PN Tocumwal Service to shunt Mooroopna tonight

 
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
If it ends up that they are not using rail, it will be interesting to understand why.

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Have they already made that decision ?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
No they haven't.  Ill admit, I'm doing a disservice by suggesting something based on upthread comments only (mainly @brownhillboy 's comments).  Ill await clarification before jumping the gun any further.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
My experience with such start ups is they can take sometime to bed in.   The restart of the Deni rice train was initially hit and miss.  In the case of Mooroopna, I think QUBE will be really trying to give the client a good deal.  QUBE with the paper train and the rice trains have been delivering pretty consistent levels of service reliability.  They MIGHT have in mind with the restricted siding arrangements there to place rakes for loading and then shuttle them to/from Shepparton Yard very similar to the Harefield-Junee operation.  Whatever it be its still very encouraging to see some additional regional freight business back on rail.
  NSWGR8022 Chief Train Controller

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
The above about breaking up the train is only a short distance so they would not have far to travel and the crew could have a building in which to rest and a place to eat etc. How long will the daily trains need to be to cater for the business and when are the services due to start?
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

My experience with such start ups is they can take sometime to bed in.   The restart of the Deni rice train was initially hit and miss.  In the case of Mooroopna, I think QUBE will be really trying to give the client a good deal.  QUBE with the paper train and the rice trains have been delivering pretty consistent levels of service reliability.  They MIGHT have in mind with the restricted siding arrangements there to place rakes for loading and then shuttle them to/from Shepparton Yard very similar to the Harefield-Junee operation.  Whatever it be its still very encouraging to see some additional regional freight business back on rail.
Trainplanner
Which is why I bought a shed load of QUBE shares....well, my SMSF did.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Can you describe how harefield/Junee works ?
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Harefield Siding is limited in length. QUBE operates into Junee and then operates a series of shorter length shuttles into Harefield to unload/reload containers.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
We are now almost at the end of January 2016 is there an update o nthe status of the new loading at this terminal or has the rail project died?
  emmastreet Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
I don't think Mooroopna has been used since Qube were here on October 1st.
  emmastreet Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
Patrick's stacker minus the mast was taken away this morning. Mast is on the back of a semi trailer in the compound. Stacker belonging to Kreska's (?) is still there.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Looking at their website, its pretty quiet on any detail.  It only mentions that their dairy business is growing slower than expected.  Surprising given the recent surge in demand for formula.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Patrick's stacker minus the mast was taken away this morning. Mast is on the back of a semi trailer in the compound. Stacker belonging to Kreska's (?) is still there.
emmastreet

Clearing the site for a new operator?
  emmastreet Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
Patrick's stacker minus the mast was taken away this morning. Mast is on the back of a semi trailer in the compound. Stacker belonging to Kreska's (?) is still there.

Clearing the site for a new operator?
bevans
I hope so.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Looking at their website, its pretty quiet on any detail.  It only mentions that their dairy business is growing slower than expected.  Surprising given the recent surge in demand for formula.
james.au
Lack of rain and Irrigation water allocation, would be a major reason !
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
No its demand side - slower sales into China.

Refer to the August 15 presentation on page 13 (this is the latest info I've found)

http://www.ffgl.com.au/investor-presentations



Can we go back and do a sense check on the 1500 40' TEU per month though - is this right?  @brownhillboy, do you have a source (I'm hoping you're still around!)
  brownhillboy Train Controller

Guilty of a typo here - it should be 500 containers per month. This information was contained from page 11 of a Port of Melbourne Select Committee meeting on September 29 2015.
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This document has some fascinating reading, and seems to indicate that there is a good future for the Mooroopna Terminal.

ps: Sorry about the strange addition to the link which I don't know how to fix.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
@brownhillboy - thanks for this, a fascinating read.  And no worries about the correction!

The quarantine section was particularly interesting. how are the tailgate inspections done for containers that are railed out??
  Beta4Me Locomotive Driver

Qube have the Mooroopna site, taking it off Patrick. Ran 1 train for Kreskas after they both raved about how amazing it would be (really, you should see how Kreskas talked about it in the transcripts to the Port of Melbourne lease inquiry) but managed to piss them off and there's been no more and won't be. Sounds like Kreskas are happy with running their trucks and think that rail doesn't stack up (as crazy as that sounds).
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
How do you know the relationship went sour?  (Aside from the running of only one train being somewhat evidential....) Was it cost?  Convenience?  Other??
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Qube have the Mooroopna site, taking it off Patrick. Ran 1 train for Kreskas after they both raved about how amazing it would be (really, you should see how Kreskas talked about it in the transcripts to the Port of Melbourne lease inquiry) but managed to piss them off and there's been no more and won't be. Sounds like Kreskas are happy with running their trucks and think that rail doesn't stack up (as crazy as that sounds).
Beta4Me

Great information and update @Beta4Me

When you state Kreskas I assume this is a transport company who has the contract for transport with the producer?

http://kbtransport.com.au/
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
I think there's enough evidence throughout Railpage that the current port and rail regimes in Victoria make it just 2 hard for start ups like this.  I've posted previously that the Tim Fischer Report on rail freight in Victoria proposed that the Dept of Transport of the day form a Rail Freight Facilitation Unit (almost identical to that successfully operating in the UK and also in Business Development departments of a couple of the bid North American railroads) that literally facilitates new start opportunities like contemplated here.   Recall already the amount of rail freight already diverted from Port Of Melbourne because of their high pricing and decidedly negative position on rail access especially from the former CEO.

Where has the approved and funded Inland Port - Port Rail Shuttles project for Lyndhurst, Somerton and Altona gone.   Virtually dead in the water.   In the meantime Port Botany and Transport for NSW and ARTC are steaming along growing rail market share.   Things have to be pretty bad cost and service wise to move the QUBE/Visy rail business out of Harefield/Junee to Port Botany versus Dynon.   The rail operation to Dynon  on a direct, fast and reliable rail corridor is a complete natural versus the much more challenging rail operation to Port Botany, but Port of Melbourne killed that.

What I do know is that all bidders for Port of Melbourne are very big on using rail.   There maybe other concerns about port privatization but just on reduced cost, higher volume and reduced impact on the community having a competitive, efficient pro-rail port operation does it for me.  Simplistic response I know but this should have been a good piece of business for rail in the Goulburn Valley if the settings and process for facilitating rail were in place especially given agriculture is the new growth sector!!!
  Beta4Me Locomotive Driver

Qube have the Mooroopna site, taking it off Patrick. Ran 1 train for Kreskas after they both raved about how amazing it would be (really, you should see how Kreskas talked about it in the transcripts to the Port of Melbourne lease inquiry) but managed to piss them off and there's been no more and won't be. Sounds like Kreskas are happy with running their trucks and think that rail doesn't stack up (as crazy as that sounds).

Great information and update @Beta4Me

When you state Kreskas I assume this is a transport company who has the contract for transport with the producer?

http://kbtransport.com.au/
bevans
Yes, Kreska Bros Transport. They do the Pactum work and I gather they have a number of 'big company' clients predominantly carting foodstuffs.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Yes, Kreska Bros Transport. They do the Pactum work and I gather they have a number of 'big company' clients predominantly carting foodstuffs.
Beta4Me

Also interestingly we have not seen any uplift in the number of containers coming up from Warrnambool after the big announcements (some time ago) of an increase in beef exports from the rail terminal down there.

More smeg?
  brownhillboy Train Controller

Perhaps our Warrnambool correspondent can let us know if the new Midfield cold storage facility is up and running. This was supposed to be the source of new meat traffic directly to the Port of Melbourne.

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