$1 million for upgrading rail siding at the Canberra Railway Freight Terminal (Fyshwick)

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Canberra yard to receive funding for upgrades for freight just announced.  This is good news for the local freight business.

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Is the yard in in good shape otherwise ?
  SEMartin Chief Train Controller

Location: Canberra ACT
Is the yard in in good shape otherwise ?
freightgate
Freightgate - The current yard in Kingston has had it, particularly the access road (largely unmade) and 'hardstand' area (compacted earth). Huge potholes and poorly drained. Not to mention the zig-zag train movements required to get a train out of the yard and onto the mainline.

Today's Canberra Times has a story on Access Recycling's plans for a new intermodal terminal that will use the former Shell fuel terminal in Fyshwick and the long southern shunting lead that once served many private sidings in Fyshwick. Rail access was removed from the Shell site and remaining tank wagons scrapped earlier this year.

S.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

Reinstatement of the disused portion of what is now the north shunting neck and a simple turnout would solve the zig zagging arrangement to get onto the mainline
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Reinstatement of the disused portion of what is now the north shunting neck and a simple turnout would solve the zig zagging arrangement to get onto the mainline
tazzer96

The whole entire North Shunt is in operation and used by the ARHS.

I'm hearing that there will be points installed to the South Shunt line and the South Shunt will be where the hardstand will be installed for Access to load their trains.
  SEMartin Chief Train Controller

Location: Canberra ACT
Reinstatement of the disused portion of what is now the north shunting neck and a simple turnout would solve the zig zagging arrangement to get onto the mainline

The whole entire North Shunt is in operation and used by the ARHS.
LowndesJ515
Fixing the North Shunt access problem doesn't deal with the fact that there are serious subsidence and drainage problems on the 'hardstanding' (i.e. compacted soil) at the current loading point. Also, the continued buildout of the Kingston Foreshore residential development along the Causeway towards the railway yards will mean Access Recycling will have to move in any case.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Reinstatement of the disused portion of what is now the north shunting neck and a simple turnout would solve the zig zagging arrangement to get onto the mainline

The whole entire North Shunt is in operation and used by the ARHS.

I'm hearing that there will be points installed to the South Shunt line and the South Shunt will be where the hardstand will be installed for Access to load their trains.
LowndesJ515

Thanks for the update.

What was historically accessed on the South Shunt?
  SEMartin Chief Train Controller

Location: Canberra ACT
Thanks for the update.

What was historically accessed on the South Shunt?
x31
The most recent siding accessed via South Shunt was the Shell fuel terminal near the Ipswich Street overbridge. Rail access was cut to the fuel unloading terminal earlier this year. There were also a range of industrial sidings (mostly cement) that came off the south shunt.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The most recent siding accessed via South Shunt was the Shell fuel terminal near the Ipswich Street overbridge. Rail access was cut to the fuel unloading terminal earlier this year. There were also a range of industrial sidings (mostly cement) that came off the south shunt.
SEMartin

Do these businesses still exist?
  billbunter Beginner

Is the yard in in good shape otherwise ?
Freightgate - The current yard in Kingston has had it, particularly the access road (largely unmade) and 'hardstand' area (compacted earth). Huge potholes and poorly drained. Not to mention the zig-zag train movements required to get a train out of the yard and onto the mainline.

Today's Canberra Times has a story on Access Recycling's plans for a new intermodal terminal that will use the former Shell fuel terminal in Fyshwick and the long southern shunting lead that once served many private sidings in Fyshwick. Rail access was removed from the Shell site and remaining tank wagons scrapped earlier this year.

S.
SEMartin
  SEMartin Chief Train Controller

Location: Canberra ACT
Do these businesses still exist?
bevans
A couple of cement places exist in Fyshwick, but not connected by rail. There were plenty of sidings off the north and south shunts, but pretty much all rail connections are gone.

As stated earlier, the Shell terminal was demolished in early 2016. Other fuel terminals were disconnected from rail long ago.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Do these businesses still exist?
A couple of cement places exist in Fyshwick, but not connected by rail. There were plenty of sidings off the north and south shunts, but pretty much all rail connections are gone.

As stated earlier, the Shell terminal was demolished in early 2016. Other fuel terminals were disconnected from rail long ago.
SEMartin

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  rgmccau Junior Train Controller

Location: Canberra
The South Shunt had the Shell sidings and 3 others.  One went quite a long way down between the buildings to I think (what was) a cement plant(?).  At least one of the others went to a triangular(?) warehouse.  There was also another siding right back near Kingston (now the Toll yard).  The remains are all quite visible on Google Earth.

The North Shunt had 3 fuel sidings, 2 factories (one still has a sliding door in the back wall - Herzog Steel I think), and at least 3 other sidings. One was in use for cement at least in the 90s.

Ross McConchie
Canberra
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Ross would toll be interested in intermodal opportunities?
  Salty21 Junior Train Controller

Location: Canberra
Has the upgrade been commenced ?
  steven_h Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This is all a bit sad, come to think of it. The money was promised and the work would've allowed stable loading of wagons. Instead the work (if it even happens) is now too little too late as the freight contract has failed and the Museum has gone under.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
The Museum is certainly hurting, and the future is not certain, but it hasn't gone under just yet.
  Clyde Goodwin Junior Train Controller

will this idea still go on now
  trainz64 Station Master

Location: Sydney
Also interested in what has happened to this idea...
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
It's in the hands of the customer.
  Clyde Goodwin Junior Train Controller

Bingly Hall Thank you for that
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
@Bingley, thats a little cryptic for me - care to elaborate?
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

@Bingley, thats a little cryptic for me - care to elaborate?
james.au
Bingley just stating the obvious. It is probably a non-goer,
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
@Bingley, thats a little cryptic for me - care to elaborate?
Bingley just stating the obvious. It is probably a non-goer,
nswtrains
I'd probably say about 50/50.

The customer in this case recognises the benefits of rail, at least he did when I spoke to him a couple of years ago, but it's a relatively small family business and finding the time, resources and finance is not always easy when you have the day to day business to run.

I did hear an unconfirmed story last week that the scrap traffic is currently roaded to Goulburn and added to the QUBE log train that runs from there a couple of times a week.
  marvin Assistant Commissioner

Location: Mars... "The Earth? Oh, the Earth will be gone in just a few seconds!"
I did hear an unconfirmed story last week that the scrap traffic is currently roaded to Goulburn and added to the QUBE log train that runs from there a couple of times a week.
bingley hall
So a short haul shuttle from Canberra to Goulburn by rail would be possible.

Save on track fees and separate path from Goulburn to Botany(?) and return, save on driver and second person wages, save on engine and fuel costs... especially if there was no backhaul (Sydney to Canberra).

marvin
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