German rail operator Deutsche Bahn to axe night train service by end of 2016

 

News article: German rail operator Deutsche Bahn to axe night train service by end of 2016

The decision by Deutsche Bahn to end its night trains in December has been met with criticism from the service's users.

  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The news pore says there are car trains what are these ?

German rail operator Deutsche Bahn to axe night train service by end of 2016

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  RedEyeExpress Locomotive Driver

Location: Melbourne
Superficial Internet research suggests to me that:
  • 'Night Train' = sleeper service with dedicated rolling stock
  • 'Car Train' = Motorail-type service
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Sleepers and motor-rail services are in decline everywhere. My understanding was some Motor-rail services didn't even use rail, the cars were placed on trucks.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Deutsche Bahn do very well with their motor rail (car train ~ auto zug) to and from the Island of Sylt, that has no connecting roads with the mainland.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Deutsche Bahn do very well with their motor rail (car train ~ auto zug) to and from the Island of Sylt, that has no connecting roads with the mainland.
Nightfire
Always easy when you have a monopoly.
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
Very sad, but it is what you expect in today's world. Back in the 70's when I began travelling to Europe (I am currently in Bavaria), it was common to travel in a couchette (6 berths 2nd class, 4 in first class, mixed gender you just removed your shoes and were provided with a pillow and rug.)  You had overnight accommodation and arrived in a city in the morning and went searching for a hotel. I had some memorable experiences sharing with other nationalities and languages.  I must admit I prefer private accommodation today, probably because we travel with more expensive equipment like laptops but it is hard to find an overnight train now in Europe. I travelled from Paris to Portugal in 2011 but it was on a TGV to the Spanish border then a luxurious compartment with private ensuite and good but very late dinner. I tried to book Milan to Paris in 2013 but was unable to get a berth, not sure if that still runs.  So we rush on high speed trains and book hotels on the net.
My only night trains are in North America (extensively in 2014) and I did both the Ghan and the Indian Pacific in 2012. Probably could not afford that now without the pension price. I doubt I will share with a stranger again on an XPT from Sydney to Brisbane or Melbourne.
Last Saturday I travelled (day) for 5 hours from Prague to Munich but have argued online that I considered it preferable to just 4 hours in a bus. Not the most scenic of journeys but pleasant nevertheless. Then there was the internet friend who, knowing I was enroute, sent a message, that I was probably at Prague airport. No way was my reply. I only fly when there is no choice eg Australia to Europe or across the ditch from Christchurch to Sydney. The journey is part of the holiday experience if travelling by train.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Great discussion but am I right now in assuming there are no overnight trains at all in Europe ?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Deutsche Bahn do very well with their motor rail (car train ~ auto zug) to and from the Island of Sylt, that has no connecting roads with the mainland.
Nightfire
The SyltShuttle resembles Eurotunnel's Le Shuttle more than a traditional sleeper/car train, in that it's essentially a ferry on rails.

The demise of the 'traditional' car train across the world started in the early 1990s, when the Japanese car industry started making cars which were affordable for normal people and also reliable enough to travel longer distances without the assistance of a train. The internet has been a big factor in accelerating that decline, no rail system in the world is agile enough to go head to head with the competitive private sector airlines and car rentals.

Great discussion but am I right now in assuming there are no overnight trains at all in Europe ?
freightgate
The demise of the sleeper is progressing but not yet complete. There have been suggestions that ÖBB may continue to serve some of the sleeper routes which DB will abandon.

The sleepers are being replaced, however, with high speed trains running later into the evening than they do currently. This is what the market demands - people have been abandoning overnight trains for the last high speed train of the day, so they can arrive somewhere around midnight and get 7+ hours of good sleep in a proper bed over the night train 'experience' of staggering off the train in the morning after getting a very poor sleep while being chucked around by the train drivers too junior to pull the plum daytime shifts.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Great discussion but am I right now in assuming there are no overnight trains at all in Europe ?
freightgate
Even in the UK there are still London-Penzance and London-Scotland sleepers.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Great discussion but am I right now in assuming there are no overnight trains at all in Europe ?
freightgate
Overnight trains are very common In Eastern Europe where the trains travel slower and highways are poor.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Great discussion but am I right now in assuming there are no overnight trains at all in Europe ?
freightgate

That is incorrect.

https://www.gwr.com/your-journey/journey-information/on-board/night-riviera-sleeper

and

https://www.sleeper.scot/

OK...it is England and Scotland, but it's still Europe and as a strong supporter of sleeping car trains, and the enjoyment of making the journey at least as interesting as the destination, I always make it my business to utilise at least one whenever I'm in the old dart.

Mike.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
An article released by OBB says it not intends taking up the routes being dropped by DB but also will invest in new sleeping car fleet.  I've travelled on OBB this year and last year on their Rail jet and other services. Impressive. The fact that OBB sees a future indeed a profitable one is an indication as to how different administration's approach such business.

OBB are smaller and it maybe that this helps them in being more responsive and entrepreneurial in making a success of the sleeping car service
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
An article released by OBB says it not intends taking up the routes being dropped by DB but also will invest in new sleeping car fleet.  I've travelled on OBB this year and last year on their Rail jet and other services. Impressive. The fact that OBB sees a future indeed a profitable one is an indication as to how different administration's approach such business.

OBB are smaller and it maybe that this helps them in being more responsive and entrepreneurial in making a success of the sleeping car service

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