Newcastle Rail Line: Announcements

 
  Mad Panda Station Master

Location: NSW Australia
Me: How long will the light rail platforms be?
TfNSW #1: "Um, I don't know, I'll go an ask another person"
TfNSW #2: "I don't know, I will go an ask the 'main' person
Main TfNSW: "Ur I don't know, I'll look it up in the REF book.
Main TFNSW: "Ar the REF book says they are to be 33 metres long"
Me: "How high will these platforms be?
TfNSW rep: "Um we don't know.
Me: "And what vehicles are to be used?
TfNSW rep: "Urr, um, we don't know"
Me: "We'll ya should know, as these are suppose to be information sessions.
TfNSW: "But these are NOT the final plans.

And similarly
See https://www.flickr.com/gp/34023326@N02/942025
Me: "And how is traffic going to turn right from Telford St into Scott St, as the Pacific Park terminus will be in the way of traffic turning right?"
TfNSW: "Um well they'll do what they'll do now.
Me: But cars won't be able to turn right there, as the terminus will be in the way.
TfNSW: Ar, but these are not the final plans.

And etc & etc.

The plan is to have the raised part from Worth Place turning left into Hunter St. The [Are you sitting down?] RAISED section is to go through the intersection of Worth Place & Hunter St.
Funny,
Informative,
and frustratingly predictable responses from the stall holders.  Tis always the same.  They don't know cos they haven't been told themselves. Please don't blame them!  Of course by the time the final plans are out, its too late for displays and comments!

FWIW Telford st should be closed off at Scott St anyway. (My thoughts only) Smile

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  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

FWIW Telford st should be closed off at Scott St anyway. (My thoughts only) Smile
Mad Panda
But then buses won't be able go to/from Newcastle East when they are diverted during when Wharf Rd at the Foreshore is closed. And Telford into Scott St is busy.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3921226/council-wants-rail-change-poll/?cs=305
“Of particular concern, is that the decision to only consider separated running in Hunter Street appears to have been made in 2013 prior to public consultation on the light rail route in early 2014,” the submission says.
Newcastle Herald
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

This thread is a joke
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

This thread is a joke
gw0071
Agreed, I believe this thread should now be locked and sent to the archive

The Baird government should have left the line intact and reopened it to the public "why fix something that wasn't broken in the first place"

Newcastle WILL NEVER see the day of a replacement so-called light rail network. Lets face it! The reason why the original light rail was removed including heavy rail freight yards in Newcastle that once stood it's so people can drive around the place without too much traffic congestion but regardless traffic congestion will be on the rise again if this so-called light rail is completed and then it will get removed again "Very strange how this so-called light rail follows the original heavy rail corridore through to where Civic once stood" maybe that's where they should have closed the line to "Civic" I mean (It would have just been like old times when Civic was originally called Newcastle)

But all they had to do is build over the rail corridore and raise the track at level crossings build bridges and then redevelope Newcastle, sadly we have a stupid government....

Anyway, what's the point now! The government thinks they cannot restore the line now, what a load of rubbish
the corridore formation is still there

Just lock this thread and lets NOT forget that the Baird government took away important transport away from the people of Newcastle
  TomBTR Train Controller

Location: near Sydney
Lock the thread? I don't think so!

We won't see heavy rail again. We won't see the trams return. But we will see plenty more announcements. That is what this thread is about - look again at the title.
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

Yes, I can clearly read the title mate "Newcastle Rail Line: Announcements" just incase you didn't read it yourself but it states NEWCASTLE RAIL LINE

WHAT RAIL LINE?? There's NO rail line into Newcastle mate
So therefore what's the point having this thread anymore??? Lock it and send it to the archive
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

WHAT RAIL LINE?? There's NO rail line into Newcastle mate
So therefore what's the point having this thread anymore??? Lock it and send it to the archive
cityrail-rulez
No, it should not be locked (no matter what side you're on), as their is plenty of discussion about this, such as now.

I made this thread for Newcastle Rail Line announcements. Perhaps I should have added "& Discussion".
  Northern Flyer Train Controller

This thread is a joke
Agreed, I believe this thread should now be locked and sent to the archive

The Baird government should have left the line intact and reopened it to the public "why fix something that wasn't broken in the first place"

Newcastle WILL NEVER see the day of a replacement so-called light rail network. Lets face it! The reason why the original light rail was removed including heavy rail freight yards in Newcastle that once stood it's so people can drive around the place without too much traffic congestion but regardless traffic congestion will be on the rise again if this so-called light rail is completed and then it will get removed again "Very strange how this so-called light rail follows the original heavy rail corridore through to where Civic once stood" maybe that's where they should have closed the line to "Civic" I mean (It would have just been like old times when Civic was originally called Newcastle)

But all they had to do is build over the rail corridore and raise the track at level crossings build bridges and then redevelope Newcastle, sadly we have a stupid government....

Anyway, what's the point now! The government thinks they cannot restore the line now, what a load of rubbish
the corridore formation is still there

Just lock this thread and lets NOT forget that the Baird government took away important transport away from the people of Newcastle
cityrail-rulez
The current government will be there until 2019. By then, there will be an interchange blocking the line west of Stewart Avenue and even more pedestrian crossings over the line. No government in the future will rip all that out for the low passenger numbers it would benefit.

If the Light Rail is not going to be built, why are they spending so much on design, procurement, survey, geotechnical investigations and other planning?
  Showtime Chief Train Controller

Firstly they are spending so much on the items because it is not their money they are spending and secondly the results of the goetech and other reports will easily be able to benefit construction of other developments along the corridor.

I said it previously, if this was to be a real going concern they would have done all this before ripping out the line.
Did they rip up George Street before they had done all the homework on the Sydney Light Rail extension? NO!
  Northern Flyer Train Controller

Firstly they are spending so much on the items because it is not their money they are spending and secondly the results of the goetech and other reports will easily be able to benefit construction of other developments along the corridor.

I said it previously, if this was to be a real going concern they would have done all this before ripping out the line.
Did they rip up George Street before they had done all the homework on the Sydney Light Rail extension? NO!
Showtime
If they were not going ahead with the project as you claim why would they bother spending any money?

The geotech and survey for Light Rail is being done right now along Hunter Street, NOT in the corridor. The only work being done in the part of the corridor not being used for light rail, east of Worth Place, is some contamination testing by Urban Growth. It has nothing to do with the work being done currently by TfNSW.

The government made the decision to truncate in December 2013 to give certainty to the community and investors. The community has been waiting 30 years for it to happening and since it has happened there has been an explosion in building and DA's put in for approval. The government made it clear at the time that Light Rail would not be ready until after Wickham Interchange was completed. The two projects have never been connected.
  Mad Panda Station Master

Location: NSW Australia
Tezza what a load of bollocks you do talk.

All the Geotech stuff could have been done while the heavy rail was still running.
All the interchange designs could have been done while the heavy rail was still running.
All the tenders for the rolling stock could have been done while the heavy rail was still running
All the options for the actual route could have been done while the heavy rail was still running.

Stop treating the people on this forum like morons
Showtime
Trying to get a track possession for drilling???   bwa hahah! Ludicrous Neutral
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are possible maybes.  If one had 70% detail design then perhaps.  However the timing of the closure of the old-industrial-ill fitting-poorly performing goods line that carried some commuters sometimes, was a political timetable, not a practical one.

Bring on the future!

It'll have its hiccups, but, grimly clinging to some notional novocastian glory day was always gunna end in tears.

Newcastle will never be the same.  But it was never going to stay the same either.  Smile
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

I thought I posted the below news article last night on here.

Newcastle tram submissions sat on.
I can't quote most of this article as I'm on a mega-slow internet connection, see http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3937191/tram-submissions-sat-on/?cs=305
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4014131/development-on-corridor-photos-video-poll/?cs=305

We told you so that developers couldn't wait to get their mits on this rail corridor. Urban Growth (more like Urban Greed) has put a proposal to rezone the rail corridor.

By the way, I and others that support some form of rail in the corridor are NOT against development, we are against greedy development.

If they want to develop it, but the tram line under development, similar to Christchurch's tourist tram, North Sydney, Kogarah, Hurstville stations, etc.

Urban Growth wants as high as 20 to 30 metres, up to 9 stories - I can almost guarantee that UG would want to put a proposal to increase that maximum height.

Newcastle City Council is meant to have the final say, but I can almost guarantee that by that time, it will be too late, as "Dictator-like Baird" would succeed in a forced merger between NCC & Port Stephens Council.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
This may have already been pointed out earlier in the thread but isn't the government trying to dispose of 15 year old trams from Sydney's original light rail line at the same time as they're sitting on their hands with the Newcastle light rail thing?
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

This may have already been pointed out earlier in the thread but isn't the government trying to dispose of 15 year old trams from Sydney's original light rail line at the same time as they're sitting on their hands with the Newcastle light rail thing?
don_dunstan
So What?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
This may have already been pointed out earlier in the thread but isn't the government trying to dispose of 15 year old trams from Sydney's original light rail line at the same time as they're sitting on their hands with the Newcastle light rail thing?
So What?
nswtrains
Well if they were serious about a small Newcastle light rail network wouldn't it be a good idea to just put them aside till it's ready? Or is there some technical reason why a 15 year-old LRV wouldn't be suitable for Newcastle.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

I'm not doing this on behalf of anyone, but I've just found by the radio that their is a rally at Perkins or Wolfe Streets to keep the corridor as a rail corridor (note the word transport, not rail) between 11:00 & 12:00 today.

And the poll in the Herald here: http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4015176/buildings-parks-for-newcastle-rail-line-under-rezone-plan-photos-video-poll/?cs=305 & I also have a similar poll in my signature at my Newcastle Flyer Blog Spot.

Herald poll early this morning was about 970 to keep it as transport corridor. That was the most popular vote. Now at time of writing, out of 3,349 votes, Developed heavily 136 (4.06%), Deveoped in parts 1,057 (31.56%), Developed as green space 884 (26.4%), Kept as a transport corridor 1,272 (37.98%)
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I'm not doing this on behalf of anyone, but I've just found by the radio that their is a rally at Perkins or Wolfe Streets to keep the corridor as a rail corridor (note the word transport, not rail) between 11:00 & 12:00 today.

And the poll in the Herald here: http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4015176/buildings-parks-for-newcastle-rail-line-under-rezone-plan-photos-video-poll/?cs=305 & I also have a similar poll in my signature at my Newcastle Flyer Blog Spot.

Herald poll early this morning was about 970 to keep it as transport corridor. That was the most popular vote. Now at time of writing, out of 3,349 votes, Developed heavily 136 (4.06%), Deveoped in parts 1,057 (31.56%), Developed as green space 884 (26.4%), Kept as a transport corridor 1,272 (37.98%)
Newcastle Express
Waste of time. If the NSW Government can give away public land in place like Barangaroo so a multi-billionaire can build an unwanted casino, do you think they give a f*ck about the great unwashed in a far less important city?
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
I thought they were going to leave the track there and just remove the fences, which was logical, as usual we have a farce.
  brissim Chief Train Controller

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Herald poll early this morning was about 970 to keep it as transport corridor. That was the most popular vote. Now at time of writing, out of 3,349 votes, Developed heavily 136 (4.06%), Deveoped in parts 1,057 (31.56%), Developed as green space 884 (26.4%), Kept as a transport corridor 1,272 (37.98%)
Newcastle Express
Ignore that Newcastle Herald poll - its obviously been manipulated. When I voted on it last night the "green space" and "keep as transport corridor" options had 60-70% of the vote with about 2,000 total votes (can't remember the exact numbers). As of now (3.14PM) the second option of "developed in parts" has suddenly grown by about 2,000 "votes" and now sits just over 50% of the votes.

Tony
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Brissm, I've just contacted The Herald, and they said that they use Polldaddy to create polls, exactly the same as I use, BUT

I've just discovered for the Rail Corridor (AND ONLY) the rail corridor poll that you can vote multiple times in their poll. I made a test poll so I don't disturb my official polls. I then tried to vote multiple times in my own poll using private mode on the same ISP network. It only registered once, and could not vote more than once.

BUT I went to a non-related subject poll in the Herald, voted for an option, tried to vote again, but comes up with "Thank you, we have already counted your vote."

IF you have a pro Polldaddy account, here is a summary of the info:
With a pro account you can view individual votes, view total votes per IP address, delete votes from certain IP addresses and view what countries your voter came from. Once you upgrade you can see all of this data from your previous polls too. Upgrade your account today to access this great feature.
Somebody
The Herald claims that you need to contact Polldaddy, but I have my doubts, and a pro account allows you to invite by email.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

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Herald poll early this morning was about 970 to keep it as transport corridor. That was the most popular vote. Now at time of writing, out of 3,349 votes, Developed heavily 136 (4.06%), Deveoped in parts 1,057 (31.56%), Developed as green space 884 (26.4%), Kept as a transport corridor 1,272 (37.98%)
When I voted on it last night the "green space" and "keep as transport corridor" options had 60-70% of the vote with about 2,000 total votes (can't remember the exact numbers). As of now (3.14PM) the second option of "developed in parts" has suddenly grown by about 2,000 "votes" and now sits just over 50% of the votes.

Tony
brissim
Interesting Brissm, as the same as gone from about 2,000 votes to well over 3,800 - but within about just over an hour.

Yet should greyhound racing be banned poll in the same The Herald is more stable (& you can't vote in it more than once on the same ISP network) from the same poll company website (Polldaddy) is more stable, and the voting results change in a more reasonable manner.
  Northern Flyer Train Controller

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4014131/development-on-corridor-photos-video-poll/?cs=305

We told you so that developers couldn't wait to get their mits on this rail corridor. Urban Growth (more like Urban Greed) has put a proposal to rezone the rail corridor.

By the way, I and others that support some form of rail in the corridor are NOT against development, we are against greedy development.

If they want to develop it, but the tram line under development, similar to Christchurch's tourist tram, North Sydney, Kogarah, Hurstville stations, etc.

Urban Growth wants as high as 20 to 30 metres, up to 9 stories - I can almost guarantee that UG would want to put a proposal to increase that maximum height.

Newcastle City Council is meant to have the final say, but I can almost guarantee that by that time, it will be too late, as "Dictator-like Baird" would succeed in a forced merger between NCC & Port Stephens Council.
Newcastle Express
What is "greedy development"?
  tezza Chief Commissioner

Greedy development is the desire to use more than the 25% of the corridor allocation for Urban Growth's renewal plan, as it stands at tje moment we have 50% of the corridor retained for public transport, 25% for development and 25% designated open space.

Downer are now carrying out decontamination works and by the end of August 4 redundant footbridges will be removed from Argyle and Perkins Street, Market Street and the Queens Wharf overbridge. Check out the PDFs in the link


http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/projects-newcastle-light-rail/current-works
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

Greedy development is the desire to use more than the 25% of the corridor allocation for Urban Growth's renewal plan, as it stands at tje moment we have 50% of the corridor retained for public transport, 25% for development and 25% designated open space.

Downer are now carrying out decontamination works and by the end of August 4 redundant footbridges will be removed from Argyle and Perkins Street, Market Street and the Queens Wharf overbridge. Check out the PDFs in the link


http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/projects-newcastle-light-rail/current-works
tezza
Give the whole corridor to the developers. Newcastle has forfeited the right to any rail transport with it's inherent efficiencies. Build the Fassifern - Hexham bypass and close the existing route via Broadmeadow as well.

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