Shrike Models

 
  brissim Chief Train Controller


As I see it there are three options, most to least likely they are:
- The models are located just over half way along the line drawn from Jimmy Hoffa to Flight 19.
- The models are in the cargo hold of MH-370.
- The models never existed in completed form.
Aaron
And its the third option (obviously the most likely) that worries me the most about this whole affair. Shrike has been advertising since the June 2015 AMRM that the 6-wheel tender 30Ts had arrived. I might accept a bit of overly optimistic advertising if they had arrived sometime during the "life" of the June 2015 AMRM - say up to late July. But what possible explanation could Shrike have for repeating the claim they had arrived in August, October, November and now the February AMRMs - a period of 8 months. I know what I think that constitutes and its not "optimistic advertising".

Tony

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  Ixion Models Station Master

Tomorrow night I will be posting another Ixion press release regarding the 30T. It has been authored primarily by our Financial Director, Chris Klein from Hampshire, England. It has the imprimatur of all three principal partners in Ixion Model Railways Ltd.

With most, but not all, issues relating to the manufacture of the 30T now worked through with the factory, it will contain information directed specifically to those modellers who have pre-paid monies to Shrike Models.

Where possible, it will be posted as a document on Ixion letterhead so that its authenticity can be confirmed.

Lindsay O'Reilly
Director, Ixion Model Railways Australia Pty Ltd and Ixion Model Railways Ltd (UK).
  BOLIVIA Station Master

Well it would appear this a timely reminder to all those foamers who wish and hope and pray that there dream loco comes true.All based on what a top bloke someone is as opposed to them having any experience of running a business let alone running a business in another country using another language.
I just had a Eureka moment.
I do recall that a lot of capital has been invested by a multitude of modellers in another company with hopes and dreams that all will come true even after all these years of waiting and advertisements and magazine editorials with ever extending delivery dates and reasons for non delivery.With the purpose of keeping the fish on the line and to not causing a avalanche of requests for returned funds that could cause the company to fold.
How bad would that one be !
As i am aware the only manufacturer who trades as a business in this train business is Trainbuilder.
He advertises his intended model and  when he is assured of the model being viable with only pre orders and no deposit ,produces the model and when it is ready for delivery you pay for it.
Now call me old fashion but this is how any business should be run even a train business.
So back to the Shrike saga.
So even if they did sell the project on to another company then those funds would be available to repay deposits taken for the undelivered goods ,if no clause had been written into the sale documents requiring the new owners to honor any deposits taken for the product.
Maybe there is some common ground to these two company's dealings that would seem a conflict of interest to some.
But I fear all may be lost for these poor unfortunate dreamers.And the only hope for them is to Badger the new and old owners into doing the right thing.
  Jade Wuiske Train Controller

Location: Queensland
As i am aware the only manufacturer who trades as a business in this train business is Trainbuilder.
He advertises his intended model and  when he is assured of the model being viable with only pre orders and no deposit ,produces the model and when it is ready for delivery you pay for it.
Now call me old fashion but this is how any business should be run even a train business.
BOLIVIA

Nope, not the only one.
  Ixion Models Station Master

Tomorrow night I will be posting another Ixion press release regarding the 30T. It has been authored primarily by our Financial Director, Chris Klein from Hampshire, England. It has the imprimatur of all three principal partners in Ixion Model Railways Ltd.

With most, but not all, issues relating to the manufacture of the 30T now worked through with the factory, it will contain information directed specifically to those modellers who have pre-paid monies to Shrike Models.

Where possible, it will be posted as a document on Ixion letterhead so that its authenticity can be confirmed.

Lindsay O'Reilly
Director, Ixion Model Railways Australia Pty Ltd and Ixion Model Railways Ltd (UK).
"Ixion Models"
  Ixion Models Station Master

STATEMENT FROM IXION MODELS RAILWAYS LTD

15 February, 2016


Ixion Model Railways Ltd recently announced the acquisition of the rights, design and tools to the Shrike Models HO scale NSWGR C30T 4-6-0 model locomotive from the new owner of those rights.

Ixion Model Railways Ltd was incorporated in England in 2007 financed by a mix of equity and loans from the six founding shareholders and four directors. The executive directors are Christopher Klein, a UK citizen, and Lindsay O’Reilly and Phil Badger, both Australian citizens. The ownership and management has not changed since incorporation.

Ixion Model Railways Ltd has successfully brought to market five models and has sold over 5,200 locomotives and railmotors of British and Australian prototypes, in three scales.

The company is profitable, solvent and liquid and pays UK Corporation Tax and Value Added Tax (VAT). The annual reports and accounts can be downloaded from the UK Companies House website for GBP1. Ixion Model Railways Ltd banks with Lloyds Bank plc, and there is no mixing of company and personal funds. The accounts are subject to a full audit every year.

The HO scale NSWGR 32 Class 4-6-0 locomotive is fully funded. The money is held in cash in the bank, ready to pay for production and shipping to Australia. The production run will commence after Chinese New Year, 2016.

In 2015, the directors of Ixion Model Railways Ltd incorporated a new company in Australia, [i]Ixion Model Railways Australia Pty Ltd[/i]. The shareholders are Chris Klein, Lindsay O’Reilly and Phil Badger. We decided to do this because almost all sales of the 32 Class will be in Australia, and we believed it was more ethical to manage the finances locally, including the collection and payment of Australian taxes. Ixion Model Railways Australia Pty Ltd operates a business account with the National Australia Bank.

Although under no obligation to do so, it is the intention of Ixion Models as a matter of goodwill to honour the pre-paid advance sales of the ex-Shrike 30T locomotive.[/size][/font][/b][font=verdana][size=1] We expect to start manufacture of the 30T when revenue from the sales of the 32 Class is sufficient to cover the costs of production. We will have to raise the price by up to AU$85 because of increased costs, and unfavourable exchange rate changes. This will be payable by pre-purchasers, but we will [b][u]not[/u][/b] collect the extra payment until the models are ready for shipping. We hope to confirm the retail price shortly.

We are in possession of the Shrike Models pre-paid orders list. We are considering an option whereby any customer who ordered [b]four or more 30Ts[/b] from Shrike can opt to drop one loco off their order, and pay no additional monies before receiving their models. This is to be confirmed.

The shareholders of Ixion will be sacrificing approximately $63,000 of revenue in order to fulfil the obligations of the Shrike Models pre-sales. We trust that those who have paid for 30T locomotives will be patient as we sort out these matters,[color=#ff0000] [/color]and ensure that all parties will be happy in the end.



Christopher Klein
Financial Director


Phillip Badger
Technical Director


Lindsay O’Reilly
Marketing Director

Ixion Model Railways Ltd.


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  Ixion Models Station Master

Sorry, I have no idea why my previous post has come out as tiny text. For ease of reading this statement from Ixion Models, please visit our Blog at http://ixionmodels.blogspot.com.au/2016/02/statement-from-ixion-model-railways-ltd.html
or our Facebook page - search "Ixion Models".

If someone knows how to repost as 'normal' text, I would be grateful.

Lindsay O'Reilly.


( Lindsay, happy to help, have reformatted the text to bare text, hope that help everyone -dthead, mod )
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
As requested in a 'normal' text:

STATEMENT FROM IXION MODELS RAILWAYS LTD

15 February, 2016.

Ixion Model Railways Ltd recently announced the acquisition of the rights, design and tools to the Shrike Models HO scale NSWGR C30T 4-6-0 model locomotive from the new owner of those rights.

Ixion Model Railways Ltd was incorporated in England in 2007 financed by a mix of equity and loans from the six founding shareholders and four directors.  The executive directors are Christopher Klein, a UK citizen, and Lindsay O’Reilly and Phil Badger, both Australian citizens. The ownership and management has not changed since incorporation.

Ixion Model Railways Ltd has successfully brought to market five models and has sold over 5,200 locomotives and railmotors of British and Australian prototypes, in three scales.

The company is profitable, solvent and liquid and pays UK Corporation Tax and Value Added Tax (VAT). The annual reports and accounts can be downloaded from the UK Companies House website for GBP1. Ixion Model Railways Ltd banks with Lloyds Bank plc, and there is no mixing of company and personal funds. The accounts are subject to a full audit every year.

The HO scale NSWGR 32 Class 4-6-0 locomotive is fully funded. The money is held in cash in the bank, ready to pay for production and shipping to Australia. The production run will commence after Chinese New Year, 2016.

In 2015, the directors of Ixion Model Railways Ltd incorporated a new company in Australia, Ixion Model Railways Australia Pty Ltd. The shareholders are Chris Klein, Lindsay O’Reilly and Phil Badger. We decided to do this because almost all sales of the 32 Class will be in Australia, and we believed it was more ethical to manage the finances locally, including the collection and payment of Australian taxes. Ixion Model Railways Australia Pty Ltd operates a business account with the National Australia Bank.

Although under no obligation to do so, it is the intention of Ixion Models as a matter of goodwill to honour the pre-paid advance sales of the ex-Shrike 30T locomotive. We expect to start manufacture of the 30T when revenue from the sales of the 32 Class is sufficient to cover the costs of production.  We will have to raise the price by up to AU$85 because of increased costs, and unfavourable exchange rate changes. This will be payable by pre-purchasers, but we will not collect the extra payment until the models are ready for shipping. We hope to confirm the retail price shortly.

We are in possession of the Shrike Models pre-paid orders list. We are considering an option whereby any customer who ordered four or more 30Ts from Shrike can opt to drop one loco off their order, and pay no additional monies before receiving their models. This is to be confirmed.

The shareholders of Ixion will be sacrificing approximately $63,000 of revenue in order to fulfil the obligations of the Shrike Models pre-sales. We trust that those who have paid for 30T locomotives will be patient as we sort out these matters, and ensure that all parties will be happy in the end.

Christopher Klein

Financial Director



Phillip Badger

Technical Director



Lindsay O’Reilly

Marketing Director




Ixion Model Railways Ltd.
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Lindsay,

Thanks for the way you have provided the punters on Railpage with information that should placate the concerns of those who expressed concern.  Well handled.

One thing that I wonder about, and in view of your action in keeping all informed of what is happening I feel like a trouble maker asking.  Anyhow, with apologies, why did Ixion Model Railways Ltd buy the 30T design and tools and not Ixion Model Railways Australia Pty Ltd?  I know many of the shareholders are involved in both companies, but they are distinct enterprises so if the Oz company is going to sell the 30T why did that company not buy the design and tools?

It is up to Phil Badger whether he wishes to clarify his role in Shrike and Ixion. If he has been involved in both it could clear the air if he makes a public statement - not essential - up to him.

Best regards,
John
  Ixion Models Station Master

Lindsay,

Thanks for the way you have provided the punters on Railpage with information that should placate the concerns of those who expressed concern.  Well handled.

One thing that I wonder about, and in view of your action in keeping all informed of what is happening I feel like a trouble maker asking.  Anyhow, with apologies, why did Ixion Model Railways Ltd buy the 30T design and tools and not Ixion Model Railways Australia Pty Ltd?  I know many of the shareholders are involved in both companies, but they are distinct enterprises so if the Oz company is going to sell the 30T why did that company not buy the design and tools?

It is up to Phil Badger whether he wishes to clarify his role in Shrike and Ixion. If he has been involved in both it could clear the air if he makes a public statement - not essential - up to him.

Best regards,
John
John_Bushell
John,
Simple answer: Ixion Model Railways Ltd (the UK company) has the cash in the bank to pay the bills associated with this project at this stage of its life. Online presales of our 32 have all been via our UK PayPal account, so that's where the majority of the cash is.

Phil is blameless in the matter of Shrike Models. As stated clearly in my previous communications, he was hired by Shrike Models to oversee the 30T project; he was never a partner, as Geoff Hope continually suggested; nor has he yet received any remuneration for all his efforts. He is a co-founder and co-owner of Ixion Models in both its iterations. This is the extent of his involvement in the two companies; any suggestion otherwise is a falsehood, and I urge you not to entertain any "alternate theory". No conspiracy exists, except in the minds of people who prefer surmise over fact.

Lindsay.
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller

So Shrike models are not paying the dollar difference for the 30T project .

So they have broking the contract with its customers for the 30T project.

So the big question is do Shrike models have any money for refunds for both of their failed projects .


Government departments might be getting phone calls this week from its unhappy customers about the shrike model mess
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

I thought the issue was around an Rx, not 30T, or 32?


STATEMENT FROM IXION MODELS RAILWAYS LTD

** SKIP A LOT OF THE QUOTE THAT'S IRRELEVANT **

Although under no obligation to do so, it is the intention of Ixion Models as a matter of goodwill to honour the pre-paid advance sales of the ex-Shrike 30T locomotive. We expect to start manufacture of the 30T when revenue from the sales of the 32 Class is sufficient to cover the costs of production.  We will have to raise the price by up to AU$85
Ixion Models

You say at first you are going to honour the pre-paid post, but further along, you claim that you will have to raise the price. I'm not saying that's what it is, but that's what it sounds like.

IF that is the case, if I brought an item from any shop, I would hand over no more than the original price, not the increased price that a shop owner say it is.
  Ixion Models Station Master

I thought the issue was around an Rx, not 30T, or 32.


STATEMENT FROM IXION MODELS RAILWAYS LTD

** SKIP A LOT OF THE QUOTE THAT'S IRRELEVANT **

Although under no obligation to do so, it is the intention of Ixion Models as a matter of goodwill to honour the pre-paid advance sales of the ex-Shrike 30T locomotive. We expect to start manufacture of the 30T when revenue from the sales of the 32 Class is sufficient to cover the costs of production.  We will have to raise the price by up to AU$85
You say at first you are going to honour the pre-paid post, but further along, you claim that you will have to raise the price. So what it is?

IF that is the case, if I brought an item, I would hand over no more than the original price.
Newcastle Express
The final selling price for the 30T will rise for the reasons outlined in the statement; rises in production (and shipping) costs, and significant changes in the exchange rate. Our funds are in a UK bank in GBP, and in the NAB in $AU, but all payments to the factory are in $US.

If you have pre-paid for a 30T, we will supply the loco for a small additional cost - no more than $85 - which will be announced in due course. If you are unwilling to do so, that is your prerogative.
If you have not, then the retail price of the 30T when released will be that which Ixion will set; purchase will then be a customer decision, as is the case with any model from any supplier.

May I ask if you are a pre-paid Shrike purchaser? If not, then, of course, what you 'would' do with your money is, and always should be, your business only.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
The final selling price for the 30T will rise for the reasons outlined in the statement; rises in production (and shipping) costs, and significant changes in the exchange rate. Our funds are in a UK bank in GBP, and in the NAB in $AU, but all payments to the factory are in $US.

If you have pre-paid for a 30T, we will supply the loco for a small additional cost - no more than $85 - which will be announced in due course. If you are unwilling to do so, that is your prerogative.
If you have not, then the retail price of the 30T when released will be that which Ixion will set; purchase will then be a customer decision, as is the case with any model from any supplier.

May I ask if you are a pre-paid Shrike purchaser? If not, then, of course, what you 'would' do with your money is, and always should be, your business only.
Ixion Models

Ixion, I am glad you are trying to salvage something from this mess. But any increase in cost ($85?) is Geoff Hope's problem, not ours.
  Albert Chief Commissioner

Pretty much how I thought it had/would happen. Ixion are taking a hit for it.

The simple reality is now, if you have ordered a 30T, you pay the increase to Ixion or seek a full refund from Shrike. I get the impression that Shrike is out of money for the 30T project so the latter would be problematic.
  asj2606 Beginner

Even with an extra $85 to pay pre-order customers are getting a pretty good deal overall. $545 for an rtr steam loco seems reasonable compared to recent deliveries and the same as Ixion's c32.

After all this it had better be good...
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Can Ixion please save us the trouble of having to source these audited books we keep getting told about (as if it makes much difference) and just tell us who they paid for the tooling?
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

Can Ixion please save us the trouble of having to source these audited books we keep getting told about (as if it makes much difference) and just tell us who they paid for the tooling?
Aaron

AND what difference would that make Aaron?

AND who said that they paid for the tooling, they keep referring to the 'new owner'.

They've laid a very favourable deal on the table, not what everyone might have wanted, but much better than the other possibilities.

Paul
  Albert Chief Commissioner

Can Ixion please save us the trouble of having to source these audited books we keep getting told about (as if it makes much difference) and just tell us who they paid for the tooling?
Aaron
Other than to satisfy curiosity, what purpose would that information serve?
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller

Can Ixion please save us the trouble of having to source these audited books we keep getting told about (as if it makes much difference) and just tell us who they paid for the tooling?
Aaron
Other than to satisfy curiosity, what purpose would that information serve?
"Albert"


To see if Geoff hope sold the  tooling to Geoff hope under a different business name .

Then Geoff hope thinking he can just walk away from all those contracts for the 30T which where losing money ?

and then he thinks he can start on the Rx class project like nothing had happen .


It might be nice for Geoff hope to make a statement if you wont a refund you will get it for both projects .

instead of silence .

There is people on Railpage and shrike models face book page saying that they have been asking for a refund for sometime but have got nothing .
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
It might be nice for Geoff hope to make a statement if you wont a refund you will get it for both projects .

instead of silence .
BIG-BEAR
Let them post on the Facebook site then Bear.  Had enough here.  The poor bugger is in hospital as I hear it.

Time to lock this thread.  RIP Shrike.
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller

It might be nice for Geoff hope to make a statement if you wont a refund you will get it for both projects .

instead of silence .
BIG-BEAR
Let them post on the Facebook site then Bear.  Had enough here.  The poor bugger is in hospital as I hear it.

Time to lock this thread.  RIP Shrike.
"John_Bushell"


If you have had enough of this topic John Bushell  then don't look at this thread .

The hobby can bring people together but the loss of money will tear people apart . Shrike models is not a charity .

There is some funny business going on behind the scenes and the customers wont the truth why Geoff hope can just leave the 30T project ( Braking contracts ) and then he is thinking he can just start the Rx class project like nothing happened .
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
It might be nice for Geoff hope to make a statement if you wont a refund you will get it for both projects .

instead of silence .
Let them post on the Facebook site then Bear.  Had enough here.  The poor bugger is in hospital as I hear it.

Time to lock this thread.  RIP Shrike.


If you have had enough of this topic John Bushell  then don't look at this thread .

The hobby can bring people together but the loss of money will tear people apart . Shrike models is not a charity .

There is some funny business going on behind the scenes and the customers wont the truth why Geoff hope can just leave the 30T project ( Braking contracts ) and then he is thinking he can just start the Rx class project like nothing happened .
BIG-BEAR
It is obvious to me he thought he was doing it honorably. In truth he may have been stooged badly Who sends a final payment to a factory locking in a container on a ship and a date, then advertises in the magazine and on social media, when he knows the cheque is going to bounce?  something does not add up for sure.
Rod Young
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The answer to my question matters a lot! There is a something very malodorous about all this. My nose gets scents of both rat and fish.

I have no money in any of the projects, I would have had money invested in the Rx, but saw enough 'unlikelyness' to not bother until something looked likely. So at the end of the day I only care as a person concerned about the hobby in general and the prepaid/deposited business model, and the potential burning of customers of such.

Lots of things might seem to look or sound okay, but when you properly consider them there seems to be some very strange things surrounding this saga.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
It is obvious to me he thought he was doing it honorably. In truth he may have been stooged badly Who sends a final payment to a factory locking in a container on a ship and a date, then advertises in the magazine and on social media, when he knows the cheque is going to bounce?  something does not add up for sure.
Rod Young
comtrain

Sounds like someone who is in way over their head and keeps digging hoping it will all come right in the end.

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