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    News article: Oakey Beef Exports on track to switch from road to rail freight

    A southern Queensland meat processor says it is on track to make the switch from road to rail freight.

      RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

    Location: Dubai UAE
    Cattle under passes are also common way to deal with a highway.
    Posted: 27 Jun 2016 17:14

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      Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

    Yep, the Sun Metals branch runs up the left side of Lowes Road and the Spelling yard and branch is on the right side of the road. Trains usually unload or load several times a week during a normal season.
    Posted: 27 Jun 2016 17:17
      fzr560 Chief Train Controller

    It would be interesting then to understand what sort of margin Aurizon is looking to make on the Oakey trains.

    They would need to be sufficient to meet internal hurdle rates and probably on an agreed GM?

    What might be interesting is cattle trains from QLD to NT or NT/QLD for slaughter?

    What cattle processing plants are adjacent to the rail network in NSW?  Aberdeen Meats used rail.
    bevans
    Fletchers obviously. Wingham was using rail until at least 1990. Casino is also located beside the North Coast Line.
    Posted: 27 Jun 2016 17:18

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      james.au Minister for Railways

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    Interestingly, Queensland Transport has put out a tender for the services.

    https://www.hpw.qld.gov.au/qtenders/tender/request/request-spec-docs.do?CSRFNONCE=18E2B9061EBA1990F2312CFB43458DC4&tenderId=18442&method=downloadViaHTML

    Im not sure how to post a PDF here.  If you can't register to download the documents, let me know via PM your email address and ill send to you.

    Services include:
    Julia Creek-Rockhampton (57pa)
    Cloncurry-Brisbane (57pa)
    Clermont-Brisbane (69pa)
    Winton-Rockhampton (38pa)
    Winton-Brisbane (77pa)
    Quilpie-Brisbane (incl Oakey) (27pa)

    Additional loading points are specified between origin and destination.
    Brisbane relates to Dunmore or Holmview

    There is a list of historic service included too.

    This suggests to me that the services are being subsidised by the Qld government then.  Im not sure what recharge they will make to the processors.
    Posted: 01 Jul 2016 11:50

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      Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

    These are the existing services currently subsidied by Queensland Transport...additional services such as the new Bothwicks (Nippon Meats) deal and presumably any additional trains Nippon Meats wants at Oakey beyond the 27 services offered by QT will not be subsidised and will need to be commercially operated and viable.
    Posted: 01 Jul 2016 15:34
      james.au Minister for Railways

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    Ahh, thanks Sulla.

    Out of interest - who else could even tender for these services?
    Posted: 01 Jul 2016 15:58
      Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

    Anyone with a locomotive and container wagons. Queensland Transport will supply the cattle crates for this contract and has received funding for new crates. Realistically Aurizon is the only existing operator in Queensland with rollingstock able to serve Winton, Clermont and Quilpie, although all of these lines are currently being upgraded.
    Posted: 01 Jul 2016 16:10
      Graham4405 Minister for Railways

    Location: Dalby Qld
    Brisbane relates to Dunmore or Holmview
    james.au
    I presume you mean Dinmore, Dunmore is close to Millmerran.
    Posted: 01 Jul 2016 17:53

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      james.au Minister for Railways

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    Brisbane relates to Dunmore or Holmview
    I presume you mean Dinmore, Dunmore is close to Millmerran.
    Graham4405
    Sorry yes.
    Posted: 01 Jul 2016 18:35
      james.au Minister for Railways

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    Sulla - what makes Aurizon the only operator that can serve these lines?
    Posted: 01 Jul 2016 18:47
      Mufreight Train Controller

    Location: North Ipswich
    Sulla - what makes Aurizon the only operator that can serve these lines?
    james.au
    PN's locos are too heavy and too large to fit through the Victoria Tunnels
    Posted: 01 Jul 2016 18:52
      james.au Minister for Railways

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    Are there locos on SG that would have sufficiently low enough weights?
    Posted: 01 Jul 2016 18:59
      Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

    I believe with minor modifications the 48/830 classes could be certified to run on QR lines. To date neither PN or GWA have been bothered enough to explore this option - admittedly fifty year old 900hp locos aren't usually the best foundation for a new competitive contract. At the moment any six axle loco weighing over 64-tonnes can't run to Quilpie, and nothing over 94-tonnes can reach Winton or Clermont.
    Posted: 01 Jul 2016 19:42
      br30453 Chief Train Controller

    I believe with minor modifications the 48/830 classes could be certified to run on QR lines. To date neither PN or GWA have been bothered enough to explore this option - admittedly fifty year old 900hp locos aren't usually the best foundation for a new competitive contract. At the moment any six axle loco weighing over 64-tonnes can't run to Quilpie, and nothing over 94-tonnes can reach Winton or Clermont.
    Sulla1
    Sulla1, I believe that more than minor modifications would be needed for the 48/830 class locomotives to run in Queensland. The headstocks and possibly the fuel tanks would need modification to meet the approved rollingstock outline.
    Posted: 01 Jul 2016 20:39
      james.au Minister for Railways

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    What is the difference between the Qld and NSW/ARTC loading gauge?
    Posted: 02 Jul 2016 16:08
      RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

    Location: Dubai UAE
    What is the difference between the Qld and NSW/ARTC loading gauge?
    james.au
    Depends which part of each state you are comparing with but overall huge.

    For example
    - Sydney has DD stock, but this cannot run far past Broadmeadow.
    - In Qld there are a number of profiles, Brisbane Suburban, CQ Coal network, NCL and SW/Western network are all different.
    Posted: 02 Jul 2016 16:43
      james.au Minister for Railways

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    Interesting - another gauge problem!!
    Posted: 02 Jul 2016 17:44
      br30453 Chief Train Controller

    What is the difference between the Qld and NSW/ARTC loading gauge?
    Depends which part of each state you are comparing with but overall huge.

    For example
    - Sydney has DD stock, but this cannot run far past Broadmeadow.
    - In Qld there are a number of profiles, Brisbane Suburban, CQ Coal network, NCL and SW/Western network are all different.
    Rollingstock built to plate A, 4270 high, 2970 wide and 22850 over body can operate on the NSW/ARTC network.
    Compare this with QR outline 2236, 3900 high, 2850 wide 16,220 over body which is the go anywhere in the Queensland system.

    This is the only rollingstock allowed west of Redbank/Ipswich and you can see the problem with Standard Gauge Rollingstock.
    Especially as the ARTC allowance is for 2900 wide below 1120 whereas the QR allowance is only 2440 below 915. This isa governed by platforms and half-through bridge girders.

    Even if the tunnels on the Toowoomba Range are modified to allow the rollingstock outline 2237 which is allowed on the North Coast and Mount Isa lines and the Aurizon Central Queensland Network this is still significantly smaller than the standard gauge Plate A allowance.

    QR 2237, 3900 high, 2900 wide, 19150 over body.

    The other variation allowed only in the Aurizon Coal Network are Coal wagons up to 3200 wide and 1500 over body.


    These allowable rollingstock outlines are all derived by clearances to the many structures on the various networks.

    Which is a fascinating exercise.

    So you can see that it is not only the track gauge wherein the differences lie but in clearances.
    Differences in track centres also must be taken into account.
    Posted: 02 Jul 2016 17:59

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      RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

    Location: Dubai UAE
    Interesting - another gauge problem!!
    james.au
    In Central Qld coal network, the platform roads are off limits to the coal trains.

    In Brisbane, the QR 2800 class has a special designation to make sure its not sent on tracks where the clearances are not enough.
    Posted: 02 Jul 2016 19:21
      x31 Chief Commissioner

    Location: gallifrey
    Any further news on more trains to and from the plant?
    Posted: 16 May 2017 10:58
      x31 Chief Commissioner

    Location: gallifrey
    Have we seen a train again?
    Posted: 14 Jun 2017 13:52

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