Truck hits same Melbourne rail bridge one day after bus crash

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 24 Feb 2016 12:10
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Just to add variety, a PTV bus has hit the bridge today. Why are we surrounded by morons?
Valvegear
Okay, it's time to review things.

I propose that in addition to passing drug and booze tests, drivers who prang into that bridge should be required to pass an intelligence test. Those with an IQ of under 60 (which I believe is the technical definition of "moron") should be fitted with a GPS anklet and never be allowed on to drive any vehicle on that stretch of road ever again.

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  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Those with an IQ of under 60 (which I believe is the technical definition of "moron") should be fitted with a GPS anklet and never be allowed on to drive any vehicle on that stretch of road ever again.
"Bogong"
Not practicable, I'm afraid. With an IQ like that there's every chance he wouldn't know what stretch of road he's on.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I bet the bus company is happy that PTV insists having their own livery on all busses. Saves them rushing out to the scene with the gaffer tape.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Just to add variety, a PTV bus has hit the bridge today. Why are we surrounded by morons?
Okay, it's time to review things.

I propose that in addition to passing drug and booze tests, drivers who prang into that bridge should be required to pass an intelligence test. Those with an IQ of under 60 (which I believe is the technical definition of "moron") should be fitted with a GPS anklet and never be allowed on to drive any vehicle on that stretch of road ever again.
Bogong
Okay, it's time to review things.

I propose that in addition to passing drug and booze tests, drivers who prang into that bridge should be required to pass an intelligence test. Those with an IQ of under 60 (which I believe is the technical definition of "moron") should be fitted with a GPS anklet and never be allowed to drive any vehicle ever again.

There, I fixed that one for you!
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The problem definitely isn't the bridge. It should be left in situ. Lowering the road will cause flooding problems, raising the bridge will stuff the trams up in all likelihood. The only real way to combat it is heavy fines and driver education, but that'll only go so far whilst people rely on their GPS like a kidney patient relies on dialysis.
raudteejaam
While I agree with your sentiments to an extent, the reality is driver education and fines can only do so much.

Mandatory further driver education can be gotten around. People cut corners like these all of the time. There are many dodgey driving schools out there. As for heavier fines, all this will do is put up the amount of money not payed by offenders who do not pay their fines.

The only true way to stop it happening on such a regular basis is to increase the clearance gap (currently 3.0M).

Option 1,  Raise the bridge. May prove impractical. Would be far too costly as would require the raising of 5 tram lines - 2 for the Rt109 and 3 in the Southbank Yard - as well as the actual bridge itself. would involve lengthy shutdowns of both trams and road.

Option 2, Lower the road (which is most likely but probably not before the 2018 state election). It shouldn't flood if done right, and even if it does, that may happen once a year, a massive improvement on the current rate of heavy vehicle bridge strikes, estimated at about once a week. The only possible issue here would be if there are underground services that are too close to the surface. Tram disruption would be minimal (if any at all), and road disruption should only need to be limited to one lane each way for the duration of the works.


It would seem there is more of an impetus to get this done now. It seems to be a news item every time it happens now, as oppose to the slim mention it was lucky to get in the traffic report before. The Gold Bus incident in January has changed things. I expect if it hasn't been fixed by the 2018 election, it will be an election issue.

Its easy to say "Oh its the drivers fault, they should know better, fine them more, take their licenses away blah blah blah" and its easy because its pretty much right on the money. The only problem is, saying all of that every time it happens hasn't stopped it happening. Sinking the road 1.5M lower will stop it from happening.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
The only real way to stop it from happening regularly is for people to know the height of their vehicles.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Option 3: Install 3m tall steel portals or similar 'kinetic warning devices' (chains, spikes, anti-tank landmines etc) to damage incoming over-height vehicles before they hit the bridge.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Option 3: Install 3m tall steel portals or similar 'kinetic warning devices' (chains, spikes, anti-tank landmines etc) to damage incoming over-height vehicles before they hit the bridge.
LancedDendrite
All of the above, plus an old fashioned klaxon or air raid siren, plus tattooing MORON in large letters on the forehead of any driver that sets the anti-tank landmines,etc off.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Ban ALL trucks, buses from that bridge.


Regards,
David Head
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Ban ALL trucks, buses from that bridge.
"dthead"
Exactly - Montague Street - cars only.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Ban ALL trucks, buses from that bridge.
Exactly - Montague Street - cars only.
Valvegear

Agreed.  This is all that is required.  No expensive bridge works because people cannot drive.  Just BAN the trucks and buses, easy!
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Ban ALL trucks, buses from that bridge.
Exactly - Montague Street - cars only.

Agreed.  This is all that is required.  No expensive bridge works because people cannot drive.  Just BAN the trucks and buses, easy!
bevans
Yes but if they can't read the Low Clearance signs and can't see the flashing lights that are there now how are they going to manage to read the little signs that say "No Trucks or Busses"?!?!

Maybe they need height detectors which set off Road Spikes to puncture the tyres before they hit the bridge!

BG and yes, I am joking.......
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

BG and yes, I am joking.......
BrentonGolding


Actually compared to the cost of hitting the bridge etc, replacing some tyres would be better......

And banning trucks and buses is only remotely feasible if there is a good alternative route.....

Regards,
David Head
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The most obvious alternative route is Inglis St, here there is no bridge, but a level crossing. This is part of a gazetted OD route* (to/from Beaconsfield Pde) and therefore is designed for trucks to use.

Another alternative route is Graham St which has an unrestricted bridge over the light rail. Alternatively for vehicles needing to get to other parts of South Melbourne, they can simply turn into Normanby Rd (before the bridge) and go past Jeff's Shed, and the Southbank Tram Depot, and turn Right into Clarendon St where the trams run at street level.

The most puzzling thing about this specific bridge strike is that it was an in service bus, going by news footage it was a route 236 bus, which shouldn't be anywhere near that bridge.

*OD routes are routes designed for Over Dimension Vehicles to use that have wider roads, no low tree branches or overhanging wires, from memory the minimum clearance on OD routes is 5.0m
  I'm Barely Online Locomotive Fireman

can the mods move this thread to Trams and Light Rail?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Things are improving - the bridge was hit twice yesterday!
The first time was the one-hundredth strike recorded.
I propose that a scoreboard be placed on the bridge. . . it could become a tourist attraction - "Sit here and watch; it won't be long before one of our local morons hits it."
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Why not just BAN trucks and buses from that road indefinately?
  Michelle12 Moderator Photo Overlord

Location: Melbourne
Has anyone contacted the Guiness Book of Records as the number of hits this bridge has had and continues to receive must surely be approaching record proportions?
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Prior to yesterday, the bridge had survived 23 days without being hit.   Not quite the record, but worthy of note.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Vehicles hitting that bridge present a frightening picture of morons behind the wheel who just do not concentrate on what they're doing. And; it isn't restricted to Montague Street - it happens everywhere. So many people appear to take to the roads without understanding one basic fact, namely, when you're behind the wheel, your job is to concentrate on driving - not the music, or the sunset, or the girlfriend, or last night's????? just the driving. Truly, most road trauma is caused by a nut holding the wheel.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Up here they erect big external steel beams for the mugs to hit , beefy truck proof ones . Cheaper than bridge repairs ...
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Actually it's not just trucks that are driven by morons. Not far away from the Montague Street bridge is the Albert Park underpass of the No 96 tramline. Fortunately no trucks seem to prang into it, but it does have a major dip. Therefore there is a veritable forest of signs warning car drivers not to use the low underpass if it has rained and there is water on the road.

So every time time it rains heavily in Melbourne and the media is looking for a way to "illustrate the downpour", all five free to air TV networks, plus Sky News send a crew to this underpass, because there is always some drongo who has ignored the signs and tried to drive through the underpass. Despite the abundance of clear warnings, they go on TV and claim to have been surprised that their engine flooded and water started pouring into their car through the window seals.
  NorthWest Locomotive Fireman

Has anyone contacted the Guiness Book of Records as the number of hits this bridge has had and continues to receive must surely be approaching record proportions?
Michelle12
That would certainly be interesting- the previously mentioned 11ft 8 has video recordings of 105 bridge strikes since 2008. Apparently it is receiving a height sensor that will turn traffic lights red if a vehicle is detected at the intersection right before the bridge. A possible solution.

I've learned that apparently the Montague Street Bridge has a Facebook page with a helpful (if incomplete) pictorial timeline.

And of course there is http://howmanydayssincemontaguestreetbridgehasbeenhit.com/

Sorry about the editing, but for some reason I'm having a lot of trouble linking things tonight...
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
So every time time it rains heavily in Melbourne and the media is looking for a way to "illustrate the downpour", all five free to air TV networks, plus Sky News send a crew to this underpass, because there is always some drongo who has ignored the signs and tried to drive through the underpass. Despite the abundance of clear warnings, they go on TV and claim to have been surprised that their engine flooded and water started pouring into their car through the window seals.
"Bogong"
Spot on! It's happened again today, and just been shown on Seven's News.
  Turbo Thomas Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne

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