Jumbos are still going

 
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I don't think Lonsdale is used, my guess is security issues although for a short term with extra security manpower it might work.
steam4ian
That's also the last I heard of it earlier this year, that it wasn't in regular use.

But that was before both a full fleet was delivered and referring to regular usage rather than a big shutdown.

For most of January trains will be running to Brighton and Tonsley so some EMUs will be required as will drivers.
steam4ian
Won't they need DEMUs to operate while rewiring works are undertaken, keeping in mind that it feeds in only at Lonsdale and there is no redundancy..

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  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Justapax.

A good point about the feed-in at Lonsdale. Certainly that is the only substation but I suggest that there is another feed-in point at Tonsley supplied by UG cable from Lonsdale.
I can't speak with authority since the last electrical diagram I saw for the system included the Gawler and OH lines with substations at Mile End and somewhere North (Penfield?).

Ian
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Justapax.

A good point about the feed-in at Lonsdale. Certainly that is the only substation but I suggest that there is another feed-in point at Tonsley supplied by UG cable from Lonsdale.
steam4ian
Interesting. That certainly would have been a smart move to ensure there would be some level of redundancy, I guess we'll find out for sure in a week.

Adelaide Metro have confirmed there will be no electric trains operating today or tomorrow (overnight closures to Seaford from 10:00pm both nights) so there is a small chance that the extra storage at Dry Creek was needed just for this weekend. But if that really was the case and there was no other reason the Jumbos would not otherwise have needed shifting at some point (they probably won't ever leave Dry Creek by rail again) then I expect that stabling in the Adelaide platforms would have been preferred.

I can't speak with authority since the last electrical diagram I saw for the system included the Gawler and OH lines with substations at Mile End and somewhere North (Penfield?).
steam4ian
I believe it was reported on here that the future plans had been updated to save money (and divert those funds to paying for the Dry Creek electrification to be extended to Salisbury) by having just one substation, colocated with an existing SA Power Networks substation off Churchill Road.

What could possibly go wrong? Rolling Eyes
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Found out on a Facebook group today that most of the Jumbos are set to be transported (possibly to Sims Metal) for scrapping any day/week now Crying or Very sad
  Smacks Station Master

Good. No point leaving them sitting in the yard doing nothing.
  Lt. Commander Data Station Master

Location: Stobie Poll City (Adelaide).
That's sad. I'd have hoped a few (1 or 2) went to the NRM or even Steamranger. It's a shame to see them all get scrapped.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
That's sad. I'd have hoped a few (1 or 2) went to the NRM or even Steamranger. It's a shame to see them all get scrapped.
Lt. Commander Data
NRM will get 2, possibly S'ranger as well.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

A way should be made for the cab end of one car to be repurposed into a doorway or lift entrance of some kind at the DPTI offices in the city, complete with a plaque over the doorway reading DON'T Fµ©K IT UP THIS BADLY AGAIN.

While we're talking about relatively obscure rail artefacts, the circuit breaker which blew at Lonsdale three weeks ago should be considered for mounting at the NRM or perhaps at Parliament in the corridor outside the room where the Public Works Committee meets. Apparently there is only one other like it in the world, so it would be of even greater historical significance than the Jumbos.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I don't it's the only one in the world, there's likely two here in SA, what there isn't is a quickly available copy that's not in use. Many installations use custom versions of a vendor's basic stock design, it's not like spares of everything are kept for immediate despatch.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
At tonight's NRM meeting, it's been announced that 2006 & 2112 have been offered to the museum & are due to arrive at the NRM within 3-4 weeks.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
So in keeping with the strictest tradition of the operational service they'll actually arrive in 5-6 weeks?
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

More crap to shunt around NRM!

They will not be allowed out of the NRM because of clearance issues with the 25kV overhead (if it ever gets extended).
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
More crap to shunt around NRM!

They will not be allowed out of the NRM because of clearance issues with the 25kV overhead (if it ever gets extended).
steam4ian
It's not a clearance issue that prevents the Jumbos from travelling under the 25kV. It is the fact that there is no safety for the driver if an overhead came down on the fibreglass cab. The Jumbos are no taller than the 4000 class.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Can they be modified so the driver has more protection (ie metal shield for the overhead line to earth on).
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Also mentioned at the meeting it that sadly a farewell tour for the Jumbos is extremely unlikely to no chance.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Can they be modified so the driver has more protection (ie metal shield for the overhead line to earth on).
don_dunstan
A good question.

Theoretically it is possible to put an aluminium cover to replace the fibre glass moulding. There is still a remote possibility of some part of a downed conductor system piercing the drivers windshield but then drivers on the 4000s face a similar risk.

If it was simple and cheap would it have been done to keep the 2000s running when it became clear that electrification of the Gawler was not proceeding? Or, was it an excuse to write off aging (embarrassing) equipment?

Ian
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Also mentioned at the meeting it that sadly a farewell tour for the Jumbos is extremely unlikely to no chance.
greasyrhys
I'd only be interested if I could put my head out the window! Smile
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Plaque ordered by NRM "Here lies the last of the 2100/2000 series, memorialised as a monument to folly".
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

If it was simple and cheap would it have been done to keep the 2000s running when it became clear that electrification of the Gawler was not proceeding?
steam4ian
Thankfully, the non-proceeding works on the Gawler line only went as far as bonding at stations and putting up a few poles, not actual overhead infrastructure which could slice into a DMU cab.

The case where the modifications would have been necessary (i.e. if OHLE had been put up along the Gawler line and then the decision made to use the 2000s under the wires rather than replacing them with EMUs) is so ridiculous that it would make conversion of the 2000s to SG for Redhill-Millswood expresses seem more sensible.

Or, was it an excuse to write off aging (embarrassing) equipment?
steam4ian
Sounds good enough to me, no need for any extra excuses.

Plaque ordered by NRM "Here lies the last of the 2100/2000 series, memorialised as a monument to folly".
Aaron
While somewhat more eloquent than the text I proposed a few posts back, I feel that my version might have a bit more cut through with its more straight talking approach.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Yours is appropriate for DPTI, they probably need (but likely won't) heed such sage advice. NRM however, that's a family environment, not usually visited by forward thinking government reps looking to procure equipment... (smeg, better put your plaque up at NRM too then)
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The prospect of greasyrhys wetting his pants in excitement while travelling on board should probably put off any government types considering the NRM for procurement.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
So in keeping with the strictest tradition of the operational service they'll actually arrive in 5-6 weeks?
Aaron
Are these gifted DMU's meant to be in an operational state?

If so, 5 to 6 weeks maybe an under estimate!

And on a side note, Has NRM declared the Barossa Wine Train Bluebirds as "Abandoned property" yet?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The prospect of greasyrhys wetting his pants in excitement while travelling on board should probably put off any government types considering the NRM for procurement.
justapassenger
JaP a cyber bully as well. Whoddathunkit?
  Streamliner Junior Train Controller

Location: NSW South Coast
Is there any historical significance of 2006 & 2112? e.g they were the last in revenue service, or are they just the best condition/ easiest to give away?Don't get me wrong, I'm relieved they're being offered for preservation, and beggars can't be choosers.... (any 600, S or 720 would've been nice!) but if 2000 + 2100 aren't scrapped yet it would be good to have the class leaders?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
So in keeping with the strictest tradition of the operational service they'll actually arrive in 5-6 weeks?
Are these gifted DMU's meant to be in an operational state?

If so, 5 to 6 weeks maybe an under estimate!

And on a side note, Has NRM declared the Barossa Wine Train Bluebirds as "Abandoned property" yet?
Pressman
The 2000s should be close to operational, but they will not travel to the under their own power.

The timetable for their delivery has in theory already been worked out (but of course things could change).

The NRM continues to receive rental payment for the storage of the BWT - not their fault the private sector owner of the assets can't get their act together Razz

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