UK looks set to leave the EU

 
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
I heard a news report tonight that pointed out an 80% increase in poms googling "Moving to Australia" since the Brexit referendum.

I immediately had visions of pommy boat people. My next thought was how would our government treat them? Would they turn them back? If not, why not? Will they detain them on Manus Island instead? If not, why not???

As if we need any more sassenachs here.

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  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Estimates are it costs Britain 6.5 billion POUNDS per annum just to stay in the cartel.
Yeah you keep on believing that. Did Mr Farage tell you that and remember the UK received a lot of money from the EU as well.

Michael
Bevans is actually under the true cost...

The UK's EU membership fee for 2015 was 18 billion POUNDS - they received a rebate of 5 billion pounds so their direct contribution was 13 billion pounds. The EU spent 4.5 billion pounds in the UK, so the UK's 'membership fee' is either 18, 13, or 8.5 BILLION POUNDS depending on which figure you choose to accept.

Figures from Mr Farage? Nope, HM Treasury.
So. They also get unlimited access to 400 Million people and considering that London's GDP alone is greater than that of Belgium you can see that 18 Billion is sweet FA to a country as wealthy as Britain.

Michael
mejhammers1
Nice shift of the goal posts. You criticise the original stat, a mistake since it has been shown to be understated, then change to 'yeah, but ... '. In the debating circles I spend time, we call these types of shifts 'the gravity game'. How about this 'but' further digging seems to show the EU's spending in the UK was about 2 billion pounds under the expected figure I quoted from HM T. The cartel's direct cost to the UK is closer to 10.4 to 10.5 billion pounds.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

You cannot hold a referendum and then just ignore it.
They actually can in the UK, as all referenda there are only advisory and have absolutely no legal status.

It will be up to the Parliament to decide what to do about it. I suspect that the course of action which will be followed over the next 12 months will be somewhere near the middle of a spectrum with 'immediately trigger Article 50' at one end and 'just ignore it' at the other.

Unless the Parliament votes to repeal the legislation which set up the UK's official parliamentary petition scheme, there will be a Parliamentary will be required to debate the petition started last November calling for a second referendum if the winning margin was closer than 60/40 and the turnout less than 75%.

With so much at stake (e.g. 45% of Britain's exports becoming subject to tariffs) caution will be a good option.

The voting system in UK is not compulsory and hence it is what it is.
Indeed.

What a 52/48 result on a 72% turnout is, though, is inconclusive. Where voting is not compulsory, it is entirely normal practice for the margin and turnout to be considered as part of the government's response to an advisory referendum.

Nigel Farage said so himself in the last week leading up to the referendum:
“In a 52-48 referendum, this would be unfinished business by a long way.”

True we cannot ignore referendum results, however doing a referendum for something as important as this with wankers like Farage peddling the bigoted xenophobic stance is fraught with danger.
Indeed.

It will be interesting to see if the international observers declare that it was free and fair.
justapassenger
Actually I really think Cameron did not envisage a smeghead like Farage had enough influence to cause Brexit. But Cameron, like all these show pony politicians is not up to scratch in guiding a country through a serious issue like Brexit. Cameron should have refused the referendum and then resigned to show he was serious. But he cared more about his position than the country he professes to care so much for. So he is gone and now the next PM might be a nut job like Boris. The UK's Trump. Can it get any worse? I hate to think of it but the Mad Monk might be PM here once more.

To call any of these people (except Cameron) conservative is wrong, more like xenophobic fascists.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
My two cents: there were a number of reasons why the 'Remain' campaign failed but I suspect that a lot of people were actually not winning from the UK being in the EU and they voted accordingly.

The people who voted to exit were overwhelmingly outside of London, poorer and less educated than the people who voted to remain. I suspect that they were tired of competing with cheaper eastern European labour and tradesman for scarce jobs and resources and were also terrified by the massive refugee immigration programs occurring on the continent and decided they wanted 'out' of the EU. I've been the UK a few times and there's a really stark contrast between the relative prosperity and money that London and the Home Counties seem to enjoy compared to the obvious lack of prosperity and jobs the further north you travel. I don't think it ever occurred to people like David Cameron that those people who were marginalised and not really winning from the common market would actually feel strongly enough to vote against remaining in it. Scotland was the exception of course, but there were other (nationalistic) reasons why they voted overwhelmingly there to remain in the European Union.

IN the second place, I also view this as giant middle finger extended to the elites and the captains of industry in British society (and the government) who have been telling those same marginalised people that everything that has been happening to them in the last ten, twenty, thirty years has been magnificent economic management and that they were really, really stupid if they didn't want more of the same. Cameron went out on a limb with this referendum and it failed in spectacular fashion - the people were given a chance to speak and they responded with a resounding UP YOURS.

It's no good having complaints now about 'we got the wrong result'; they put it to an open vote and they got their answer.

Anyway, as Boris Johnson said, it's not really that catastrophic - life will go on. Maybe in the longer run they'll be better off out of the EU, who knows? It was almost certainly a good thing that they said 'no' to the single currency - maybe exiting the EU will turn out to be a good strategic move in time too.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
And now many are having second thoughts - and want another referendum on the matter - with a sliding scale of the majority needed to win based on voter turnout. That's the sort of formula that Sir Humphrey would be delighted to manage.

As one wit said, a #Neverendum.

Meanwhile.......the Scots have called tenders for the full construction of a new Hadrians Wall, along with fortifications, and the Unionists have decided that it is very unwise to visit a Pub in Belfast for a Pint.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
God save the Queen.
...because nothing will save the EU.

No longer hostage to that silly empire across the channel. Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves etc etc...
Carnot
Can all the misplaced Poms go home now so those of us singularly Australian can finally look forward to our Independence Day Razz
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
And now many are having second thoughts - and want another referendum on the matter - with a sliding scale of the majority needed to win based on voter turnout. That's the sort of formula that Sir Humphrey would be delighted to manage.

As one wit said, a #Neverendum....
mikesyd
About jobs! How many Britex voters are on welfare or wouldn’t lower themselves to do the jobs foreigners are willing to do?

Democracy is too fragile to be left in the hands of amateurs. So people didn’t understand the implications of what they voted for. Smacks of 1933 Rolling Eyes
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

My two cents: there were a number of reasons why the 'Remain' campaign failed but I suspect that a lot of people were actually not winning from the UK being in the EU and they voted accordingly.

The people who voted to exit were overwhelmingly outside of London, poorer and less educated than the people who voted to remain. I suspect that they were tired of competing with cheaper eastern European labour and tradesman for scarce jobs and resources and were also terrified by the massive refugee immigration programs occurring on the continent and decided they wanted 'out' of the EU. I've been the UK a few times and there's a really stark contrast between the relative prosperity and money that London and the Home Counties seem to enjoy compared to the obvious lack of prosperity and jobs the further north you travel. I don't think it ever occurred to people like David Cameron that those people who were marginalised and not really winning from the common market would actually feel strongly enough to vote against remaining in it. Scotland was the exception of course, but there were other (nationalistic) reasons why they voted overwhelmingly there to remain in the European Union.

IN the second place, I also view this as giant middle finger extended to the elites and the captains of industry in British society (and the government) who have been telling those same marginalised people that everything that has been happening to them in the last ten, twenty, thirty years has been magnificent economic management and that they were really, really stupid if they didn't want more of the same. Cameron went out on a limb with this referendum and it failed in spectacular fashion - the people were given a chance to speak and they responded with a resounding UP YOURS.

It's no good having complaints now about 'we got the wrong result'; they put it to an open vote and they got their answer.

Anyway, as Boris Johnson said, it's not really that catastrophic - life will go on. Maybe in the longer run they'll be better off out of the EU, who knows? It was almost certainly a good thing that they said 'no' to the single currency - maybe exiting the EU will turn out to be a good strategic move in time too.
don_dunstan
The people who voted to exit were overwhelmingly outside of London, poorer and less educated than the people who voted to remain.

No Don that is crap, they were English. Scotland and Northern Ireland who many areas are poor as well voted to remain. Every English Region voted to leave. The South East and East Regions are very wealthy. I would not call Hart, Elmbridge or Uttlesford regions poor. They are among the wealthiest in the EU

I suspect that they were tired of competing with cheaper eastern European labour and tradesman for scarce jobs and resources and were also terrified by the massive refugee immigration programs occurring on the continent and decided they wanted 'out' of the EU.

Sorry Don but that is also crap.The Refugee intake in Britain is to do with Britain alone, it had nothing to do with the EU as they are nationals outside of the EU. The Freedom of movement as regards to EU nationals has been in place sine the 1970's, they cannot pick and choose what rules are in place. In any case you are falling into the trap that it is one way. There are a lot of British Nationals settled elsewhere and Germany has had more Eastern European migration, but unlike the English they do not smeg and moan. And E Europeans take jobs that Jonny Little Englanders will not take, or are not qualified for.

Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Estimates are it costs Britain 6.5 billion POUNDS per annum just to stay in the cartel.
Yeah you keep on believing that. Did Mr Farage tell you that and remember the UK received a lot of money from the EU as well.

Michael
Bevans is actually under the true cost...

The UK's EU membership fee for 2015 was 18 billion POUNDS - they received a rebate of 5 billion pounds so their direct contribution was 13 billion pounds. The EU spent 4.5 billion pounds in the UK, so the UK's 'membership fee' is either 18, 13, or 8.5 BILLION POUNDS depending on which figure you choose to accept.

Figures from Mr Farage? Nope, HM Treasury.
So. They also get unlimited access to 400 Million people and considering that London's GDP alone is greater than that of Belgium you can see that 18 Billion is sweet FA to a country as wealthy as Britain.

Michael
Nice shift of the goal posts. You criticise the original stat, a mistake since it has been shown to be understated, then change to 'yeah, but ... '. In the debating circles I spend time, we call these types of shifts 'the gravity game'. How about this 'but' further digging seems to show the EU's spending in the UK was about 2 billion pounds under the expected figure I quoted from HM T. The cartel's direct cost to the UK is closer to 10.4 to 10.5 billion pounds.
Aaron
I mentioned 18 Billion, in which you mentioned in your post. So I criticise the orignal stat, big deal. The UK is better off in Europe, just that Jonny English types always looking to the past cannot see that.

Michael
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
From the stats I saw the Leave came from regional England and Wales. Scotland voted 2:1 to stay as did London and Nth Ireland.

They broke it down further via exit poling.

Do not have passport- leave

Do not have a trade or profession - Leave. Professionals voted more to stay

On welfare - leave

Under 30 - overwhelming stay

Over 60 - leave

So basically regional in Wales and England  unemployed or low skill labour and older and unlikely to travel wanted out and got it through poor turnout and say the bad weather.

At 52% it seems a very much "oh what the fu__ have we done" is gripping large parts of the UK. Unlike a normal election there is no going  back once they leave. They think they are being screwed now by EU. Just wait until they re apply. It will take a generation to get back. A generation that will have lost the freedoms and work options in the EU.

I'm sure very much that the vote be done again. They wouldn't be going. However the decision is done. Time to move on.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The UK is better off in Europe, just that Jonny English types always looking to the past cannot see that.
mejhammers
Why don't you go and tell them that they're all lazy, ignorant and just plain wrong. I'm sure they'll appreciate that advice.
However the decision is done. Time to move on.
RTT_Rules
Exactly. Their membership was tenuous from the time that they decided not the join in the single currency onward. It's not a huge disaster, all they did was vote to leave a trading block; in time it may even turn out to have been a good move if the EU starts to disintegrate in the future. Some of the smaller, wealthier members have been grumbling about wanting to leave for some time and this result might spur them on - I think that's the real crux of the problem as far as the EU goes.

If Cameron et al really didn't want this to happen then they should never have put it to a vote... simple.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

The UK is better off in Europe, just that Jonny English types always looking to the past cannot see that.
Why don't you go and tell them that they're all lazy, ignorant and just plain wrong. I'm sure they'll appreciate that advice.
However the decision is done. Time to move on.
Exactly. Their membership was tenuous from the time that they decided not the join in the single currency onward. It's not a huge disaster, all they did was vote to leave a trading block; in time it may even turn out to have been a good move if the EU starts to disintegrate in the future. Some of the smaller, wealthier members have been grumbling about wanting to leave for some time and this result might spur them on - I think that's the real crux of the problem as far as the EU goes.

If Cameron et al really didn't want this to happen then they should never have put it to a vote... simple.
don_dunstan
Why don't you go and tell them that they're all lazy, ignorant and just plain wrong. I'm sure they'll appreciate that advice.

Don, take a bex and lie down. No one is saying that. And Don I was born in England to West Indian Parents. They were asked to come to England to take jobs that English people did not want. They worked extremely hard for everything and yet they were constantly sniped at. Oh how come you can afford that and we cannot, oh you must be on the social and blacks get treated better than us, blacks are lazy and all the other racist crap. And my parents took it with good grace. Nigel Farage runs the most xenophobic vile rubbish about Eastern European migration to Britain, so if I take offence its because my family have been subjected to that bollocks and quite frankly I am sick of hearing about it. Its 2016 not 1959!!

So if you want to have a massive hissy fit because I dare say that the English are insular, to which they are, that's fine, just do not expect me to be sympathetic to voters who swallowed Farage's xenophobic crap. The way some people defend the English it is like the are the chosen ones. Nope they are just English. They are not better than the French, not better than the Scots, or Welsh or Germans or Dutch or Belgians or Irish, they are the same level. They are just English part of Europe.

Scotland, Northern Ireland and London voted on economic grounds, the rest of England on Racial grounds. The campaign that Farage had run was xenophobic to say the least.

Michael
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
The immigration thing.

From people I know from UK I don't think its so much about people who moved there previously and played an active role in the society, got jobs etc etc. Its more about a part of the more recent migration, mostly in 21st century and the huge number of free loaders only seeking welfare and have no intergrated and not a functional part of society. 20 years ago many of the racial based no go zones didn't exist and they didn't have men and women in conservative arab dress protesting in large numbers and calling on death to the UK police.

Similar comparisons can be made in France, Belgium, Sweeden and soon I expect Germany and we have growing in Australia where over 90% of assylum seekers from five particular countries that have been here for more than 5 years are still on welfare.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Isn't the result still an answer??? You cant  have a vote / referendum, and then decide since you're on the losing side that you don't like the result..... WTF??

Come July 2 here, if its 52/48, the either Bill or Malcom with 48 is going to know what 48 (read as get nodded) means. You're not going to have WA or QLD for example saying that's it, we don't like the result, get effed, we're splitting away from the rest of Aus and having a X,Y,Z government. Yet this is what the Scots are saying with the "Well, we voted to stay in the EU, England can do what they want if they decided not to".

The WHOLE of Great Britain was asked to vote. NOT England, Scotland, Wales and whoever else as separate entities, but lock stock the lot as a group. The vote is was what it is - suck it up. If you wanted the separate England / Scotland / Wales stay or go choice, then it should have been asked as such.

It wasn't, so Boo Hoo.

Just shows in any vote/choice there's always going to be a sore loser.

First thing these weak prcks need to do is grow some effing balls and shut borders and get on top of who's who causing terror problems. The Poms vote reflects the fact that these twits have realised too late that they don't control what goes on in their backyard anymore. The answers to being part of Europe (selling yourself out) can be looked at from there. Typically, the problems havent arisen from the hard working types from the colonies, but later people from the Middle East. Any fool can look at France and Belgium gettos to see the similarities.

So the Scots and Welsh want to stick with the French. History would say no surprise there.
Whats to say the French wont be the next to go????

Regards
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Michael - interesting story of your background and it does inform a bit more where you are coming from.

Even if the majority of chavy English outside of London are xenophobic and don't like what's been going on they still have a right to say 'no' to further integration into the EU. That was the point of having the referendum wasn't it - to give the British public (including the great unwashed Jordy Shore majority) a say in what they actually wanted. And by and large they decided they wanted to be more insular... that's just how it turned out. My point is that those 'progressive' people in the UK who desperately wanted to have the 'yes' vote succeed can't now turn around and say 'well we need a do-over because we didn't get the result we wanted'. The people have spoken.

Regardless of whether or not those people who voted 'no' were manipulated by people like Farange - the fact is that the 'yes' campaign had lots of natural advantages including being strongly favoured by both the incumbent government AND the opposition AND the heads of business (by and large) AND the Murdoch-dominated media over there - but they still didn't get the positive message about how remaining in the EU was going to keep the benefits coming for the whole of the UK. They failed miserably.

Personally I think the blame lies with David Cameron - he arrogantly thought that the referendum was the way to do this thing despite being warned repeatedly that there was a strong chance they were not going to get the result they wanted.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Personally I think the blame lies with David Cameron - he arrogantly thought that the referendum was the way to do this thing despite being warned repeatedly that there was a strong chance they were not going to get the result they wanted.
"don_dunstan"
Well, Sir Humphrey warned him; "Never hold an enquiry without first knowing what the result is going to be."
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The immigration thing.

From people I know from UK I don't think its so much about people who moved there previously and played an active role in the society, got jobs etc etc. Its more about a part of the more recent migration, mostly in 21st century and the huge number of free loaders only seeking welfare and have no intergrated and not a functional part of society. 20 years ago many of the racial based no go zones didn't exist and they didn't have men and women in conservative arab dress protesting in large numbers and calling on death to the UK police.

Similar comparisons can be made in France, Belgium, Sweeden and soon I expect Germany and we have growing in Australia where over 90% of assylum seekers from five particular countries that have been here for more than 5 years are still on welfare.
RTT_Rules
A lot of migration worldwide at the moment is like sperm - millions get in but only one works.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Isn't the result still an answer??? You cant  have a vote / referendum, and then decide since you're on the losing side that you don't like the result..... WTF??

Come July 2 here, if its 52/48, the either Bill or Malcom with 48 is going to know what 48 (read as get nodded) means. You're not going to have WA or QLD for example saying that's it, we don't like the result, get effed, we're splitting away from the rest of Aus and having a X,Y,Z government. Yet this is what the Scots are saying with the "Well, we voted to stay in the EU, England can do what they want if they decided not to".

The WHOLE of Great Britain was asked to vote. NOT England, Scotland, Wales and whoever else as separate entities, but lock stock the lot as a group. The vote is was what it is - suck it up. If you wanted the separate England / Scotland / Wales stay or go choice, then it should have been asked as such.
davesvline
Yeah I don't think its that simple.

For example
You normally vote LNP, but you hate MT so you vote ALP as you cannot stomach voting for him (most of us have done protest votes at some stage). ALP get in, in 3 years time you can vote them out the differences between if LNP or ALP got in is not huge.

You vote to leave the EU because you are pi$$ed off about a few things and the difference is its a one way trip and with it alot is also lost, never to come back for at least a generation including the ability to work and buy property across the water. I get the feeling there was alot of protest voting and alot of voting by people who may have not been the most qualified to make a decision but its a democracy.

If the govt could click its fingers and tomorrow there was a 2nd vote, would we still get 52% say out? There seems to be a mood to say maybe not.

I have a friend, Aussies, but permanentlty live in London and intend to do so for rest of their lives apart from currently working in Dubai. She has sent her daughter to French school from day 1 in London and continues in Dubai to give her daughter multiple career options in the future and be able to live and work in France and the UK. They were also looking at buying a property in France to spend UK winters in when they retired (French real estate is cheap). Both of these options are now likely gone or more difficult.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
News reports tonight 'growing swell for a re rerun of the vote' with over 2 million signatures on some petition thingo for another vote - please, 16+ million plus voted for the losing side, 2 million requesting a rerun is not to be taken notice of.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

The immigration thing.

From people I know from UK I don't think its so much about people who moved there previously and played an active role in the society, got jobs etc etc. Its more about a part of the more recent migration, mostly in 21st century and the huge number of free loaders only seeking welfare and have no intergrated and not a functional part of society. 20 years ago many of the racial based no go zones didn't exist and they didn't have men and women in conservative arab dress protesting in large numbers and calling on death to the UK police.

Similar comparisons can be made in France, Belgium, Sweeden and soon I expect Germany and we have growing in Australia where over 90% of assylum seekers from five particular countries that have been here for more than 5 years are still on welfare.
RTT_Rules
Yes and that has been noted, but this has nothing to do with the EU. The entry of Asylum seekers to the UK was made mostly by the Blair Government, then by subsequent Governments, in other words it was the UK Government's decision to permit entry to Asylum seekers not the EU!!!

Its more about a part of the more recent migration, mostly in 21st century and the huge number of free loaders only seeking welfare and have no intergrated and not a functional part of society.

Yes there are a lot of Asylum seekers seeking welfare, there is alos a lot of native British seeking welfare too.

Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Michael - interesting story of your background and it does inform a bit more where you are coming from.

Even if the majority of chavy English outside of London are xenophobic and don't like what's been going on they still have a right to say 'no' to further integration into the EU. That was the point of having the referendum wasn't it - to give the British public (including the great unwashed Jordy Shore majority) a say in what they actually wanted. And by and large they decided they wanted to be more insular... that's just how it turned out. My point is that those 'progressive' people in the UK who desperately wanted to have the 'yes' vote succeed can't now turn around and say 'well we need a do-over because we didn't get the result we wanted'. The people have spoken.

Regardless of whether or not those people who voted 'no' were manipulated by people like Farange - the fact is that the 'yes' campaign had lots of natural advantages including being strongly favoured by both the incumbent government AND the opposition AND the heads of business (by and large) AND the Murdoch-dominated media over there - but they still didn't get the positive message about how remaining in the EU was going to keep the benefits coming for the whole of the UK. They failed miserably.

Personally I think the blame lies with David Cameron - he arrogantly thought that the referendum was the way to do this thing despite being warned repeatedly that there was a strong chance they were not going to get the result they wanted.
don_dunstan
Regardless of whether or not those people who voted 'no' were manipulated by people like Farange - the fact is that the 'yes' campaign had lots of natural advantages including being strongly favoured by both the incumbent government AND the opposition AND the heads of business (by and large) AND the Murdoch-dominated media over there - but they still didn't get the positive message about how remaining in the EU was going to keep the benefits coming for the whole of the UK. They failed miserably.

True the Remain camp did not sell the huge advantages of staying in Europe, access to huge markets, mobile workforce etc in the way that Farage sold lies about we will put the money saved from paying the EU into the NHS. And they have been found backpedaling on that already and of course xenophobic overtures about Eastern European folk and being overrun by Turkish Muslims, yet another effing lie. Lies, lies and more lies.

Personally I think the blame lies with David Cameron - he arrogantly thought that the referendum was the way to do this thing despite being warned repeatedly that there was a strong chance they were not going to get the result they wanted.

Er no because he was shafted by Eurosceptics of whom are large in number in the Conservative Party threatening to go to UKIP if their demands were not met. So faced with certain political suicide or a referendum, he chose the latter.

Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Isn't the result still an answer??? You cant  have a vote / referendum, and then decide since you're on the losing side that you don't like the result..... WTF??

Come July 2 here, if its 52/48, the either Bill or Malcom with 48 is going to know what 48 (read as get nodded) means. You're not going to have WA or QLD for example saying that's it, we don't like the result, get effed, we're splitting away from the rest of Aus and having a X,Y,Z government. Yet this is what the Scots are saying with the "Well, we voted to stay in the EU, England can do what they want if they decided not to".

The WHOLE of Great Britain was asked to vote. NOT England, Scotland, Wales and whoever else as separate entities, but lock stock the lot as a group. The vote is was what it is - suck it up. If you wanted the separate England / Scotland / Wales stay or go choice, then it should have been asked as such.

It wasn't, so Boo Hoo.

Just shows in any vote/choice there's always going to be a sore loser.

First thing these weak prcks need to do is grow some effing balls and shut borders and get on top of who's who causing terror problems. The Poms vote reflects the fact that these twits have realised too late that they don't control what goes on in their backyard anymore. The answers to being part of Europe (selling yourself out) can be looked at from there. Typically, the problems havent arisen from the hard working types from the colonies, but later people from the Middle East. Any fool can look at France and Belgium gettos to see the similarities.

So the Scots and Welsh want to stick with the French. History would say no surprise there.
Whats to say the French wont be the next to go????

Regards
davesvline
First thing these weak prcks need to do is grow some effing balls and shut borders and get on top of who's who causing terror problems. The Poms vote reflects the fact that these twits have realised too late that they don't control what goes on in their backyard anymore. The answers to being part of Europe (selling yourself out) can be looked at from there. Typically, the problems havent arisen from the hard working types from the colonies, but later people from the Middle East. Any fool can look at France and Belgium gettos to see the similarities.

Davesonline, It has been said ad-nauseum before, the EU has nothing to do with the Immigration of asylum seekers from the Middle East. That intake was set by each individual country. Blair did it in the UK, it has nothing to do with the EU!!! The problems that Sweden is experiencing is nothing to do with the EU, it was the Swedish Government doing

Secondly, the Muslims in France are French born or born in a former French Territory such as Algeria or Morocco, so in effect the terriorists where 99.5% home grown.

The Scots are not siding with the French, they believe that the Economic future lies with Europe not with a London Centric Westminster Government. They look to the future, not to the past like the English, too bad you cannot get you brain around that. Farage is a Xenophobic piece of s..t.

Michael
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Er no because he was shafted by Eurosceptics of whom are large in number in the Conservative Party threatening to go to UKIP if their demands were not met. So faced with certain political suicide or a referendum, he chose the latter.
mejhammers1
Bad decision, should have called their bluff. Like Malcolm Turnbull with the Cory Bernardis of the Liberal Party who want Tony Abbott back - you want your own party? Fine - get out. And what a surprise, they're too gutless to actually go through with it.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Most of the poms want to leave the EU because basically they've had enough of being over-governed by pompous and arrogant elites.

And I have to laugh at all the young people who didn't vote and are now having hissy fits.  Exhibit A is this spiteful piece of work who loves to rant about how superior he is to most Brits (particularly older ones) but didn't bother to vote:  http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/opinion/sunday/hell-is-other-britons.html?_r=0
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Most of the poms want to leave the EU because basically they've had enough of being over-governed by pompous and arrogant elites.

Carnot
So they backed Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage Laughing

Such delightful irony.

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