Victorian Goldfields Railway (VGR) 2016

 
  Dd893 Train Controller

Location: Castlemaine
Finally found the old VGR thread on page 10 and it suggested I start a new thread.

As you have seen in another recent VGR thread, the Victorian Colonial Express was cancelled last weekend but will be running from this Saturday April 30th and every Saturday through out May.
It is suggested that if you intend to go along for a ride on this train that you book online thru the VGR website. Seats cannot be guaranteed if you attend the ticket window on the day.

Another event coming up is Ales on Rails, these will be held on Saturday May 14th and July 23rd and bookings must be made online.

Steamrail have a number of trips once again to Maldon from Melbourne coming up.
One of their special trips is the Echuca Overlander on Saturday May 21st departing Castlemaine at 8am. Both First Class on Tambo & Macedon is available along with Excursion class this year. Booking must be made thru the Straemrail website for this event.

Cheers, Russell

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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Just to update, it seems that the XYZ cars will finally get their long awaited debut on the Colonial Express this weekend

http://www.vgr.com.au/victorian_colonial_express.php

BG
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Seems that YouTube doesn't like that video.

"This video has been removed for violating YouTube's Terms of Service"
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Seems that YouTube doesn't like that video.

"This video has been removed for violating YouTube's Terms of Service"
mikesyd
Yeah, it looks like Youtube have a problem with users putting too many tags on a video when uploading it, or they just have a problem with lots of train videos with similar tag lines.  I'll try again...
  Carnot Minister for Railways
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Nice vid, but having a relatively modern K class pull the three ancient carriages does look a bit incongruous. I guess it's impractical to have them hauled by the Y class, but even a D3 would be a bit closer to a feel of period authenticity.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Surely these cars are too valuable/fragile/historic to be allowed out regularly.
I certainly wouldn't travel in one!
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Surely these cars are too valuable/fragile/historic to be allowed out regularly.
I certainly wouldn't travel in one!
YM-Mundrabilla
Well they're only going to be running 4 times over the next month and they were fully restored about 50 odd years ago and hardly run since.  I think the last time they actually carried a passenger was Geoffrey Rush (as Supt. Francis Hare) in the last Ned Kelly movie.  I'd rather they actually get a run once in a while rather than see them welded to a short piece of track in a museum.

Incidentally, there are older heritage carriages operating on tourist railways in the UK.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I don't remember how long ago it was, but I seem to recall that these carriages did some runs south out of Seymour down towards the Goulburn River, and back again - steam hauled.
Was it J515 or a K?  . . . someone younger with a better memory may be able to enlighten us.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Nice vid, but having a relatively modern K class pull the three ancient carriages does look a bit incongruous. I guess it's impractical to have them hauled by the Y class, but even a D3 would be a bit closer to a feel of period authenticity.
Bogong
Yes, I agree, as a VGR member and volunteer I can say there was a fair bit of discussion along these lines at Maldon last Wednesday. IMO better to see them run than not but next time the D3 is up would be nice, the Y would be even nicer or lets go the whole hog and get the E class restored to haul the Veteran Set! Donations please.......

Anyhoo, can't stand around here chatting, I'm off to Maldon to (hopefully) do my Hook and Screw Coupler exam! And to think, when the XYZ set arrived I said I'd never go near a Screw coupler!

BG
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
'Hook and Screw Coupler exam!'
Pray tell us what the boffins have made this exam into, please?
How many hours does the exam take to complete?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Is it anything like a hooker and screw exam?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
'Hook and Screw Coupler exam!'
Pray tell us what the boffins have made this exam into, please?
How many hours does the exam take to complete?
YM-Mundrabilla
LOL, not quite sure yet, I have done the written component, tomorrow will hopefully be the prac. Bearing in mind that it is designed as an adjunct to normal Safe Working / Guard training I think this component is 2-3 hours all up.

Basically a lesson in common sense if you have already completed Safe Working but important nonetheless and a great surprise to those of us who thought that we weren't to be allowed anywhere near these carriages with their evil couplers that we had been warned about via the rumour mill.

We have since found out of course that the Hook and Screw couplers aren't that bad at all, still used in Europe and nowhere near the horrors of Link and Pin and some other early designs.

BG
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Ye Gods and Little Fishes.
The mind boggles.
It's just as well that we had the 1927 Black Thursday Wonthaggi pass together before these boffins arrived on the scene.
I hope that the practical takes less time than the written component!!!!!!Rolling Eyes
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Before the Hook and Screw Coupler Exam starts, there will be a test of Boot Lacing & Tying 101, a compulsory fingers count, a vision test to see whether you can recognize what a rail line is, and a test with questions such as, "why do trains have carriages?", "does the engine pull the train, or do the carriages push the engine?", "do you like trains?", and "why not?". Then, if you can spell your own name, and tell the difference between your toes and your teeth, you may get to do the Hook 'n Screw. Unfortunately, it will be dark by then and everybody will have to go home. The bureaucrats will be delighted.
  pheonics The Gardener

Location: Meal room with a hot cuppa
I don't remember how long ago it was, but I seem to recall that these carriages did some runs south out of Seymour down towards the Goulburn River, and back again - steam hauled.
Was it J515 or a K?  . . . someone younger with a better memory may be able to enlighten us.
Valvegear

I believe it was K190 as J515 was out for maintenance around the time IIRC.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Thanks, pheonics; I thought it was a K, but wasn't certain.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Before the Hook and Screw Coupler Exam starts, there will be a test of Boot Lacing & Tying 101, a compulsory fingers count, a vision test to see whether you can recognize what a rail line is, and a test with questions such as, "why do trains have carriages?", "does the engine pull the train, or do the carriages push the engine?", "do you like trains?", and "why not?". Then, if you can spell your own name, and tell the difference between your toes and your teeth, you may get to do the Hook 'n Screw. Unfortunately, it will be dark by then and everybody will have to go home. The bureaucrats will be delighted.
Valvegear
Sad but true.
Completely off thread I know but I accidentally saw a footballer the other day who was actually able to TIE HIS BOOT LACES!
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
Tying bootlaces is nothing.

I once saw a state politician who could find his way to work.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
Before the Hook and Screw Coupler Exam starts, there will be a test of Boot Lacing & Tying 101, a compulsory fingers count, a vision test to see whether you can recognize what a rail line is, and a test with questions such as, "why do trains have carriages?", "does the engine pull the train, or do the carriages push the engine?", "do you like trains?", and "why not?". Then, if you can spell your own name, and tell the difference between your toes and your teeth, you may get to do the Hook 'n Screw. Unfortunately, it will be dark by then and everybody will have to go home. The bureaucrats will be delighted.
"Valvegear"

Heaven forbid that people be trained to do something the right way, to not take shortcuts, and to not not put lives in danger.
  hbedriver Chief Train Controller

Wasn't all that long ago that a professional railway employe in NSW got killed using old type couplers (screw/hook) on a heritage working. Seem to remember that someone on a tourist railway in the UK (was it the well-run NYM?) got killed a year or so back. Not nice, less so for the witnesses. Still, I suppose there is some benefit in allowing people to suffer the sorts of injuries the shunters used to experience in by-gone years; it is "heritage" of a sort.

BrentonGolding, if you are terrified of buffers, and absolutely paranoid about working between rail vehicles, you may get to live as long as I. Hope you do; I've seen enough of the insides of humans, don't want to again. And if VGR is doing some training specifically to manage that horrible risk, that is a terrific thing. There are no short-cuts, and if you start to feel relaxed then you are in mortal danger.
  K160 Minister for Railways

Location: Bendigo
I don't remember how long ago it was, but I seem to recall that these carriages did some runs south out of Seymour down towards the Goulburn River, and back again - steam hauled.
Was it J515 or a K?  . . . someone younger with a better memory may be able to enlighten us.

I believe it was K190 as J515 was out for maintenance around the time IIRC.
pheonics

J515 has hauled these cars as well. It was on a charter for the Rail Tourist Association from Seymour to Nagambie in 1996.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
"Heaven forbid that people be trained to do something the right way, to not take shortcuts, and to not not put lives in danger.
michaelgreenhill


Wasn't all that long ago that a professional railway employe in NSW got killed using old type couplers (screw/hook) on a heritage working. Seem to remember that someone on a tourist railway in the UK (was it the well-run NYM?) got killed a year or so back. Not nice, less so for the witnesses. Still, I suppose there is some benefit in allowing people to suffer the sorts of injuries the shunters used to experience in by-gone years; it is "heritage" of a sort.
BrentonGolding, if you are terrified of buffers, and absolutely paranoid about working between rail vehicles, you may get to live as long as I. Hope you do; I've seen enough of the insides of humans, don't want to again. And if VGR is doing some training specifically to manage that horrible risk, that is a terrific thing. There are no short-cuts, and if you start to feel relaxed then you are in mortal danger.
hbedriver
 
Gentlemen; nobody has spoken against training. Let's make that quite clear. Let's also understand that that's how generations learnt - on the job. But I, like others, fail to see what will be achieved by an exam. I have been between and under vehicles with buffers et al, and I have been very cautious, and have escaped unscathed. The same applies to other potentially dangerous things that I and others have done, without need for an exam (preparing and operating a Detroit Hydrostatic Lubricator will do as an example). We didn't need an exam, dreamed up by someone who doesn't have enough meaningful work to do.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
After their four runs at VGR (I think the last one is May 28th), what will become of these historic cars?  Will they remain at VGR or go somewhere else (where?), and will they be mothballed or be still available for the occasional outing?  I know they are old and fragile, and need careful management, but as they are operational, I'd hate to think of them becoming just a static exhibit somewhere.  Or locked away in a shed, even worse.
  woodford Chief Commissioner


A woodford opinion, you have been warned................

Beware of making fun of current oc health and safety issues, they are there for a reason, the days are well gone when management could sacrifice workers lives just to make a profit.

A small point first..............there's no need to shout we can all read..................

Anyway, Now this is just my theory, but, the reason why such exams for apparently simple things exist is to provide a paper trail for oc health and safety. The legislation provides for a responsible person to take "the rap", say on a gang working on the track the gang leader is held responsible for any injuries suffered by those on the gang. Above him will be a trail of resposibilty. The reason for all this is so the courts can punish someone for any inuries caused by , poor behaviour, bad pratices, faulty tooling, lack of training etc. When one does a course like the above mentioned it goes on record that one has done the course. So if one then has an accident, the powers to be can CLEARLY see the person has been trained.

The idea behind all this is make sure all levels of management know that there is REAL NEGATIVE consequences for poor practices.

The reason the oc health and safety act exists is so that mistakes and poor practices from the past can no longer be repeated in todays society. Accident rates in the past (pre WW2 and earlier) were often appalling.

Hmmmmmmmmmm, I do not know if this is worded as clearly as I would like, I hope readers will understand my point.

woodford

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