Old ee locos

 
  abtrail Station Master

Location: west coast wilderness railway
going to uk u would think tasrail left one here but money must be more important

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  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
Only 13 have been sold
Locos are the following
2100 and 2101 (ZP/ZR)
2110-2113(Z)
2114(ZA)
2131-2138(MKA)

The 2120(ZB) and the two Y class aren't part of that deal.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Only 13 have been sold
Locos are the following
2100 and 2101 (ZP/ZR)
2110-2113(Z)
2114(ZA)
2131-2138(MKA)

The 2120(ZB) and the two Y class aren't part of that deal.
"Z1NorthernProgress2110"


There are the three ZBs still in Perth....

M636C
  Radzaarty Junior Train Controller

The ZB's in Perth don't have a bright future however. They'll likely end up scrapped.
  M636C Minister for Railways

The ZB's in Perth don't have a bright future however. They'll likely end up scrapped.
"Radzaarty"


Indeed, but unlike the locomotives in Tasmania, they haven't been sold overseas yet and could still be preserved, in Tasmania if it was felt worthwhile.

Also, 2120 IS one of the three in Perth, so I assume 2118 is the one not sold overseas which can still be obtained for preservation.

M636C
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
2118 is being retained by TasRail, in what way we don't really know.
  ebr1 Junior Train Controller

Sounds like the group they brought the engines for the mka's.I wonder if they only want the engine blocks out of the locos.
  ebr1 Junior Train Controller

Here's the link to the buyers, might be hope for a body to be left in tassie yet. the society's might have to work together for this to happen , here's hoping.
http://www.heritagetractionrailservices.co.uk/

i see they've started 2150 back up and looks like they will repair the dropped valve.be good to see the old girl back going again.

just out of interest what ever happened to the name the loco that tasrail was running...did this happen or die a natural death.


cheers ebr1
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
Name the loco is still meant to happen....
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
just out of interest what ever happened to the name the loco that tasrail was running...did this happen or die a natural death.


cheers ebr1
ebr1
Polly (the previous highly effective corporate & public relations manager) left the organisation and her successor would have nothing to do with any of Polly's initiatives.
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

Questions  are being asked on a closed UK site re the financial viability and ethics of Mr Andrew Johnson
http://fourfooteightandahalf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=5309
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Questions  are being asked on a closed UK site re the financial viability and ethics of Mr Andrew Johnson
http://fourfooteightandahalf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=5309
jmt
Don't know who Mr Andrew Johnson is, so I tried the link to find out, only to be stymied by: "The board requires you to be registered and logged in to view this forum." Smile
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Questions  are being asked on a closed UK site re the financial viability and ethics of Mr Andrew Johnson
http://fourfooteightandahalf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=5309
Don't know who Mr Andrew Johnson is, so I tried the link to find out, only to be stymied by: "The board requires you to be registered and logged in to view this forum." Smile
Graham4405

Google's cached version of a page is a good way to bypass a lot of forum logins.  Try this link

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4Eljbe3MEtoJ:www.fourfooteightandahalf.com/forum/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D5309+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

Questions  are being asked on a closed UK site re the financial viability and ethics of Mr Andrew Johnson
http://fourfooteightandahalf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=5309
jmt
Don't know who Mr Andrew Johnson is, so I tried the link to find out, only to be stymied by: "The board requires you to be registered and logged in to view this forum." Smile
"Graham4405"


As I stated "closed UK site"

Join at your peril if you are politically correct, sup latte, vote green, object to the profane, or believe in multiculturalism. Run by real beer drinking lads from the north of England who call a spade a bloody shovel

The comments re Andrew Johnson probably too inflammatory or libelous, for the attuned and sensitive moderators on this site, so refrained from quoting. There are a total of 7 replies to the initial post
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
I'm not sure if the UK peeps have gained an export permit from federal government for these loco's to leave Australian waters.
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

You need a license to export locos?

What act or regulation covers this?
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
You need a license to export locos?

What act or regulation covers this?
jmt
There is a Cultural and Heritage Act on movable objects that are 30 or more years old and made in Australia and has a fair bit of Australian content. To have these sold outside Australia, there needs to be an export permit, also inspected etc from federal government.

https://www.comlaw.gov.au/Search/Protection%20of%20Movable%20Cultural%20Heritage%20Regulations%201987
https://www.comlaw.gov.au/Search/Protection%20of%20Movable%20Cultural%20Heritage%20Act%201986

There is links, its in there.
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

Thanks

From 1986/87

Since then the 1460/1502 sold to to NZ would have been just under 30 years old, as would the pair of 1460 to ISCOR in South Africa, and the ex Qld Walkers DH to Vietnam, plus the 2 to Lafarge in Malaysia

However the 34 ex WA and Qld Clydes to FCAB Chile, would all have all been over 30 years old, as would the four EE to Senegal, and the couple that are now in Malaysia, plus the units now scrapped in the Philippines. Ex Qld 2115 that went to Chile in October 2010 had historic significance, as it was the sole remaining 2100 with an original cab/short hood

Apex Industrial have moved 116 units (over 30 years old) to South Africa without any hassles over the last 3 years, why would Tasrail's tired iron be any different?

I guess that the ban if applied would be circumvented by gas-axing the units in Tasmania, and then exporting the engines/generators which would have been originally imported, and not covered by the legislation
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!


Apex Industrial have moved 116 units (over 30 years old) to South Africa without any hassles over the last 3 years, why would Tasrail's tired iron be any different?

I guess that the ban if applied would be circumvented by gas-axing the units in Tasmania, and then exporting the engines/generators which would have been originally imported, and not covered by the legislation
"jmt"


The difference between the eligible ex QR locos going to Sth Africa without restriction vs. the Tasrail locos being nominated under the Movable Heritage Act, is that it may have been the case that no local tenderers / preservationists made application for the law to be applied in the Qld case, unlike the Tas. situation.

As for circumvention of the ban by getting the units scrapped on site, firstly the units would first need to be transported away from ETJ at cost to the buyer for cranes & trucks (as they are not in an accessible location for scrapping) plus they may have to run the gauntlet of the union, senior members of which, support the contesting applicants.

Of course, none of this may make any difference, as the enforcement of restrictions on exporting cultural heritage is usually pretty weak and ineffectual. In this country (and state in particular) trees (that re-grow) are considered far more worthy of strict conservation enforcement than irreplaceable engineering cultural heritage.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I suspect the reasons the laws are weak because the govt has increasingly seen a lack of ongoing non-govt funds to support the numerous preservation claims and rapidly declining Australia engineering content as well the move away from steam era technology to diesel and spark.
  Floody Locomotive Driver

I think it is highly doubtful there would be any challenge made to export. If there is so much as 100 people concerned about the cultural heritage aspects I'd be amazed, gobsmacked if even collectively a legal challenge was mounted. If they didn't go they'd meet the torch as nobody has means to purchase, except if they wrangle some kind of token price/goodwill agreement with Tasrail.
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
If they didn't go they'd meet the torch as nobody has means to purchase, except if they wrangle some kind of token price/goodwill agreement with Tasrail.
"Floody"


That's not quite right. The main Tas. group has several thousand dollars raised ready to offer and one individual in particular associated with that group had $10K ready to bid for one of the locos.

Scrap would be a cost to Tasrail, as the price for transport away and labour to break them up would not be covered by the scrap proceeds at the current prices, so the Tasrail would need to pay the scrappers substantial money to take them.

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