Closed lines still owned by VicTrack

 
  beanzs27 Assistant Commissioner

looking at this map https://www.victrack.com.au/~/media/bd04c1eab7b044ce80bc7b14953b2e0f.kml
it's interesting to see which lines Have been sold off. Clearly the earlier closed the more likely to be sold.
For example Casterton is still there but not Coleraine.

Have rail trails taken some rail right of ways. For example the section on the Port Fairy rail trail is not but the section from Koroit to Hamilton is.

The map shows Tallarook to Merton but not to Mansfield

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  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
looking at this map https://www.victrack.com.au/~/media/bd04c1eab7b044ce80bc7b14953b2e0f.kml
it's interesting to see which lines Have been sold off. Clearly the earlier closed the more likely to be sold.
For example Casterton is still there but not Coleraine.

Have rail trails taken some rail right of ways. For example the section on the Port Fairy rail trail is not but the section from Koroit to Hamilton is.

The map shows Tallarook to Merton but not to Mansfield
If you don't have access to google earth, another way to look at VicTrack owned land is via this website:

http://www.maps.vic.gov.au/TransMaps/login.jsp?login_required=true

VicTrack reserve is already there as a predefined map.
  ARodH Chief Train Controller

Location: East Oakleigh, Vic
If that's accurate there's some oddities and some farmers that haven't bought the land they're using.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
If that's accurate there's some oddities and some farmers that haven't bought the land they're using.
ARodH
You may find the adjacent farmer actually leases the land - or just lets the livestock roam...

Rick
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
Some rail trails (such as the Warburton Trail) are outright owned by the local council, having purchased the land off VicTrack. Other rail trails (particularly the more recent ones) use a VicTrack leasing agreement that has provisions for reactivation of the railway line in the future.
  damooops Junior Train Controller

Location: The Revenue Raising State
G'day all.
Does it seem odd to anyone that Victrack still have the majority of the land from Heathcote Junction to Kilmore but none any further? I couldn't see them ever justifying rebuilding that section of line anytime in our lifetime! Shocked
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
G'day all.
Does it seem odd to anyone that Victrack still have the majority of the land from Heathcote Junction to Kilmore but none any further? I couldn't see them ever justifying rebuilding that section of line anytime in our lifetime! Shocked
damooops
The line north of Heathcote closed in 1958, whereas the line south closed in 1968 - so the first lot was sold off, and they never got around to dealing fully with the latter it seems.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
looking at this map https://www.victrack.com.au/~/media/bd04c1eab7b044ce80bc7b14953b2e0f.kml
it's interesting to see which lines Have been sold off. Clearly the earlier closed the more likely to be sold.
For example Casterton is still there but not Coleraine.

Have rail trails taken some rail right of ways. For example the section on the Port Fairy rail trail is not but the section from Koroit to Hamilton is.

The map shows Tallarook to Merton but not to Mansfield
beanzs27

As I can't get the map to open...just wondering about the Daylesford Line from Carlsrhue ..still VicTrack land Question...thanks.

Mike.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
As I can't get the map to open... just wondering about the Daylesford Line from Carlsrhue [is it] still VicTrack land?
The Vinelander
Yes it is.


Not much of the North Creswick - Daylesford line left in VicTrack's hands though - just the section from North Creswick to Newlyn.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction

As I can't get the map to open...just wondering about the Daylesford Line from Carlsrhue ..still VicTrack land Question...thanks.

Mike.
The Vinelander
It is. I have often thought that this would be a future candidate for re-opening at some stage due to the fact that it would add extra services to Woodend and Gisborne which are both suffering growing pains as well as picking up pax from the growing towns of Daylesford and Trentham

Unsurprisingly the land for the Daylesford - North Creswick line doesn't appear on the map

BG
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.

As I can't get the map to open...just wondering about the Daylesford Line from Carlsrhue ..still VicTrack land Question...thanks.

Mike.It is. I have often thought that this would be a future candidate for re-opening at some stage due to the fact that it would add extra services to Woodend and Gisborne which are both suffering growing pains as well as picking up pax from the growing towns of Daylesford and Trentham

Unsurprisingly the land for the Daylesford - North Creswick line doesn't appear on the map

BG
BrentonGolding
What would the difference between that and adding more Kyneton locals?
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Some rail trails (such as the Warburton Trail) are outright owned by the local council, having purchased the land off VicTrack. Other rail trails (particularly the more recent ones) use a VicTrack leasing agreement that has provisions for reactivation of the railway line in the future.
LancedDendrite
A part of the Warburton easement, close to the Lilydale end, passes through the sports ground of a local school, is fenced off and does not form part of the Trail.  If you want to walk or ride the trail from Lilydale, you have to go around the sports ground on ordinary footpaths before rejoining the easement on the far side.  Does the school own this piece of easement, or have they leased it from the Council?  In either case, is there any chance that access along it could be reinstated?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction

As I can't get the map to open...just wondering about the Daylesford Line from Carlsrhue ..still VicTrack land Question...thanks.

Mike.It is. I have often thought that this would be a future candidate for re-opening at some stage due to the fact that it would add extra services to Woodend and Gisborne which are both suffering growing pains as well as picking up pax from the growing towns of Daylesford and Trentham

Unsurprisingly the land for the Daylesford - North Creswick line doesn't appear on the map

BGWhat would the difference between that and adding more Kyneton locals?
railblogger
Apart from the extra pax from Daylesford and Trentham etc absolutely nothing! I know it is unlikely that the line would ever re-open, I am simply saying it would be a nice fit due to the growing demand for extra services "down the line"

More Kyneton locals is obviously a far more likely outcome especially as it lies beyond the junction of the old Daylesford branch line and on the Down services I catch many pax get off at Kyneton (for those who don't know the junction was at the now disused Carlsruhe Station on the Up side of the old island platform).

BG
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
As I can't get the map to open... just wondering about the Daylesford Line from Carlsrhue [is it] still VicTrack land?
Yes it is.


Not much of the North Creswick - Daylesford line left in VicTrack's hands though - just the section from North Creswick to Newlyn.
LancedDendrite

Thanks for posting the map.
  Connex Station Master

Some rail trails (such as the Warburton Trail) are outright owned by the local council, having purchased the land off VicTrack. Other rail trails (particularly the more recent ones) use a VicTrack leasing agreement that has provisions for reactivation of the railway line in the future.
LancedDendrite
A part of the Warburton easement, close to the Lilydale end, passes through the sports ground of a local school, is fenced off and does not form part of the Trail.  If you want to walk or ride the trail from Lilydale, you have to go around the sports ground on ordinary footpaths before rejoining the easement on the far side.  Does the school own this piece of easement, or have they leased it from the Council?  In either case, is there any chance that access along it could be reinstated?
"Lad_Porter"


In the 2001 edition of Melways, it's show the trail going though the the school. Anyways, another example of a closed line owned by Victrack is the South Gippsland line from Cranbourne to Leongatha. I'm pretty sure that it will be reopened one day.
  ARodH Chief Train Controller

Location: East Oakleigh, Vic
Bit difficult to do at Koo Wee Rup as they've pulled the track up and built a Woolies on part of it (like Cobram), they'd have to skyrail it.
  lkernan Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Bit difficult to do at Koo Wee Rup as they've pulled the track up and built a Woolies on part of it (like Cobram), they'd have to skyrail it.
ARodH
I thought it was just the toilet block at the bus stop on the track?  
Pretty sure the Woolworths goes close but it isn't in the way.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Not being familiar with the area, I'm judging based off Google Maps.

  • The Woolworths is in line with the other properties along the reservation.
  • The Toilet block does seem to jut into the right of way, but
  • Any reinstating of the train line will probably happen with grade separations, so the line will be trenched in that section, so it may not follow where the original line was exactly, especially given the width of the reservation at that point.
  • The toilets would be replaced by toilets in the station itself.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

  • Any reinstating of the train line will probably happen with grade separations, so the line will be trenched in that section, so it may not follow where the original line was exactly, especially given the width of the reservation at that point.
TOQ-1
You do realise that Koo Wee Rup is in a former swamp? That the whole area is extremely water logged? And that the former railway line cuts across the main drains that ensure the area to the north east as far as Tynong doesn't flood?

If the line is ever reopened to Koo Wee Rup, any grade separations will not involve digging. Either the rail would be raised, or the road.

The Woolies is built on the former railway goods yard. The alignment of the main line, though, is clear.
  ARodH Chief Train Controller

Location: East Oakleigh, Vic
The rail's been ripped up completely through Koo Wee Rup from just after the southern drain culvert to a bit before the Koo Wee Rup south drain. Also Google maps doesn't believe that there's tracks in that section and through to where Tooradin station was.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
  • Any reinstating of the train line will probably happen with grade separations, so the line will be trenched in that section, so it may not follow where the original line was exactly, especially given the width of the reservation at that point.
You do realise that Koo Wee Rup is in a former swamp? That the whole area is extremely water logged? And that the former railway line cuts across the main drains that ensure the area to the north east as far as Tynong doesn't flood?

If the line is ever reopened to Koo Wee Rup, any grade separations will not involve digging. Either the rail would be raised, or the road.

The Woolies is built on the former railway goods yard. The alignment of the main line, though, is clear.
historian
You do realize that my post literally says I know nothing about the area and was going off a quick look at Google Maps? I'm more than happy to be corrected on things I don't know. That's why I'm here.

In any case, a "new" railway line will most likely be done with grade separations, and they have the whole width of the reservation at that point to play with. A "new" station would have amenities attached to it so that any loss of the toilets since built on the Right of Way would be replaced.
  x42 Junior Train Controller

Location: NSW
Most of the following formations at a quick look

Maldon to Shelbourne and beyond minus a little bit of private land.
Lubeck to bolangum - minus Rupunyup station area.
Castlemaine to Moolort
Redcliffs to Merringur
Kerang - most of the two branch lines
Wedderburn to wedderburn junction
Ballarat Redan line minus the golf course

Interestingly some towns still have blocks of land reserved for DR's, Water reservoirs, etc
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland

Ballarat Redan line minus the golf course
x42
The Golf Course Is now a housing estate and the ROW built over.
  damooops Junior Train Controller

Location: The Revenue Raising State
Not being familiar with the area, I'm judging based off Google Maps.




  • The Woolworths is in line with the other properties along the reservation.

  • The Toilet block does seem to jut into the right of way, but

  • Any reinstating of the train line will probably happen with grade separations, so the line will be trenched in that section, so it may not follow where the original line was exactly, especially given the width of the reservation at that point.

  • The toilets would be replaced by toilets in the station itself.


"TOQ-1"


https://www.flickr.com/photos/77885492@N04/27892160251/in/album-72157669361087690/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/77885492@N04/27892160291/in/album-72157669361087690/

Here are a couple of photos taken in 2012 near the toilet block.
Cheers.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Some rail trails (such as the Warburton Trail) are outright owned by the local council, having purchased the land off VicTrack. Other rail trails (particularly the more recent ones) use a VicTrack leasing agreement that has provisions for reactivation of the railway line in the future.
A part of the Warburton easement, close to the Lilydale end, passes through the sports ground of a local school, is fenced off and does not form part of the Trail.  If you want to walk or ride the trail from Lilydale, you have to go around the sports ground on ordinary footpaths before rejoining the easement on the far side.  Does the school own this piece of easement, or have they leased it from the Council?  In either case, is there any chance that access along it could be reinstated?
In the 2001 edition of Melways, it's show the trail going though the the school.
Connex
No doubt in the years since 2001, an arrangement has been made between the school and the shire, because in later editions the trail stops at one side of the school and resumes at the other side.  There is no trail going through the school, and in practice you have to divert around it.

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