Photo of "bunker" at chullora

 
  markmeow Locomotive Driver

Hello,

Does anyone have a photo of the entrance or inside the alleged "bunker" in cutting at chullora rail yards?

Regards,

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  doridori Chief Commissioner

Hello,

Does anyone have a photo of the entrance or inside the alleged "bunker" in cutting at chullora rail yards?

Regards,
"markmeow"

Citation required!
  HMC1989 Chief Commissioner

Location: Behind a desk.
Citation granted. Very Happy
And as Cartman would say "Respect my authoritie" Laughing
Cheers
  5814 Chief Train Controller

I don't have any photos to offer but perhaps some clarification, but I think we'll find this thread is intended to refer to the bunker supposedly  constructed years ago to hold goods misappropriated by then NSWGR staff from goods trains, thus we are talking Enfield, not Chullora, they are quite distinct places ...
  doridori Chief Commissioner

I don't have any photos to offer but perhaps some clarification, but I think we'll find this thread is intended to refer to the bunker supposedly  constructed years ago to hold goods misappropriated by then NSWGR staff from goods trains, thus we are talking Enfield, not Chullora, they are quite distinct places ...
"5814"

That one's totally new to me.
I've heard of the other one before, yet am yet to see proof, either cited in documentation or photographic evidence.
  ozibob Assistant Commissioner

Location: Parkes Australia
A quick google about the 'Bunker"
Site 1
Wiki 1
URL text

Sorry no images just info
  spartanlegend Station Staff

A quick google about the 'Bunker"
Site 1
Wiki 1
URL text

Interesting stuff, I wonder what they are hiding down there. Though if wiki is to be trusted you won't get much in the way of photo's these days.

The doors to this "bunker" were welded up sometime during the late 1980s. The steel doors are no longer visible, and the associated area has been back filled.
  TheLoneGunMan Assistant Commissioner

Location: At NF88.7 taking pictures
Hi All,

Just to get off subject a little, I remember getting told by a signaller friend that there was an old area under the State Meat Works with endless sidings of old trains, including red rattlers and country passenger cars. I half believed what he said, but never went looking.

Mike P
  NR121 Junior Train Controller

Interesting about the meat works and the Bunker, I remember years ago,  a place under central that had some very strange rail equipment (I was only a station assistant then) but was told to forget about the palce. Come to think of it, didn't the SRA conduct tours of Central Railway Station, tunnels and from one platform to the others, 1 through 10 or something.
  HMC1989 Chief Commissioner

Location: Behind a desk.
Many years ago when I was an apprentice at PA sidings, my tradesperson at the time took me to some pretty amazing places under Central. It was like another world under there.
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  TE2815 Minister for Railways

Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
The Central catacombs. I was down there once in 1986 when as a Relief Station Assistant I had done the extra weekly ticket seller window at Gordon and then had to report Central as stand-by to complete shift. Down there moving furniture and lockers around for god only knows what reason, probably just to give us something to do Rolling Eyes .
  borosa Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
A little OT but in the same context, as a kid growing up in the suburb of Tregear near Mt Druitt, we always knew about the history of our area, especially the ammunitions factory (now Ropes Crossing).

There was always talk of Whalan Reserve being an airfield (the looooong driveway leading off Debrincat ave) to service the Munitions factory, but the most interesting story was that of Taylors Hill. Taylors Hill is part of Tregear Reserve, with Wilkes Crescent climbing it. The story is that the hill was man made and contains a massive bunker full of old army paraphernalia like WW2 jeeps and even a B52 bomber! If you excavated the hill facing Ropes Creek, you would apparently find a huge set of doors.

I know there are others on here who grew up in the same area...has anybody else heard this story Question  I'll promise not to hijack this thread Exclamation
  rustypoints Station Master

Hmmm very interesting borosa. I also grew up in the Mt. Druitt area and am familiar with the air-strip that you speak of but the bunker in Taylors hill sounds very interesting. I worked in the Dunheved industrial area for a while and became aware that there were small bunkers throughout the estate. Interesting to note that there was a a story of a 'ghost town' (Ropes CReek) just west of the munitions factory which was relocated to the east of Forrester Rd, becoming Nth St. Marys, apparently due to the mysterious deaths of some of the residents (all munitions staff), this site is closed off and north of the industrial area (can bee seen on google earth). I'm sure there are some very interesting mysteries still to be reveiled from that area.
  5814 Chief Train Controller

Looks like we are deep into urban myth territory now. A buried B52? please. How would it get there in the first place, why would something that expensive be buried, and any idea just how big they are? Just plane silly.

Not sure about the reliability of those sites linked about the Chullora bunker either e.g. the claim that the workshops were built for war then handed over to the railways for diesel maintenance after is plain wrong. It's the other way around, Chullora was opened by 1937, by and for the railways, and then used during the war for war purposes; so the idea of purpose built tunnels underneath to link with other defence sites miles away seems very implausible.

Also of course lots of steam work went on there, not just diesel, also signalling, way and works and more
  johnboy Chief Commissioner

Location: Up the road from Gulgong
My mother worked at ADI St Marys during WW2 and stated that 'stuff' was taken for storage a Chullora. But never mentioned a bunker as she did not know.

As for burring a B52  LaughingLaughing  thats a good one. We are talking WW2 are we? For a plane that wasn't built until the 1950s  LaughingLaughing

They must just of snuck it in overnight after landing on the Great Western Highway  LaughingLaughing in 'whisper' mode and parked it next to the ICBM.
  borosa Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Story like that makes for lots of wow's as a kid though. Urban myths are as good as true at the age I was. Wink

Good point on the B52, but I was just reciting as I remember it being told. Razz As kids we had dreams of digging up that area and making a stellar discovery!
  TheLoneGunMan Assistant Commissioner

Location: At NF88.7 taking pictures
A little OT but in the same context, as a kid growing up in the suburb of Tregear near Mt Druitt, we always knew about the history of our area, especially the ammunitions factory (now Ropes Crossing).

There was always talk of Whalan Reserve being an airfield (the looooong driveway leading off Debrincat ave) to service the Munitions factory, but the most interesting story was that of Taylors Hill. Taylors Hill is part of Tregear Reserve, with Wilkes Crescent climbing it. The story is that the hill was man made and contains a massive bunker full of old army paraphernalia like WW2 jeeps and even a B52 bomber! If you excavated the hill facing Ropes Creek, you would apparently find a huge set of doors.

I know there are others on here who grew up in the same area...has anybody else heard this story Question  I'll promise not to hijack this thread Exclamation
"borosa"


Hi Borosa,

I got told when I played Aussie Rules at Whalan Reserve that the long driveway was an WWII "air strip". I can believe it too because of the ADI site near by.

Mike P
  Johnmc Moderator

Location: Cloncurry, Queensland

Good point on the B52, but I was just reciting as I remember it being told. Razz As kids we had dreams of digging up that area and making a stellar discovery!
"borosa"


B-25, maybe?  That would be a better fit for the ww2 time period. Razz
There seems to be a common thread that wherever the Yanks have had bases, there's tales of wondrous things being buried.  All great "wonder years" fodder. Smile
  zordmaker Train Controller

Location: NSW
A little OT but in the same context, as a kid growing up in the suburb of Tregear near Mt Druitt, we always knew about the history of our area, especially the ammunitions factory (now Ropes Crossing).

There was always talk of Whalan Reserve being an airfield (the looooong driveway leading off Debrincat ave) to service the Munitions factory, but the most interesting story was that of Taylors Hill. Taylors Hill is part of Tregear Reserve, with Wilkes Crescent climbing it. The story is that the hill was man made and contains a massive bunker full of old army paraphernalia like WW2 jeeps and even a B52 bomber! If you excavated the hill facing Ropes Creek, you would apparently find a huge set of doors.

I know there are others on here who grew up in the same area...has anybody else heard this story Question  I'll promise not to hijack this thread Exclamation
"borosa"



Oh come on, is that the best you can do. Why not go the whole hog and claim there are UFO's down there...

p.s. also spent 38 of my 42 years in Magnolia St North St Marys, know the site very well.

There was a bunker but it wasnt underground. It was a huge building
immediately to the north of St Marys station, and was simply the Aust Govt Department of Supply HQ. Closed in late '80s, I distinctly remember attending the auction and buying a heap of old stuff inc old oscilloscopes, cable etc etc. No B52, but certainly some cockpits from old bombers went from memory.

zordmaker
  doridori Chief Commissioner

There seems to be a common thread that wherever the Yanks have had bases, there's tales of wondrous things being buried.
"Johnmc"

For good reason too!
The standard response to surplus material was to cut'n'burn/bury!
  borosa Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Oh come on, is that the best you can do. Why not go the whole hog and claim there are UFO's down there...

p.s. also spent 38 of my 42 years in Magnolia St North St Marys, know the site very well.

"zordmaker"


I could... but I don't believe in them. Razz  Yeah, maybe a B17 Flying Fortress would better fit the WW2 era. Smile

Anyone who lived in the area surrounding the ammunitions factory in the 80's should remember the random explosions that would rock our kitchen window every now and then. I was told they were cars being crushed at Sims Metal, but that was too far away... We were 2 streets away from Forrester Rd.
  Goose Chief Train Controller

I worked there in the 70s and Chullora had numerous bomb shelters and a tank test track. But that's all.
  elhumo Beginner

Beriberi is quite correct, valuable war goods were trashed and buried.    
"Due to the restrictions of the Lend Lease agreement between 1945 and 1949, the material supplied to Australia was assessed as having no commercial value and this meant that brand new, knockdown kits containing vehicles, aircraft, etc. were effectively to be treated as non-commercial scrap. Research shows that some lend lease vehicles and spares were disposed of to the general public at this time through Commonwealth Disposals Commission auctions, but this was probably the result of administrative error.
In 1949 the Australian and United States governments came to an agreement on the settling of accounts of the wartime lend lease program. At this time, there were hundreds of thousands of tonnes of US and lend-lease equipment and facilities in Australia still awaiting disposal. The agreement determined that apart from the return of US Navy vessels, a one-off payment of around US$500,000, some deals involving real estate in Australia and the establishment of an educational exchange program (known as the Fullbright Program), Australia’s lend lease debt had been paid in full. Likewise, any money owed to Australia for reverse lend lease aid was also written off. The stocks of lend-lease equipment and facilities were now owned outright by Australia and most “non-lethal” material was disposed of at auction through the Commonwealth Disposals Commission."
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
It wasnt until years after WW2 ended that it was confirmed that there were 2 Anti Aircraft gun emplacements built and manned to protect the Small Arms Factory (SAF) at Lithgow.
gordon_s1942
? They were not a secret, the South Bowenfels one  (A Troop) could be seen from the main road as there were 4 or 5 heavy guns based there and there is still a gun there (which has been refurbished) There were actually two other sites at scenic hill was a 'dummy' site with wooden guns which stood out... on purpose. The real emplacement was located about 1 km further back, and site is still there (no guns now just concrete), just near the dirt airstrip on Chifley Road.

My father was in the CMF and stationed there for short time as well as Richmond Light Anti Aircraft.

Back on the railway theme, the concept of placing Lithgow in WW2 as an adjunct of the Sydney Fortress Area was not just the SAF, but we had a major dept at Marangaroo, and chemical weapons storage at Clarence in the old rail tunnel.... which was a secret as Australia was a signatory to NOT having chemical weapons.
  firefox Station Master

Beriberi is quite correct, valuable war goods were trashed and buried.    
"Due to the restrictions of the Lend Lease agreement between 1945 and 1949, the material supplied to Australia was assessed as having no commercial value and this meant that brand new, knockdown kits containing vehicles, aircraft, etc. were effectively to be treated as non-commercial scrap. Research shows that some lend lease vehicles and spares were disposed of to the general public at this time through Commonwealth Disposals Commission auctions, but this was probably the result of administrative error.
In 1949 the Australian and United States governments came to an agreement on the settling of accounts of the wartime lend lease program. At this time, there were hundreds of thousands of tonnes of US and lend-lease equipment and facilities in Australia still awaiting disposal. The agreement determined that apart from the return of US Navy vessels, a one-off payment of around US$500,000, some deals involving real estate in Australia and the establishment of an educational exchange program (known as the Fullbright Program), Australia’s lend lease debt had been paid in full. Likewise, any money owed to Australia for reverse lend lease aid was also written off. The stocks of lend-lease equipment and facilities were now owned outright by Australia and most “non-lethal” material was disposed of at auction through the Commonwealth Disposals Commission."
elhumo
And the four 79 Class were an example of lend lease equipment, and were used to shunt at the said St Marys Munitions Factory.

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