Steamrail Victoria | Newport Workshops Open Days 2016

 
  Loco Administrator Railpage 2 Developer

Location: Melbourne
Hi all,

Steamrail Victoria are holding their Biennial Open Days at Newport Workshops - West Block over the March Labour Day Long Weekend.

The details have been added to the following Railpage Event -

https://www.railpage.com.au/events/newport-workshops-open-days-2016

Keep an eye on the Steamrail Website on the Facebook feed at http://www.steamrail.com.au or like https://www.facebook.com/steamrail to keep updated with news and events relating to the upcoming Open Days.

Regards,
Lionel.

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  Loco Administrator Railpage 2 Developer

Location: Melbourne
Open Days Update

https://www.facebook.com/steamrail/posts/10156436928375627

A² 986 is almost painted ready for the Open Weekend. It will have its first public appearance fully painted and this will will also be the last time the loco is seen without its smoke deflectors.



  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Hey @Loco how did the open days go?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Apparently over 5000 people attended, according to their Facebook site.  Unfortunately I couldn't make it due to many other commitments - but I have to say from just the photos: A2 986 looks sensational, and the new paint scheme on K190 is very eye-catching.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
I was able to attend for a couple of hours on Sunday, and quite enjoyed it. Thanks to all the folks at Steamrail (and all others involved) for organizing the event!

Some photos and video of the day, in no particular order:

https://flic.kr/p/EiEFGB

https://flic.kr/p/FdL5jW

https://flic.kr/p/Eijr8s

https://flic.kr/p/ENrQK5

https://flic.kr/p/ENtiBE

https://flic.kr/p/EiFaa2

https://flic.kr/p/F7AqPz

https://flic.kr/p/F5ki3W

https://flic.kr/p/Fg6mg4



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA8i97rlPOY

The A2, K and F208 looked fantastic, and a credit to the work put into them
  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gen X purgatory/urban Joh-land
All I can say is wow, what an event. Little wonder it's only every two years. Well done to Steamrail for putting this on.

Photos here:
http://vicrailheritage.tumblr.com/search/steamrail

Short video pending.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I kind of like the red paint scheme.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
OK, some (probably) dumb questions from a Queenslander with minimal knowledge of Victorian Heritage stuff:
  • K190 looks great in red. Did the K class ever run in this colour and why no smoke deflectors?
  • What is the significance of R707 "masquerading" as R753?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
OK, some (probably) dumb questions from a Queenslander with minimal knowledge of Victorian Heritage stuff:
  • K190 looks great in red. Did the K class ever run in this colour and why no smoke deflectors?
  • What is the significance of R707 "masquerading" as R753?
Graham4405

  • The K class was built at the start of VR Commissioner Harold Winthrop Clapp's tenure, who also bought in the all-over black livery. I'm not sure about dates for introduction of the livery versus introduction dates for the K class, so I'd err on the side of caution and say no, or at the very least it was only for a very short period. Non-accurate liveries have been used on preserved Victorian locos for a while though - R711's Spirit Of Progress-like livery being a prime example.
  • R753 is also owned by 707 Operations but is used as a spare parts source for R707.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
All credit and thanks to those who volunteer at Steamrail without whom we would have no steam/heritage rail in Victoria.

Sorry, but to me the red K is horrific.
  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gen X purgatory/urban Joh-land
The red livery does nothing for me, but I wryly note the Wiki entry re Steamrail:

The group has been criticised by some elements of the railfan community for use of non-heritage liveries on rolling stock.



Edit: video will be here.


https://youtu.be/Nsg2zj8cLtc
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I'm afraid that I am at a complete loss in trying to understand why 190 is now red. Why not paint 986 purple or 761 a tasteful khaki?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Another positive thread turning into the usual RP Waaaa, Waaaa, Waaaa.

All those complaining - how much time and effort did you put into the loco's restoration?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
All those complaining - how much time and effort did you put into the loco's restoration?
"bingley hall"
Many hundreds over a lot of years with R707 thank you.
Can't you tell the difference between a complaint and a fair comment? You seem to believe that if we haven't actually worked on the loco we're not entitled to say anything about it. As far as I'm concerned, Steamrail can do what it wants; I just happen to believe that a red K class is illogical.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
I just happen to believe that a red K class is illogical.
Valvegear
Hence my question above. Yes, it looks good, but there has to be a reason for it, even if it is "that's Steamrail's colours", but then that should be consistent.

As an example (Qld based) Rosewood Railway Museum's C17 (720) is painted brown. It is unlikely that it was ever painted brown in service, as mostly only the last batch of C17's were painted brown with the earlier ones being in black. Rosewood Railway Museum's explanation is that their PB15 (738) is black and so they have painted 720 brown so the general public can tell the locomotives apart more easily. I begrudgingly accept that... Smile
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
All those complaining - how much time and effort did you put into the loco's restoration?
Many hundreds over a lot of years with R707 thank you.
Valvegear
So you don't mind the white connecting rod flutes, the chrome smokebox wheel or the nameplate on 707? They're certainly not heritage.

Personally I'm not sold on 190's livery (I'd have preferred green), but you know what, it's different. That's good enough for me. I'm not a member of Steamrail so I know full well that my opinion counts for diddly squat.

Steamrail do have a policy when it comes to loco colours: K153 wears the same scheme from when VR overhauled it before it passed to Steamrail back in the day; R761 will never change; R711 is so heavily modified that, really, who cares; and I daresay that the A2 will always stay in black. As for the others, well you'll have to ask someone more knowledgeable, but I hope they're not set in stone. Variety is crucial for keeping the punters coming back for more.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
Another positive thread turning into the usual RP Waaaa, Waaaa, Waaaa.
bingley hall
Railfans are railfans no matter what website they're raging on. The upset about K190's colours isn't contained to Railpage, or the internet for that matter. Don't forget about the sheer volume of people in the UK upset that 4472 came back in BR colours and not LNER...
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
..... Don't forget about the sheer volume of people in the UK upset that 4472 came back in BR colours and not LNER...
michaelgreenhill
Yeah.........but their grandfathers drove it Razz
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
So you don't mind the white connecting rod flutes, the chrome smokebox wheel or the nameplate on 707? They're certainly not heritage.
"michaelgreenhill"
I don't remember mentioning "heritage" at any point in my comment about 190, but if it's any comfort to you, I don't like any of the above on 707. You can also add the letter and number plates with the chrome/blue finish; I don't like them either. I learned to live with them for the enjoyment of working on an R.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The red colour is different but sometimes it is healthy to try new things.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
So you don't mind the white connecting rod flutes, the chrome smokebox wheel or the nameplate on 707? They're certainly not heritage.
I don't remember mentioning "heritage" at any point in my comment about 190, but if it's any comfort to you, I don't like any of the above on 707. You can also add the letter and number plates with the chrome/blue finish; I don't like them either. I learned to live with them for the enjoyment of working on an R.
Valvegear
If there's one thing I've learnt from my time around railfans, it's that - by and large - we don't like change.

Much as you grew to tolerate the changes to R707's appearance, I'm sure you'll grow to tolerate K190's appearance. Bearing in mind also that 707 has had those alterations to varying degrees since the 80s; I don't think anyone expects K190 to remain in red for quite that long.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Another positive thread turning into the usual RP Waaaa, Waaaa, Waaaa.

All those complaining - how much time and effort did you put into the loco's restoration?
bingley hall
Unfortunately, you seem to have taken offence at my post but I don't see why.

I have put in years of my time and effort for the preservation movement in my younger days, not that that has anything to do with you.

Yes, I disagree with a lot that is going on in the way of creating synthetic railway history and I think that preservation is becoming the prerogative of modern day Wilbert Awdrys.

Ultimately, I believe anyone (even me) is entitled to offer an opinion or ask a question however ill-informed you may think it is.  

At the end of the day some, including you (and me) still need to remember that courtesy costs nothing.
  NSWGR 3827 Deputy Commissioner

Location: South of the Border
The trouble with Steamrail painting K190 Burgundy and R711 Spirit Style Blue for that matter is that when you market yourself as a heritage concern and as it says on the webpage "Preserving Victoria's Railway Heritage" any time you deviate from these principles you are going to attract criticism whether that's the intention or not.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Personally I like the new look for K190, I get that it isn't genuine, but then again who says every locomotive has to be in 'as original' condition? So long as they leave K153 in its original livery (I assume K153 is in an original state, correct me if I have that wrong) they have the purists catered for. This way K190 offers a bit of variety for the average punter that just sees a big steam train.

Then again, I am also quite partial to R711 even though its livery doesn't make any real sense, I mean its in a livery Rs never wore in service, A livery that was worn by a train that ran on the North East line, yet it is named 'The Spirit of Bendigo'. At the end of the day though, I don't really care because when R711 is hurtling along hauling a consist of blue and gold cars it looks absolutely brilliant.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
For the record all I said in my original post that seems to have upset Bingley so much was:

'All credit and thanks to those who volunteer at Steamrail without whom we would have no steam/heritage rail in Victoria.

Sorry, but to me the red K is horrific.'

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