch up ever since.

The government IS to blame because they control funding!
ab123
Exactly. The idea of a business is to make money. The idea of VLine is to lose as little money as possible. These things are very different. Bodies like VLine have to do what they are told to do by Government with the resources they are allocated by that government. Much of the time this involves doing as little as possible and being reactive not proactive in order to minimise the spend.

Yes, some of the blame lies with VLine but most of it lies fair and square with a succession of governments cutting spending. The Bendigo line is a great case in point,  arguably once Australia's finest rail line built to English Main Line standards now singled in large sections beyond Kyneton which causes delays and constraints to service delivery. The delays cost $$$ but to fix it will cost far more than the paltry sum saved in singling the line so is unlikely to be done anytime soon.

If the service was making money the "company" would throw $$$ at it to improve service delivery and therefore profit however it costs money and so improving the service is not a priority. Until enough people whine about it (including me!) and the government is prompted into action for self preservation reasons.

Sad but true.

BG
  Chidda Bang Locomotive Driver

Location: Banned
There is the same number of push pull services now as there was 5 years ago?
ab123
No geelong footy special push pulls now Sad
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Referring to numbers of push pull sets It's not about the same number of services now being the same as 5 years ago, its the fact that the opportunity exists to operate these a little more intensively than is being done today.  As I recall at least 2 push pull sets arrive inbound into SX of a morning by around 0715.  These 6 car H sets are very high capacity and should be being used in the peak of the peak where their capacity to upfift 600 plus passengers ca be better utilized is more the point.   I do not have the V/Line car working to be anymore precise.  But using H sets in this way would enable either Sprinter or V'Locity sets displaced by the use of the H set to then build up smaller consists like on the Ballarat Line.   As I understand some folks at PTV are now independently reviewing V/Line car working to see if opportunities like I have outlined can be identified to improve peak period operations and take pressure of other services and fleet.
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

Not much happening fleet wise -  3VL01 in service, 3VL02 testing pre delivery , 2VL O3 & 4 trailer insertions At Dandenong,  ICE radios being fitted progressively to 3VL 19- 3VL 51.

No additional Z cars have re entered service , SG set SN1 still G exam Gemco, almost finished.

Additional SG N class N458 out of service for last 3/4 weeks account rough riding.

H sets door mods progressing - usually one set per week -  SH 21- SH 27 - SH 24 - SH 25 done or in process.
Modified sets can't operate in multi with un modified sets.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Not much happening fleet wise -  3VL01 in service, 3VL02 testing pre delivery , 2VL O3 & 4 trailer insertions At Dandenong,  ICE radios being fitted progressively to 3VL 19- 3VL 51.

No additional Z cars have re entered service , SG set SN1 still G exam Gemco, almost finished.

Additional SG N class N458 out of service for last 3/4 weeks account rough riding.

H sets door mods progressing - usually one set per week -  SH 21- SH 27 - SH 24 - SH 25 done or in process.
Modified sets can't operate in multi with un modified sets.
SN7
What modifications are they doing to the H sets?
  N463 Locomotive Driver

3VL01 in service, 3VL02 testing pre delivery , 2VL O3 & 4 trailer insertions At Dandenong
SN7

Are they refurbishing the interiors of the older VL cars? The Blue/Green won't match the interiors of newer sets.
Aside from which, the interiors of the older V/Locity cars are now getting filthy.  

N463
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
3VL01 in service, 3VL02 testing pre delivery , 2VL O3 & 4 trailer insertions At Dandenong

Are they refurbishing the interiors of the older VL cars? The Blue/Green won't match the interiors of newer sets.
Aside from which, the interiors of the older V/Locity cars are now getting filthy.  

N463
N463
Matching seat fabrics to the new VL's and handles matching the shape of VL52-59 but in green as well as fresh information stickers as far as I've seen.
  gomer Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
A66 officially withdrawn from service as of today 21/09/15 due to cost issues.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
A66 officially withdrawn from service as of today 21/09/15 due to cost issues.
gomer
Over 60 years of service. Not bad, even the DD class rebuilt as D3s didn't last that long.

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