Last level crossings in Sydney

 
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
It seems that only 14 sets of level crossings swing gates on the Sydney suburban have been replaced by boom barriers, all other swing gate level crossings either having been closed or grade separated.
As scarce as they may be, have there been plans to either close or grade separate the remaining level crossings, including those with footpaths.

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  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
It seems that only 14 sets of level crossings swing gates on the Sydney suburban have been replaced by boom barriers, all other swing gate level crossings either having been closed or grade separated.
As scarce as they may be, have there been plans to either close or grade separate the remaining level crossings, including those with footpaths.
Myrtone
I'm trying to think where the 14 are.

As far as I know the only Suburban line with a LX is the Carlingford Line across Paramatta Road.
Botany freight line has a couple near the airport and the Sandown line has a few but some of the 14 maybe on sections that are basically out of service.
Perhaps the 14 also includes the closed Ropes Creek line LX?

Others maybe on the odd freight siding somewhere.

The LX on Botany are for now probably to remain due to limited number of trains per day. But these crossings would not be easy to replace as terrain is flat.

Sandown line probably has limited future, if any?

Carlingford Line will one day close within next 20 years I suspect, and likely alot sooner to be replaced with LR. Having Paramatta Road exposed to a LX will also limit rail traffic volumes on the line not that there is a huge amount anyway.

As for the remainder of the 14???? Do they include dirt access roads across the Blue Mountains line?

Sydney has always had far favorable terrain to grade separate and a longterm govt support to remove LX.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

there is pine road near Fairfield
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Riverstone
Vineyard
Mulgrave
Windsor (car crossing)
Windsor (pedestrian crossing)
Clarendon
East Richmond
Richmond (pedestrian crossing)

Theres another 8.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

It seems that only 14 sets of level crossings swing gates on the Sydney suburban have been replaced by boom barriers, all other swing gate level crossings either having been closed or grade separated.
As scarce as they may be, have there been plans to either close or grade separate the remaining level crossings, including those with footpaths.
I'm trying to think where the 14 are.

As far as I know the only Suburban line with a LX is the Carlingford Line across Paramatta Road.
Botany freight line has a couple near the airport and the Sandown line has a few but some of the 14 maybe on sections that are basically out of service.
Perhaps the 14 also includes the closed Ropes Creek line LX?

Others maybe on the odd freight siding somewhere.

The LX on Botany are for now probably to remain due to limited number of trains per day. But these crossings would not be easy to replace as terrain is flat.

Sandown line probably has limited future, if any?

Carlingford Line will one day close within next 20 years I suspect, and likely alot sooner to be replaced with LR. Having Paramatta Road exposed to a LX will also limit rail traffic volumes on the line not that there is a huge amount anyway.

As for the remainder of the 14???? Do they include dirt access roads across the Blue Mountains line?

Sydney has always had far favorable terrain to grade separate and a longterm govt support to remove LX.
RTT_Rules
Faulco and Bleakheath in the Blue Mountains plus several Ped X crossings mainly between Springo and Faulco and Medlow and Bleakheath. Oh and Bell. All still manually tested each day.
  torana Station Master

Location: Menangle.N.S.W.
If you think that there are only 1 or 2 Level Crossings left in Sydney, you need to get out and about . Maybe you lead a sheltered life.
There is a Level Crossing at Parramatta Road, Granville-Clyde.Which is well known to motorists.

But go further Afield. They are at Riverstone, Vineyard, Mulgrave, East Richmond, Clarendon, Mile Street/Ham Street Windsor.

And it is the responsibilty of the Driver to use caution when approaching and crossing the lines. STOP, LOOK,LISTEN - and only when the track is clear, should you proceed.

Out in the country there are many Level crossings , as you drive out of Cootamundra there are many close to the township, and out on the road leading to Junee, they are everywhere.

Maybe the writer of this Thread needs to get out more,like i do.You would be very surprised at the level crossings in Sydney and in the country as well.

Dave. Menangle. N.S..W    Torana.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Richmond Line, doh forgot that one.

Blue Mountains was my main assumption as there were at least some on Central Coast, but assumed this was not in the deemed Suburban Sydney.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Are there proposals to remove the last level crossings in inner Sydney, for example the one on Paramatta road?
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
Parramatta Road AKA 'Dog Trap Level Crossing', heaven only knows where it got that name from.
UNless I have miscounted, there are only 2 sets of Gates on the Blue Mountains, one at Falconbridge and the other at Blackheath with a set of pedestrian booms and lights at Medlow Bath opposite the Hydro Majestic.
The was a pedestrian set of lights about halfway between Springwood and Falconbridge, not sure if their still in use.
Bell may have some sort of warning system as there in no pedestrian over bridge there.

I always wondered why they never closed the Level crossing at Blackheath as there is an overbridge on the Mt Victoria side but it is narrow so maybe wasnt considered suitable for that purpose.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

It seems that only 14 sets of level crossings swing gates on the Sydney suburban have been replaced by boom barriers, all other swing gate level crossings either having been closed or grade separated.
As scarce as they may be, have there been plans to either close or grade separate the remaining level crossings, including those with footpaths.
Myrtone

I don't think there is even 14 left. From my counting there is only 10 left on the Sydney network.

General homes drive is not part of the Sydney system but there are plans as part of westconnex to grade seperate. Yennora is a private line into an intermodal.

The only 2 not on the Richmond line is Fairfield and Granville. Fairfield really isn't a problem and Granville is probably going to be removed once the Parramatta light rail is being constructed. The sandown line is shut but will be part of the Parramatta light rail project to Olympic Park.

The 8 level crossings on the Richmond line will be done if needed with Riverstone and Mulgrave the most likely to be first to go.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

If you think that there are only 1 or 2 Level Crossings left in Sydney, you need to get out and about . Maybe you lead a sheltered life.
There is a Level Crossing at Parramatta Road, Granville-Clyde.Which is well known to motorists.

But go further Afield. They are at Riverstone, Vineyard, Mulgrave, East Richmond, Clarendon, Mile Street/Ham Street Windsor.

And it is the responsibilty of the Driver to use caution when approaching and crossing the lines. STOP, LOOK,LISTEN - and only when the track is clear, should you proceed.

Out in the country there are many Level crossings , as you drive out of Cootamundra there are many close to the township, and out on the road leading to Junee, they are everywhere.

Maybe the writer of this Thread needs to get out more,like i do.You would be very surprised at the level crossings in Sydney and in the country as well.

Dave. Menangle. N.S..W    Torana.
torana

This thread is about level crossings in Sydney and not the whole state. There are 10 on the Sydney electric network and 2 that are not.

Outside of Sydney is a whole other discussion.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
The one down near Botany is set to be grade separated within the broader Westconnex project

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/projects/sydney-south/sydney-airport/airport-east-precinct.html
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The one down near Botany is set to be grade separated within the broader Westconnex project

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/projects/sydney-south/sydney-airport/airport-east-precinct.html
james.au

The plan is interesting in that it builds the bridge at a point that expands Wentworth avenue under the railway to general holmes drive. 4.7 metres clearance as well isn't too bad considering what they have to work with in that area.

Riverstone will be done once the government figures out which way it wants to bridge over the railway line. Mulgrave would probably be the next major LC for removal on the Richmond line after Riverstone.
  Throughwestmail Train Controller

Parramatta Road AKA 'Dog Trap Level Crossing', heaven only knows where it got that name from.
UNless I have miscounted, there are only 2 sets of Gates on the Blue Mountains, one at Falconbridge and the other at Blackheath with a set of pedestrian booms and lights at Medlow Bath opposite the Hydro Majestic.
The was a pedestrian set of lights about halfway between Springwood and Falconbridge, not sure if their still in use.
Bell may have some sort of warning system as there in no pedestrian over bridge there.

I always wondered why they never closed the Level crossing at Blackheath as there is an overbridge on the Mt Victoria side but it is narrow so maybe wasnt considered suitable for that purpose.
gordon_s1942
The level crossing on Parramatta Rd is not Dog Trap! Dog Trap Road was where the Main South line crossed Woodville Rd between Granville and Merrylands and was the original terminus of the line from Sydney.
As far as road and pedestrian crossings on the mountains go, there are road crossings at Faulconbridge, Blackheath and Bowenfels and pedestrian crossings at Springwood, Faulconbridge, Linden, Medlow Bath, Blackheath, Bell and Zig Zag.
Before anyone disagrees, Bowenfels is protected by Lithgow Yard Box in the event of any problems and is in Sydney Trains operational area.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Parramatta Road AKA 'Dog Trap Level Crossing', heaven only knows where it got that name from.
UNless I have miscounted, there are only 2 sets of Gates on the Blue Mountains, one at Falconbridge and the other at Blackheath with a set of pedestrian booms and lights at Medlow Bath opposite the Hydro Majestic.
The was a pedestrian set of lights about halfway between Springwood and Falconbridge, not sure if their still in use.
Bell may have some sort of warning system as there in no pedestrian over bridge there.

I always wondered why they never closed the Level crossing at Blackheath as there is an overbridge on the Mt Victoria side but it is narrow so maybe wasnt considered suitable for that purpose.
The level crossing on Parramatta Rd is not Dog Trap! Dog Trap Road was where the Main South line crossed Woodville Rd between Granville and Merrylands and was the original terminus of the line from Sydney.
As far as road and pedestrian crossings on the mountains go, there are road crossings at Faulconbridge, Blackheath and Bowenfels and pedestrian crossings at Springwood, Faulconbridge, Linden, Medlow Bath, Blackheath, Bell and Zig Zag.
Before anyone disagrees, Bowenfels is protected by Lithgow Yard Box in the event of any problems and is in Sydney Trains operational area.
Throughwestmail

It maybe within the Sydney trains operation area but it isn't in Sydney. The Sydney network is bounded by Waterfall, Macarthur, Emu Plains, Richmond and Berowra. Within that area there is only 10 level crossings on the electric network. 1 at General Holmes drive which has plans to be removed as part of Westconnex and 1 crossing at the intermodal at Yennora.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The one down near Botany is set to be grade separated within the broader Westconnex project

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/projects/sydney-south/sydney-airport/airport-east-precinct.html
james.au

Is this level crossing a busy one compared to others on the network?  Being a freight only line I would have thought less than 1 hour per day perhaps?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
It would be reasonably busy.  Its not far from the domestic airport entrance and I've been in traffic along there that may not move for 15 mins or so.  The route is also one of the main routes that pax from the north and north west get to the airport.  So the impact of the LX does have some impact.  But I think the broader picture is to make a more efficient transport path by connecting Wentworth Avenue to General Holmes Drive directly, and cut out the need to join Botany Road (and I think skip maybe 2 traffic lights and make a sharp right hand turn).

There are broader plans though for the rail line, with more work having gone into it to increase capacity.  It is ARTC managed as part of the Sydney Metro Freight network, and once Moorebank and some of the other intermodals are up and running port shuttles will probably increase the use of the line.

Refer to the strategy doc at this link

http://www.artc.com.au/uploads/2015-Sydney-Metro-Strategy-Final.pdf
  Throughwestmail Train Controller

It maybe within the Sydney trains operation area but it isn't in Sydney. The Sydney network is bounded by Waterfall, Macarthur, Emu Plains, Richmond and Berowra. Within that area there is only 10 level crossings on the electric network. 1 at General Holmes drive which has plans to be removed as part of Westconnex and 1 crossing at the intermodal at Yennora.
simstrain
You are correct, but my answer was specifically relating to a post talking about crossings on the mountains. To be totally correct the crossings on the mountains are in the electric network, as they are all under the overhead, and Sydney Trains is responsible for all Network Control (signalling) functions in this area.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
The Level crossing at Bowenfels is a bit of a dodgy one being in a sort of 'No Mans Land'.
I wasnt aware until recently that Sydney Train Control ends and Broadmeadow begins between the Young Street and Coats Avenue overpasses, with signs advising no electric traction beyond them even though the Overhead continues past Bowenfels.

Surprisingly under the old Train Radio system (450.050) despite being so close to Yard Box, reception was very poor and even Coal Stage with the external antenna had problems communicating to there.
And yet, due to a 'channeling' effect, Coal Stage could make a sort of contact with Mt Victoria.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The one down near Botany is set to be grade separated within the broader Westconnex project

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/projects/sydney-south/sydney-airport/airport-east-precinct.html

Is this level crossing a busy one compared to others on the network?  Being a freight only line I would have thought less than 1 hour per day perhaps?
bevans

It's the main freight line into Port Botany. Trains are always running across it and more importantly that area has a high car traffic volume and any time the boom gates are down road traffic gets backed up affecting paths to the airport. I'm surprised it has taken this long for it to finally have plans to remove it.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

It maybe within the Sydney trains operation area but it isn't in Sydney. The Sydney network is bounded by Waterfall, Macarthur, Emu Plains, Richmond and Berowra. Within that area there is only 10 level crossings on the electric network. 1 at General Holmes drive which has plans to be removed as part of Westconnex and 1 crossing at the intermodal at Yennora.
You are correct, but my answer was specifically relating to a post talking about crossings on the mountains. To be totally correct the crossings on the mountains are in the electric network, as they are all under the overhead, and Sydney Trains is responsible for all Network Control (signalling) functions in this area.
Throughwestmail

Yes it is part of the electric network but when you look at the sydney trains suburban map it doesn't have bowenfells on it does it? Lithgow is on the nsw trainlink map. The thread however says level crossings in Sydney and not the Sydney electric network. A small but important distinction.

Outside of Sydney on the electric network is probably about 30 level crossings.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I have noticed for some time that Sydney suburban has many times more stations then level crossings, yet there are still some level crossings next to stations.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I have noticed for some time that Sydney suburban has many times more stations then level crossings, yet there are still some level crossings next to stations.
Myrtone
Remaining Level Crossings in Sydney including freight lines with no suburban trains.

General Holmes drive at Mascot. Due to be removed as part of sydney gateway project.
Carlingford line at Granville. No plans as of yet, train line is an orphan with future light rail conversion possible.
Pine Road at Fairfield. No plans to remove as nearby overpass is available and no significant traffic conditions.
Boola avenue at Yennora. No plans to remove as it is used only once or twice a day from freight into qube's yennora facility.

Riverstone and Mulgrave stations have plans developing to remove the level crossings.

The remaining 5 level crossings on the Richmond line have no plans at the moment as train frequency and road usage are not significant at this stage. However if things change plans will as well.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
I have noticed for some time that Sydney suburban has many times more stations then level crossings, yet there are still some level crossings next to stations.
Myrtone
Possibly because Sydney isnt as flat as Melbourne with many stations 'elevated' or in a cutting which makes the cost of going under or over more reasonable.
Some of the old bridges and underpasses were both narrow and one vehicle wide only which of course over the years have long since been replaced.
Another reason would be the volume of traffic (rail) and number of tracks to be crossed in the Metro area would have made the use of Gates almost impossible to operate.
However, once you were outside the Metro area or where there was little rail traffic and the topography didnt provide for either an underpass or a Bridge at minimum cost, then you had a set of gates.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Another reason would be the volume of traffic (rail) and number of tracks to be crossed in the Metro area would have made the use of Gates almost impossible to operate.
However, once you were outside the Metro area or where there was little rail traffic and the topography didnt provide for either an underpass or a Bridge at minimum cost, then you had a set of gates.
gordon_s1942
I'm not sure what area is being mentioned here.

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