Modernising / Refurbishing the N Class Carriages

 
  Carnot Chief Commissioner


One thing I've noticed too is that loco hauled sets have a lot more issues with 'jerkiness' when it comes to accelerating and braking.  Try riding in the front carriage of a Swan Hill Down service as it brakes down Chewton Bank into Castlemaine!

Agreed, however that is in the training of the driver.

My mate of many, many years as a V/Line driver ALWAYS does stretch stops on loco hauled trains and as you say the Swan Hill probably, because I use it often for Mildura is a good (bad) example.
The Vinelander
I have found a fair bit of variation in this - some days the driver is very smooth, other times not.  I suppose whether the train is running on time or not could be another factor.

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
There are train drivers and bus (Vlocity) drivers.............good and bad in both.............
  woodford Chief Commissioner


One thing I've noticed too is that loco hauled sets have a lot more issues with 'jerkiness' when it comes to accelerating and braking.  Try riding in the front carriage of a Swan Hill Down service as it brakes down Chewton Bank into Castlemaine!

Agreed, however that is in the training of the driver.

My mate of many, many years as a V/Line driver ALWAYS does stretch stops on loco hauled trains and as you say the Swan Hill probably, because I use it often for Mildura is a good (bad) example.I have found a fair bit of variation in this - some days the driver is very smooth, other times not.  I suppose whether the train is running on time or not could be another factor.
Carnot
A couple of points on this...........

DMU's such as the Sprinters and VLocity's do not usually suffer from "jerkiness" as each unit is powered so no unit is towing another.

Its possible it depends on the loco used, the rate of traction motor current rise when going from Notch 0 to Notch 1 is adjustable. So the machine can start off quickly or slowly depending on how this is set up. The EMD mantence handbook states it makes no difference if one goes from Notch 0 to Notch 1, or Notch 0 to Notch 4, the initial rate of current rise is the same.

Thats what the handbook says anyway.

woodford
  woodford Chief Commissioner

As for ride quailty and comfort, for what its worth here's my opinion..........

Now woodford is height is 185cm (6 ft and 3/4 of an inch)

The 2nd class N set seating is terrible, no leg room at all except for only a couple of seats.

The noise of the VLocity does not bother my (I drive a diesel road vehicle), the ride is definitely better than an N set but the seats are designed for people well below my height so I find them somewhat uncomfortable.

The Sprinters are great,except when packed right up to the gills, it usually being fairly easy to get a seat with plenty of room. For what its worth I like the design of the machine also each separate car has a system with almost complete redundancy. There being very few failures which will actually completely halt the machine.

woodford
  XAM2175 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Glasgow
My complaint with the seats in the VLocity is the recline... they just lean too for back.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
My complaint with the seats in the VLocity is the recline... they just lean too for back.
jb17kx
Exactly what I found.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

One thing I've noticed too is that loco hauled sets have a lot more issues with 'jerkiness' when it comes to accelerating and braking.  Try riding in the front carriage of a Swan Hill Down service as it brakes down Chewton Bank into Castlemaine!

Agreed, however that is in the training of the driver.

My mate of many, many years as a V/Line driver ALWAYS does stretch stops on loco hauled trains and as you say the Swan Hill probably, because I use it often for Mildura is a good (bad) example.I have found a fair bit of variation in this - some days the driver is very smooth, other times not.  I suppose whether the train is running on time or not could be another factor.
Carnot

Every day is a different driver on long distance services as they usually stay overnight at the terminal destination (rest job) and return the next day.

Mike.
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
My complaint with the seats in the VLocity is the recline... they just lean too for back.
Exactly what I found.
YM-Mundrabilla
The pitch angle of the seats in the newer VLocities as well as the refurbed VLocities has been changed to be more upright.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

My complaint with the seats in the VLocity is the recline... they just lean too for back.
Exactly what I found.
The pitch angle of the seats in the newer VLocities as well as the refurbed VLocities has been changed to be more upright.
SamTheMan79
I prefer the older Vlo seats - they seem to have more padding and they're better for sleeping on...
  vinelander Junior Train Controller

So I'm guessing that there is quite a difference in comfort levels between those GSR cars used on the Overland (economy) and the N Sets.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
The seats selected by GSR for the Overland refurbishment and Red Service sitters on the Ghan and IP were designed in Spain and were speced to provide high comfort levels for longer distance journies.   Interesting is a technical manual developed in the industry that forms a matrix of journey time and other criteria that then tells you what spec the seats should be.

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