Artist Who Can't Draw

 
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
..for nuts. Has anyone noticed that Nine News has a resident artist who sketches likenesses when people appear in court, and that he/she can't draw to save themselves?

Every drawing looks like every other, they all look dark and swarthy, always have mouths downturned at the corners, and his sketches of women and men look the same. The 'Artist' always manages to draw people who loo0k like middle eastern terrorists.

I am astounded that this person gets used so much, because when you get to see a phot of the actual person, there are no similarities. And tonight in particular, they had drawings alongside photos of the same person, which only made it more obvious that this person cannot draw.

Yes, I know I have mentioned it before, but it continues to intrigue me that he gets away with it. It is like continually demonstrating over and over again that you are no good at your job.

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Channel 10 is just as bad. Drawing of the liberal bloke alleged to have pinched $1.5 million on news tonight (18/11) followed by a photoof offender. Absolutely, totally, utterly no resemblance whatsoever.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
I really don't understand the point of these drawings. Neither do I understand the point of showing pixelated photos/video footage.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
By law you cannot show the face of a charged but not convicted person in the media in case they are innocent. Hence they draw or pixel.

The drawings are a hang up from the past and because cameras are rarely allowed inside a working court room in Australia. No they look nothing like the person, that's the point. They are supposed to be capturing an emotion or general image to help tell the story, although you can judge for yourself if that's working.

Once they are found guilty then their info is available for release. Should it go to appeal and be awarded then they get compensation or something like that.

If you were arrested and charged by mistake/error how much of your identification would you want released?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
By law you cannot show the face of a charged but not convicted person in the media in case they are innocent. Hence they draw or pixel.
The drawings are a hang up from the past and because cameras are rarely allowed inside a working court room in Australia. No they look nothing like the person, that's the point.
RTT_Rules
Exactly; so why bother drawing anything?  It's completely pointless. We may as well have drawings of The Wiggles or Adolf Hitler.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
By law you cannot show the face of a charged but not convicted person in the media in case they are innocent. Hence they draw or pixel.

The drawings are a hang up from the past and because cameras are rarely allowed inside a working court room in Australia. No they look nothing like the person, that's the point. They are supposed to be capturing an emotion or general image to help tell the story, although you can judge for yourself if that's working.

Once they are found guilty then their info is available for release. Should it go to appeal and be awarded then they get compensation or something like that.

If you were arrested and charged by mistake/error how much of your identification would you want released?
RTT_Rules
The coverage last night of Damien Mantach, the Liberal snot who embezzled money, had many photos of him, and the artists impression was mixed in amongst them. Given it looked nothing like him, what is the point of putting it there in the first place?

I am well aware of the laws about showing a persons face while the matter is before the court, but this 'artist' is appallingly bad.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

By law you cannot show the face of a charged but not convicted person in the media in case they are innocent. Hence they draw or pixel.
RTT_Rules
This is not correct - not in South Australia at least.

The reason for the continued use of drawings is simply that the media doesn't get a chance to take photos of a defendant who is brought in via the back loading dock in a van from the police cells. If the defendant is out on bail, there's no point bothering with the drawing because they have to run the gauntlet of a media scrum outside the building when they arrive and leave.

In some cases, the courts may grant a suppression order preventing media outlets within the same state from disclosing the identity/image of a particular defendant, witness or evidence, and this is automatically applied to defendants or witnesses under 18 years old. Suppression orders are also typically ordered for offences where there are still other related investigations going on (e.g. as applied for a while in the case of Bernard Finnigan, recently found guilty for child smeg while a sitting ALP state MP in SA) but with the suppression order usually being lifted ahead of the trial unless there are unusual circumstances involved - like the Melbourne man whose sentence for incest was recently appealed by the Crown. Pixellating images is used here to allow other content to break up what would otherwise be a very long piece to camera from the reporter, but without breaching suppression orders.

Every now and then someone makes a case that more suppression would be better, but I disagree with this. So long as the rules are well established and the media knows how to report on an ongoing case without prejudicing the proceedings, the current system is the best option in my opinion - or at least it is the least-worst option.

Suppression orders only apply as far as the state border, but they are usually respected nationally. The Bernard Finnigan case was an exception, once it started dragging on a bit too long a number of interstate newspapers published his name out of protest at the secrecy and the implication special treatment was being afforded to a state MP which an ordinary member of the public might not be able to access.

Once they are found guilty then their info is available for release. Should it go to appeal and be awarded then they get compensation or something like that.
RTT_Rules
Completely incorrect.

Not if the media has correctly reported on the facts as they stood at the time and correctly disassociated themselves from the allegations being made. Again using the recently concluded Bernard Finnigan case as an example, the trial was quite widely reported upon at the time, but even if he appeals and wins he won't have any comeback against the media as they correctly reported the proceedings as they happened.

The coverage last night of Damien Mantach, the Liberal snot who embezzled money, had many photos of him, and the artists impression was mixed in amongst them. Given it looked nothing like him, what is the point of putting it there in the first place?
TheBlacksmith

Exactly; so why bother drawing anything?  It's completely pointless.
Valvegear
Tradition.

It's only of any real use where the accused is being remanded in custody, and therefore not running the gauntlet of the media scrum outside the court each day because they are getting driven into the secure loading dock.

Does anybody know if these court sketches are from an artist paid by Nine, a media pool or even the courts themselves? I'm not familiar with these details as applied in Victoria.

We may as well have drawings of The Wiggles …
Valvegear
That would be a great way for a media outlet to get sued!

We may as well have drawings of … Adolf Hitler.
Valvegear
That would be a great way for a media outlet to trash a trial and get a contempt of court conviction that even Derryn Hinch would have shied away from.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
You do take tongue-in-cheek comments very seriously, justapassenger. Did you really think remarks about The Wiggles or Hitler were serious???????
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
In the case of a Nine News artist, a stick figure would have been more accurate.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
By compensation I was referring to govt funded compensation for a wrongful conviction, nothing to do with the media. I have no idea what this is or how much and when it applies.

No idea on laws in Sth Oz and it was only my historic guess for NSW.



Artist representation of a 45 year old man of middle eastern decent with curly hair and a birth mark on his left arm and tatoo on the
right arm with 4 teeth missing behind bars.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
The Nine guy struck again this evening, over the woman who tried to run down a cop. It was a drawing of a middle eastern bloke with long dark hair, and was followed by footage of the real person, who incidentally had largely light coloured hair.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
If I didn't know better (?) I would think that every drawing was designed to present someone as of Middle Eastern appearance.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
If I didn't know better (?) I would think that every drawing was designed to present someone as of Middle Eastern appearance.
YM-Mundrabilla
Yeah, I think that's the only way he/she knows how to draw them.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork




Artist representation of a 45 year old man of middle eastern decent with curly hair and a birth mark on his left arm and tatoo on the
right arm with 4 teeth missing behind bars.
RTT_Rules
Hey! I saw that guy's picture on the back of a Ford Territory just yesterday!
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Hey! I saw that guy's picture on the back of a Ford Territory just yesterday!
TheBlacksmith
If I were RTT_Rules, I'd sue for breach of copyright.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Hey! I saw that guy's picture on the back of a Ford Territory just yesterday!
If I were RTT_Rules, I'd sue for breach of copyright.
Valvegear
... just for the privilege of getting an abstract interpretation sketch when the case ends up in court?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Laughing
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Not my drawing, just randomly found on www.

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