silvrail V/Gunzel

Location: Melbourne
Hi

Just received an error message this morning when logging onto Railpage, saying that I'm not eligible for using the "Radar" on this site!

It was working before earlier this morning at 05:30 & now it's telling me that I'm no longer eligible for this! Grrrrr! Someone please tell me what's going on?

I no longer can access it via my phone nor the laptop!



Thanks

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  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Someone please tell me what's going on?
silvrail
It appears access has been rescinded.

@michaelgreenhill? Halp?!
  silvrail V/Gunzel

Location: Melbourne
Could you please pretty pretty please with sugar on top & a cherry
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Maybe the service is now only available to those who contribute and post more than just requests for radar?
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
If aircraft radar, then several already eg Flightaware and Flightradar24
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
If aircraft radar, then several already eg Flightaware and Flightradar24
petan

Working well today and another example of just how much this site and the people who support and run it give back to this hobby.  We should all nominate the people behind this site @Michelle12 @bevans @michaelgreenhill for an order of australia.

If users think this site is not important to the hobby they are kidding themselves.  The radar is just awesome.

Three cheers!
  CLF6 Station Master

I concur, this new radar along with the existing railcams is really a credit to the admin, simply a fantasic service. Made small donation and will continue to be a supporter as such when funds allow to help keep these great features operational. Awesome stuff guys!

John
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
If aircraft radar, then several already eg Flightaware and Flightradar24
petan
Found it; thankfully train locations are finally available SmileSmileSmile
  NSWGR8022 Chief Train Controller

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Awesome application!

Better than ARTC webpage!
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
It would be even more useful if it gave us all trains!
  suburbansilvervlogs Beginner

It would be even more useful if it gave us all trains!
Graham4405
Well, for Sydney Suburban and Intercity electrics, TripView offers their locations. Combined with the radar, you're all set for the Opal network.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
It would be even more useful if it gave us all trains!
"Graham4405"

Well, for Sydney Suburban and Intercity electrics, TripView offers their locations. Combined with the radar, you're all set for the Opal network.
"suburbansilvervlogs"

Fun fact: That information is now public information.
  suburbansilvervlogs Beginner

It would be even more useful if it gave us all trains!

Well, for Sydney Suburban and Intercity electrics, TripView offers their locations. Combined with the radar, you're all set for the Opal network.

Fun fact: That information is now public information.
s3_gunzel
Yes, although you need to either create a program to parse the information, or download one, like TripView or Triptastic.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Working well today and another example of just how much this site and the people who support and run it give back to this hobby.  We should all nominate the people behind this site @Michelle12 @bevans @michaelgreenhill for an order of australia.

If users think this site is not important to the hobby they are kidding themselves.  The radar is just awesome.

Three cheers!
JimYarin
Brilliant, congratulations to those concerned.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Generally it is pretty good.
I'll have to check it out "out on the road" to check its utility.

There are some problems in the interpretation not provided by 4Trak itself.

In particular I found a train 4500, a Broken Hill to Port Pirie concentrate train listed as a train from Newcastle to Werris Creek.

How you automatically tell a train from its number remains a problem, given  four digit numbers mean different things in different states.

I was surprised to see locomotive 42202 listed as "NSWGR" rather than Aurizon.

But it seems to work.....

M636C
  suburbansilvervlogs Beginner

How you automatically tell a train from its number remains a problem, given  four digit numbers mean different things in different states.
M636C
Have you checked out the ARTC Train Numbering Guide? It seems to have some info for other states.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
It would be even more useful if it gave us all trains!

Well, for Sydney Suburban and Intercity electrics, TripView offers their locations. Combined with the radar, you're all set for the Opal network.

Fun fact: That information is now public information.
"s3_gunzel"

Yes, although you need to either create a program to parse the information, or download one, like TripView or Triptastic.
"suburbansilvervlogs"

Uh, hello: you're posting in a thread about a service which was coded by @michaelgreenhill.
Which, wait for it, parses information!
  suburbansilvervlogs Beginner

Which, wait for it, parses information!
s3_gunzel
I am aware of that, but I am referring to electric train services specifically, which don't appear on the radar
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Which, wait for it, parses information!
"s3_gunzel"

I am aware of that, but I am referring to electric train services specifically, which don't appear on the radar
"suburbansilvervlogs"

But which are in the data feed I provided a link to.
You're really not getting this at all, are you? I'll spell it out: It's not too hard to add, if you know what you're doing and have the time.
  suburbansilvervlogs Beginner

Which, wait for it, parses information!

I am aware of that, but I am referring to electric train services specifically, which don't appear on the radar

But which are in the data feed I provided a link to.
You're really not getting this at all, are you? I'll spell it out: It's not too hard to add, if you know what you're doing and have the time.
s3_gunzel
Exactly, I am aware that the electrics are in the feed. That's why I have been taking a look at it myself.

Thanks for spelling it out, it's clearer now. Of course it can be implemented if the devs have the time.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey

Uh, hello: you're posting in a thread about a service which was coded by @michaelgreenhill.
Which, wait for it, parses information!
s3_gunzel

And tested by a few loyal users of this site presumably?
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
None of the above would seem to help us Queenslanders. I'm not complaining, just wondering if it's on the radar as it were! Smile
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
In particular I found a train 4500, a Broken Hill to Port Pirie concentrate train listed as a train from Newcastle to Werris Creek.

How you automatically tell a train from its number remains a problem, given  four digit numbers mean different things in different states.
M636C
"M636C"

Train running numbers vs origin/destination/cargo are translated via a lookup table, which is obviously incomplete. I don't have 4500 listed on my spreadsheet so I'll add that. What is its return (empty) running number?
It's simple enough to determine if the train is within a particular state (they do have lat/lon co-ordinates, after all) which eliminates a number of combinations. Then it checks the listed locomotive (if known) to further narrow the possible combinations.
  MetroFemme Chief Train Controller

What about the locomotive database on here can it be used?

Again Railpage has exceeded my expectations and I wonder how many of the TDU crowd are over here now leeching off the great work?  Has the team considered making the service for contributors only?

Will metro trains ever be available or is this too much effort for a smaller return?

Well done Greenhill and team.
  M636C Minister for Railways

In particular I found a train 4500, a Broken Hill to Port Pirie concentrate train listed as a train from Newcastle to Werris Creek.

How you automatically tell a train from its number remains a problem, given  four digit numbers mean different things in different states.
M636C

Train running numbers vs origin/destination/cargo are translated via a lookup table, which is obviously incomplete. I don't have 4500 listed on my spreadsheet so I'll add that. What is its return (empty) running number?
It's simple enough to determine if the train is within a particular state (they do have lat/lon co-ordinates, after all) which eliminates a number of combinations. Then it checks the listed locomotive (if known) to further narrow the possible combinations.
michaelgreenhill
I just checked the latest MTP :

The empty from Port Pirie to Broken Hill is 4500S
The loaded from Broken Hill to Port Pirie is 5455S

So the empty is an up train and the loaded is a down train (which is "correct" between Port Pirie and Crystal Brook in each direction)

I'm pretty sure the train wasn't displaying the "S" suffix in Broken Hill.

The S means the train runs entirely in South Australia, which clearly isn't true, but perhaps it runs on the tracks of the former SAR for its full distance.

The train doesn't change numbers in Crystal Brook, but the empty takes advantage of the triangle to turn the NR class, which runs long hood first from Port Pirie.

I chased this train in both directions between Port Pirie and Gladstone in January while photographing other traffic.

One other train I saw was 1513, currently (as I post) loading grain behind FQ 03 in Gladstone.
This doesn't appear in the October MTP. Are GWA grains run "as required"? I recall the return is 5114.

So "5" seems to apply to anywhere on the Broken Hill line beyond Crystal Brook. I'm not sure if it went to Peterborough if it would have a different train number....

Some further thoughts:

If the title "Cargo" in the pop-up were to be changed to "Consist" it would match "Passenger" better than it does now.

M636C

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