New intercity trains too wide for rail line to stations in Blue Mountains

 

News article: New intercity trains too wide for rail line to stations in Blue Mountains

The NSW government will need to modify station platforms and rail lines in the Blue Mountains because the new fleet of intercity trains it is spending $2.

  suburbansilvervlogs Beginner

It seems that the trains only have two seats per aisle. Surely with the lack of the extra seat they should be able to shave off a few centimetres.

The extra disruptions that will be caused for Blue Mountains customers and freight operators is disappointing as well. Rolling Eyes

New intercity trains too wide for rail line to stations in Blue Mountains

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  simstrain Chief Commissioner

It seems that the trains only have two seats per aisle. Surely with the lack of the extra seat they should be able to shave off a few centimetres.

The extra disruptions that will be caused for Blue Mountains customers and freight operators is disappointing as well. Rolling Eyes

New intercity trains too wide for rail line to stations in Blue Mountains
suburbansilvervlogs
It's about time that part of the network was made compatible with the rest of the system.

Don't expect the pictures to be accurate for the whole train. While there maybe a first class section with 2+2 seating, usb charging and wifi. I would assume there would also be a plebs section with 3+2 seating and the bare basics.
  suburbansilvervlogs Beginner

It's about time that part of the network was made compatible with the rest of the system.
simstrain
Yeah, true. In fact if they still want to continue to use the OScars, then you are most definitely correct. I would have thought that they would have done it sooner.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
I happened to mention to a family member about the new trains being too wide and she said "Great I don't want them anyway". She was quite happy with the V sets.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I happened to mention to a family member about the new trains being too wide and she said "Great I don't want them anyway". She was quite happy with the V sets.
GeoffreyHansen
The v sets are still an option for a few more years up the blue mountains but these will be welcome at Newcastle and Kiama.
  M636C Minister for Railways

I happened to mention to a family member about the new trains being too wide and she said "Great I don't want them anyway". She was quite happy with the V sets.
The v sets are still an option for a few more years up the blue mountains but these will be welcome at Newcastle and Kiama.
simstrain
But when the V sets are withdrawn, there will be no more electric trains beyond Mount Victoria since these trains won't fit the Ten Tunnels. Cutting back the platforms is the easy bit.

I expect that an Endeavour set will shuttle from Mount Victoria to Lithgow (and Bathurst).

Part of the problem is that V sets have axle hung motors and the maintenance on those is much higher than the frame mounted motors on every suburban since the S sets.

The V set bodies will last forever, but the motors cost too much to maintain.

M636C
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Part of the problem is that V sets have axle hung motors and the maintenance on those is much higher than the frame mounted motors on every suburban since the S sets.

The V set bodies will last forever, but the motors cost too much to maintain.

M636C
M636C
Then it's a pity it's beyond our engineers to design and retro-fit a new bogie nowadays...
  M636C Minister for Railways

Part of the problem is that V sets have axle hung motors and the maintenance on those is much higher than the frame mounted motors on every suburban since the S sets.

The V set bodies will last forever, but the motors cost too much to maintain.

M636C
Then it's a pity it's beyond our engineers to design and retro-fit a new bogie nowadays...
apw5910
I'm not certain, but I think you could fit S set bogies without much trouble.

I've never understood why the fastest longest distance trains didn't have frame mounted motors when built.

The problem was that the prototype double deck U sets came before the production S sets and nobody thought about the long term.

I think the motors were basically the same, only the gear ratio was different.

You could probably arrange to fit S set bogies tomorrow if anyone understood and cared.

The guys at Maintrain could probably perform the change/rebuild, but I'm not sure that the problem is understood at executive level.

M636C
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I also wondered how the establishment would engineer stopping electric services at Mt Victoria .
Probably with a lot less drama than the Broadmeadow Newcastle section .
  MetroFemme Assistant Commissioner

Silly question but how does this happen?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I also wondered how the establishment would engineer stopping electric services at Mt Victoria .
Probably with a lot less drama than the Broadmeadow Newcastle section .
BDA
Fairly simple.

Rebuild the "dock" platform on the southern side into a 2 car long platform to enable cross platform change to sparks on the main southern platform.

There is already a large electric train storage yard on nth side on western end of station.

Southern side of same location can be rebuilt into a small storage yard for DMU's

The 600m long siding next to mains can be extended to freight train length and used for stowage yard for Sydney bound trains waiting for their slot.

The southern platform would be the terminating platforms for sparks, the nth platform would be the passing loop for freights and other through services, but these numbers are not huge.

The sparks west of Mt Vic would then be replaced with a DMU shuttle and likely expanded service through to Bathurst. Only the Bathurst Bullet would provide a daily run through to the city, rest shuttle with midday run to Bathurst to appease the locals about loosing their sparks.

The trains would come from XPL's converted back when replaced with new trains along with XPT. V-sets would sustain until then.

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