Malcolm Turncoat's imploding act

 
  georges Train Controller

So that line has obviously been used a few times:-
Menzies in the House,
Menzies at Uni of NSW,
Whitlam at Blacktown.

I wonder who else has had a go.
Valvegear
Dates back at least as far as 1928. This joke page from Boys' Life (USA, February 1928) contains the quip under the heading 1-1-1, bottom right corner of page 40. The remark has also been attributed to Al Smith, New York Governor in late 19th/early 20th century.

EDIT: Above link not working, though I tested it in Preview.

Try this mouthful instead:

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=GmZsLdkFwS8C&pg=PA40&lpg=PA40&dq=I%27ll+tell+you+all+we+both+know+and+it+won%27t+take+any+longer.&source=bl&ots=rnYt17aG1l&sig=ZLmJBYWe9D5uroo3rnzGBaR5bJs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3oeXI0IHQAhVCp5QKHemrA-wQ6AEIIzAB#v=onepage&q=I%27ll%20tell%20you%20all%20we%20both%20know%20and%20it%20won%27t%20take%20any%20longer.&f=false

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
There's an interesting stoush happening presently over Bob Day's replacement in the Senate; as discussed in this ABC article. If Day's election is ultimately ruled by the High Court as being invalid then the Family First position on the South Australian Senate ticket will be wiped altogether meaning that there's a potential re-count - and South Australia could ultimately send either a One Nation or Labor senator to Canberra once the court case is determined.

Meanwhile, Malcolm Farr pens an interesting opinion piece on News.com.au continuing to fire speculation surrounding Malcolm Tunbull's position as Prime Minister. Apparently (so he says) Tones has said that his price for continuing to be a good, quiet back-bencher is a Cabinet position:

The former Prime Minister has made clear it is the only way he would be bound to follow government policy. He considers his post-PM role as a backbencher leaves him free to say what he wants.

Only the demands of cabinet solidarity would change that and prevent a blow-up of relations between the two men.
Without the ministry he would feel free to speak out, not just in defence of his legacy but on a range of issues which the Turnbull government might not want pushed into public debate.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Apparently (so he says) Tones has said that his price for continuing to be a good, quiet back-bencher is a Cabinet position:
"don_dunstan"
Leaving aside the conundrum of how he can continue to be a good, quiet back-bencher if he's given a Cabinet post, Turnbull may like to consider the old adage that it's better to have him inside the tent pissing out, rather than outside the tent pissing in.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Apparently (so he says) Tones has said that his price for continuing to be a good, quiet back-bencher is a Cabinet position:
Leaving aside the conundrum of how he can continue to be a good, quiet back-bencher if he's given a Cabinet post, Turnbull may like to consider the old adage that it's better to have him inside the tent pissing out, rather than outside the tent pissing in.
Valvegear
Hard to know if it will actually work though - Gillard had the same idea with giving Rudd the Foreign Affairs portfolio after his removal from the top job but ultimately it didn't fix the problem. Would Tones use a cabinet position to further destabilise Malcolm by leaking to the media? Seems likely to me.

Either way we seem to be in pretty much the exact same position as we were with Gillard and Rudd several years ago - a lame duck PM with an aggrieved predecessor circling, trying to destabilise the party while pretending not to do the same.  What did we do to deserve these pathologically power-hungry dimwits, I ask you...
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Would Tones use a cabinet position to further destabilise Malcolm by leaking to the media?
"don_dunstan"
With his track record of self-aggrandisement it would be a lay down misere. He has the unshakeable belief that God intends him to be the PM.
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
If Abbott had given a toss about the party he cared about, he would have done the right
thing and bailed out after this year's election. History shows that defeated PMs invariably
bail out quickly and move on to other things. Rudd and Abbott are quite exceptional in
that regard. But it also shows how many long standing MPs thing it is their birthright to hang around
forever instead of letting some young Lib colt or ALP Union solicitor have a go.
It's pretty depressing to see how uninspiring most of the new Federal MPs are working out.
Hard to pick any future Keatings or Howards there.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
t's pretty depressing to see how uninspiring most of the new Federal MPs are working out.
Hard to pick any future Keatings or Howards there.
"gippslander"
Harder to pick than a broken nose.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Hard to know if it will actually work though - Gillard had the same idea with giving Rudd the Foreign Affairs portfolio after his removal from the top job but ultimately it didn't fix the problem.
don_dunstan
Gillard was ultimately her own worst enemy in that little tussle. Remember, she made Abbott look good!
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Would Tones use a cabinet position to further destabilise Malcolm by leaking to the media?
With his track record of self-aggrandisement it would be a lay down misere. He has the unshakeable belief that God intends him to be the PM.
Valvegear
You should read his book... he genuinely has a belief that he was born to continue the legacy of Menzies and Howard because he's such a morally upstanding fine chap with a sense of decency, not at all about building his own empires.
Gillard was ultimately her own worst enemy in that little tussle. Remember, she made Abbott look good!
apw5910
She was too power-hungry and wanted to be the first female PM but ultimately found the job too hard, there's nothing more to that story. I still remember her protesting immediately after she seized power that she didn't want to be put into that situation and yet there she was grinning from ear to ear.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Tones has the easy job, just sit back, relax and watch Turnbull implode, and chuck a few bombs in any time you feel like it Smile
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Gillard was ultimately her own worst enemy in that little tussle. Remember, she made Abbott look good!
apw5910
Sold her soul to get the cliff-hanger election over the line to a small group of independents and basically had these independents force a tax for which she said there would be none only months before. She couldn't even wait 1-2 years and in the end implemented a tax that was doomed to failure. It didn't even achieve what it was supposed to do because if the exceptions and only off-shored CO2 when it did work and lost her political credibility in the process.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I think that "out of her depth" is a fair summation of Julia's tenure of office. She did some things well, but not enough.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
John Hewson continues to attack Malcolm Turnbull in his regular column in the Sydney Morning Herald, telling readers that Malcolm's populism on the South Australian blackout and being harsh on refugees amounts to a sell-out of his previously 'wet' Liberal positions. He also calls out the fact that there is no plan whatsoever for the future of the economy:

All we heard in the recent campaign was the slogan "Jobs and Growth" – we weren't even told whether that was positive or negative! It could certainly be the latter, if our economy remains flat against the background of a weak global economy and flat world growth, as power prices and other costs and taxes accelerate domestically.

C'mon, Dr. Hewson, you know as well as the rest of us that "jobz 'n growf" is just a slogan to try and allay public fears that the exact opposite is happening. Witness Malcolm in South Australia earlier this week trying to tell us that there are jobs-a-plenty raining down on people and that no young person will have to leave SA for a future (ABC):

"It is very important to recognise this. You have never had a Prime Minister who is more supportive, more committed to industry, advanced manufacturing, technology, science, engineering in SA — because we are putting the most advanced manufacturing projects in Australia in SA," he told 891 ABC Adelaide. Mr Turnbull said naval ship building, the future frigates program and submarine construction for the Australian Navy would create more high-skilled jobs and stop young people having to leave SA for better job prospects elsewhere.

In reality, that program is tiny and will only employ a few hundred highly-skilled engineering, design and fabrication personnel - IF and WHEN it ever gets off the ground with its billions of dollars in government money.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
At least Malcolm won an election, unlike Dorktor Hewson. "I'm going to do you slowly..." One of Keating's best.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Keating at his very best. No bad language, no name-calling, just a superb put-down.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Keating at his very best. No bad language, no name-calling, just a superb put-down.
Valvegear
I don't think we will ever see the likes of him again, he was the master -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCBx81LHMzQ- LaughingLaughing
Kind Regards
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Newspoll reports that Malcolm's two party-preferred has diverged even further from post-election lows and is now 47-53. Weren't continuing bad polls the reason why the party decided to knife Tones?

In the meantime nearly everything that Malcolm has tried to do since the election has failed, including the abortive attempt to initiate a gay marriage referendum... I sincerely think that it's time the Liberals looked around for an alternative leader. If the next leader has any capacity to recover their position in time for the next election it would probably be good if they could start now rather than six months beforehand.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
They won't do anything before the end of the year, maybe next year they might
Kind Regards
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Newspoll reports that Malcolm's two party-preferred has diverged even further from post-election lows and is now 47-53. Weren't continuing bad polls the reason why the party decided to knife Tones?

In the meantime nearly everything that Malcolm has tried to do since the election has failed, including the abortive attempt to initiate a gay marriage referendum... I sincerely think that it's time the Liberals looked around for an alternative leader. If the next leader has any capacity to recover their position in time for the next election it would probably be good if they could start now rather than six months beforehand.
don_dunstan

I'm trying to think of who they could get to replace him- they wouldn't go for Bishop after her role in knifing Abbott, so maybe Morrison? I can't imagine someone like Dutton would be any more palatable to the voters than Mal. They haven't got many options left...
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Newspoll reports yet another bad set of numbers for Malcolm Turnbull, with the two-party preferred yet again stuck at 47-53 against the government. Wasn't continued bad polling his excuse for knifing Tony Abbott - if so, when can we expect Malcolm to sack himself?

Meanwhile the Australian Financial Review compares Malcolm's rule to the ill-fated leadership of Julia Gillard in today's opinion piece by Aaron Patrick "Newspoll shows how Malcolm Turnbull is Julia Gillard in Liberal drag" (paywall):

The parallels between the current Liberal and Labor's second-last prime minister are remarkable.

Turnbull and Gillard overthrew first-term leaders who won power from opposition – the toughest feat in politics – after the new prime ministers centralised power and alienated colleagues.

Both vowed to run cabinet-based governments where decisions would be debated internally and everyone would get a say.

Both tried to escape what's been dubbed the "24-hour media cycle", where the government's leadership is so focused on managing the latest media eruption that it can't focus on good long-term policy.

Both had a tenuous hold on the House of Representatives and struggled to tame the Senate, where attention-seeking independents and minor-party MPs frustrated their plans.

Both struggled against an opposition leader who was prepared to do just about anything to win power, and revelled in the government's every failure.

Both were charming in private and unpersuasive in public.

Both started high in the polls and quickly descended.

I would add to that the fact that neither of them had any real understanding of what the actual issues are for the voting public and instead focused their attention on trying to fix easier "soft" problems like marriage equality, green energy and social justice type waffle/spin.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Oh well they can always screw the oldies and the sick again which always seems to be the way that they are headed.

  • Less Medicare rebates.
  • Increased Private Health costs and less government contribution.
  • Diabetes test strips are around $1.20/100 at the moment but after January they are either simply not available to many people needing them or they will cost around $70.00/100.
  • Taxing the self funded retired has now emerged as yet another possibility.
  • Potential increases 'justified' on the basis of poorer health of the aged. What else do they expect especially given the waiting times applicable to the hospital system.
  • In summary, screw those who have paid their taxes for donkey's years and tried to fund their own retirement.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Yes, but Malcom has had 5 bad newspolls in a row, I think Tones had 30 in a row, only 25 more to go;-), and it will get there don't worry about that!  
Kind Regards
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Newspoll reports yet another bad set of numbers for Malcolm Turnbull, with the two-party preferred yet again stuck at 47-53 against the government. Wasn't continued bad polling his excuse for knifing Tony Abbott - if so, when can we expect Malcolm to sack himself?

Meanwhile the Australian Financial Review compares Malcolm's rule to the ill-fated leadership of Julia Gillard in today's opinion piece by Aaron Patrick "Newspoll shows how Malcolm Turnbull is Julia Gillard in Liberal drag" (paywall):

The parallels between the current Liberal and Labor's second-last prime minister are remarkable.

Turnbull and Gillard overthrew first-term leaders who won power from opposition – the toughest feat in politics – after the new prime ministers centralised power and alienated colleagues.

Both vowed to run cabinet-based governments where decisions would be debated internally and everyone would get a say.

Both tried to escape what's been dubbed the "24-hour media cycle", where the government's leadership is so focused on managing the latest media eruption that it can't focus on good long-term policy.

Both had a tenuous hold on the House of Representatives and struggled to tame the Senate, where attention-seeking independents and minor-party MPs frustrated their plans.

Both struggled against an opposition leader who was prepared to do just about anything to win power, and revelled in the government's every failure.

Both were charming in private and unpersuasive in public.

Both started high in the polls and quickly descended.

I would add to that the fact that neither of them had any real understanding of what the actual issues are for the voting public and instead focused their attention on trying to fix easier "soft" problems like marriage equality, green energy and social justice type waffle/spin.
don_dunstan
Oh and for the record, both are left leaning, Malcom is actually a Labor Politician, dressed up as a Liberal LaughingWink
  Showtime Chief Train Controller

It is imperative that the Liberals dump Turnbull for a better leader, maybe Morrison.
I could not stand it if we went to the next election and we were saddled with Shorten.
The country might as well hang itself than try and live under the stupid policies of the Labor/Greens

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