petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
I suspect the occasional bugs are from the source data eg XP2016 has been shown at Casino NSW since last night (now 11.31 am WED NSW time) yet the XPT from Casino to Sydney was shown last night at different times making suitable progress around Coffs. Similar with a couple of the NR locos with the same unit number shown at Acacia Ridge and south of Grafton yesterday at the same time. These are the only bugs I have detected so far. Not sure if XP2016 is broken down and left behind and if so then the XPT was making very good progress without the extra power unit.

EDIT; still there 2pm NSW time. the symbol has a smiley face before the digits.

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  M636C Minister for Railways

I suspect the occasional bugs are from the source data eg XP2016 has been shown at Casino NSW since last night (now 11.31 am WED NSW time) yet the XPT from Casino to Sydney was shown last night at different times making suitable progress around Coffs. Similar with a couple of the NR locos with the same unit number shown at Acacia Ridge and south of Grafton yesterday at the same time. These are the only bugs I have detected so far. Not sure if XP2016 is broken down and left behind and if so then the XPT was making very good progress without the extra power unit.

EDIT; still there 2pm NSW time. the symbol has a smiley face before the digits.
petan
When a train reverses the "source data" will often display the old lead unit number and old train number.

This will generally last for an hour and then disappear.

On 4Trak this is indicated by a greying of the identifier, this system does not appear to have an equivalent.

A good place to see this is at Moss Vale where Endeavours reverse every hour or two.

The odd numbered train number and southern end unit number remain displayed while the train proceeds north with an even train number and the north end unit number.

As I post, 2807 is seen (35 minutes ago) stopped on the down main while 2857 headed north at 16:38

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  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
I suspect the occasional bugs are from the source data eg XP2016 has been shown at Casino NSW since last night (now 11.31 am WED NSW time) yet the XPT from Casino to Sydney was shown last night at different times making suitable progress around Coffs. Similar with a couple of the NR locos with the same unit number shown at Acacia Ridge and south of Grafton yesterday at the same time. These are the only bugs I have detected so far. Not sure if XP2016 is broken down and left behind and if so then the XPT was making very good progress without the extra power unit.

EDIT; still there 2pm NSW time. the symbol has a smiley face before the digits.
petan
6:24pm NSW time Wednesday smiley face XP2016 is located about 30kmwest of Kyogle. Previous location was in Sth Casino so it moved around.   http://s311.photobucket.com/user/petanoz/media/Rail%20assorted/XP%202016%20Bonalbo_zpst18twmel.jpg.html
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
So "5" seems to apply to anywhere on the Broken Hill line beyond Crystal Brook.
M636C
Yes:

  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Interesting. How would a train to Peterborough have anything other than a "5".  It's not on a branch, south of Broken Hill, it's ON the Broken Hill line.

Moot point I imagine. What purpose would a train to Peterborough serve?
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
EDIT; still there 2pm NSW time. the symbol has a smiley face before the digits.
6:24pm NSW time Wednesday smiley face XP2016 is located about 30kmwest of Kyogle. Previous location was in Sth Casino so it moved around.   http://s311.photobucket.com/user/petanoz/media/Rail%20assorted/XP%202016%20Bonalbo_zpst18twmel.jpg.html
petan
A smiley face icon is a user's approximate location.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Interesting. How would a train to Peterborough have anything other than a "5".  It's not on a branch, south of Broken Hill, it's ON the Broken Hill line.

Moot point I imagine. What purpose would a train to Peterborough serve?
duttonbay

It is a while since I've been there, but aren't there grain silos at Peterborough (as in Gladstone and Crystal Brook)?

M636C
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

I've recently been sent the link to this site and have just spent some time "exploring" it. Can I add my thanks to the team who have been working to make this possible. I think the foundation has been built for a really valuable tool that I'm sure most of us would be more than happy to pay an annual subscription for.

Can I just raise a few points (which may have already been dealt with).

Perhaps I am not navigating the site correctly, but I think it needs the facility to search for a specific train or loco, as well as showing the time that a location of a train was last updated.

Thanks,
Bevan Wall.
  SinickleBird Chief Train Controller

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
The radar is sensational. Thanks to all who made it possible, and yes it is worth paying for.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Perhaps I am not navigating the site correctly, but I think it needs the facility to search for a specific train or loco, as well as showing the time that a location of a train was last updated.
"Bevan Wall"

Hi Bevan;
My understanding is that this is on the list of features to add. Not being a developer, I can't comment on whether or not it'll happen, but it's been raised.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
Perhaps I am not navigating the site correctly, but I think it needs the facility to search for a specific train or loco...
Bevan Wall

On the todo list

...as well as showing the time that a location of a train was last updated.
Bevan Wall
  M636C Minister for Railways

A couple of options....

Would it be possible to suppress the user locations optionally, since they do tend to dominate large urban areas viewed at a small scale?

Since so many trains operate with two units with radios working, would it be possible to optionally suppress the "circled 2" and only initiate the circled numbers with 3 or more units? My logic is that even if the number of the trailing unit appears, the type of locomotive provides information on the train type at a glance not obtainable from the circled number. This is particularly true for XPTs, Endeavours, 81 class (usually on grain or Limestone on the South, at least) and NR class (steel or intermodal).

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  rwatts Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide SA
...as well as showing the time that a location of a train was last updated.
Except it seems to calculate that time using the difference between the reported time in Eastern Daylight Time (perhaps the server timezone) and the time according to the viewing computer's timezone.  In my case I'm in Central Daylight Time and it displays that the train will be at the location in 29 minutes time.  For example the train through Blackwood this morning at 0724 displayed that would be at Blackwood in 29 minutes (07:53:ss AM).  All that I've looked show this way (except one was only 28 minutes out).

The above is trivial and low or non-existant in priority.  I've really enjoyed the past couple of days using the facility to track trains between SA and Vic.

Richard.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
A couple of options....

Would it be possible to suppress the user locations optionally, since they do tend to dominate large urban areas viewed at a small scale?
M636C
Possibly, yes.

Since so many trains operate with two units with radios working, would it be possible to optionally suppress the "circled 2" and only initiate the circled numbers with 3 or more units? My logic is that even if the number of the trailing unit appears, the type of locomotive provides information on the train type at a glance not obtainable from the circled number. This is particularly true for XPTs, Endeavours, 81 class (usually on grain or Limestone on the South, at least) and NR class (steel or intermodal).
M636C
No. Markers are grouped (I presume that's what you meant by "circled") based on proximity to each other, not by train, track, or any other means. For example, you could have two different trains on parallel tracks and, from a high enough elevation (zoom level), they would be grouped into a single marker until you zoom into a sufficiently low elevation to separate them. This has been employed for performance reasons; having thousands of distinct markers render when the radar opens causes browsers to lock up for a second.

I'd love to optionally hide the trailing units, however I have not yet figured out a way to do so reliably.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
...as well as showing the time that a location of a train was last updated.


Except it seems to calculate that time using the difference between the reported time in Eastern Daylight Time (perhaps the server timezone) and the time according to the viewing computer's timezone.  In my case I'm in Central Daylight Time and it displays that the train will be at the location in 29 minutes time.  For example the train through Blackwood this morning at 0724 displayed that would be at Blackwood in 29 minutes (07:53:ss AM).  All that I've looked show this way (except one was only 28 minutes out).

The above is trivial and low or non-existant in priority.  I've really enjoyed the past couple of days using the facility to track trains between SA and Vic.

Richard.
rwatts
Yep, completely forgot about timezones. Erm, I'll see what I can do about that.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
Yep, completely forgot about timezones. Erm, I'll see what I can do about that.
michaelgreenhill
Righto - that is hopefully fixed now. Radar will attempt to detect your timezone from your browser's settings (these are in turn provided by the operating system), and compensate accordingly. It now also shows the timezone abbreviation (e.g. AEDT) next to the marker's timestamp.
  rwatts Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide SA
Yep, completely forgot about timezones. Erm, I'll see what I can do about that.
Righto - that is hopefully fixed now. Radar will attempt to detect your timezone from your browser's settings (these are in turn provided by the operating system), and compensate accordingly. It now also shows the timezone abbreviation (e.g. AEDT) next to the marker's timestamp.
michaelgreenhill
Looks good.  A quick reload and 6MP4 now shows "Keith a minute ago (8:56:27 PM ACDT)" whereas previously would have said "Keith in 29 minutes...".  Nicely done!

Richard
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
In the short time that the Radar has been in use we've managed to exhaust the 50k map tile views allowed under Mapbox's free pricing tier - and the next tier up starts at $500 USD a month! So yeah, I switched map tile providers, in case you were all wondering why it suddenly looked different.
  Dave C Chief Train Controller

Location: Maitland
In the short time that the Radar has been in use we've managed to exhaust the 50k map tile views allowed under Mapbox's free pricing tier - and the next tier up starts at $500 USD a month! So yeah, I switched map tile providers, in case you were all wondering why it suddenly looked different.
michaelgreenhill
Thanks for your effort.

The changes of mapping seam to have at least partly fixed the only thing I was finding a little bit frustrating.
When using my desktop it responds very fast however when using my I pad mini it was very slow and almost unusable on both WIFI at home and Optus 4G and 3G. But on the WIFI tonight the performance was a lot better (not quite the same as the PC) but quite usable. I will try on 3 and 4G over the next couple of days and provide feedback.

Great effort and thanks for what you have done.

Dave
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
The mapping change  is also providing far more detail on the rail lines and yards etc. which is really good.

Interestingly the previous mapping worked well on my iPad.
  Shawy Chief Train Controller

I'd like to join those who have already applauded the radar. Absolutely brilliant! A huge thank-you to everyone at Railpage, and presumably 4Tel and ARTC, who have made this possible. It's a fantastic tool, and compared to 4Trak, being able to access it on a mobile device, or computers that won't allow Java, is incredibly useful.

My only comment is that those of us in Queensland have no such equivalent, and indeed find ourselves occupying a niche hobby where access to information by industry outsiders is more and more difficult as time goes on. Ah, Queensland!

Thanks everyone!

Cheers

Alan
  M636C Minister for Railways

The mapping change  is also providing far more detail on the rail lines and yards etc. which is really good.

Interestingly the previous mapping worked well on my iPad.
x31

The extra detail of rail track is helpful, as is the fact that the track outline remains visible until the coloured lines appear. This was not the case with the earlier mapping.

However, track detail is unevenly distrbuted. It shows the present layout at Marulan South and at Lynwood quarry, but doesn't show the PN servicing tracks at Greta, nor Aurizon's tracks at Hexham, suggesting that different areas were updated at different times.

It shows some odd things, like the alignment of the Maldon Dombarton line and the location of the North Connex road tunnels under construction.

M636C
  SinickleBird Chief Train Controller

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
I really like the map format.

Only technical issue is that it repeatedly asks whether I will permit it to use 10MB of memory on my new iPad. It keeps asking, whether I choose "increase" or "cancel", which does become a little annoying.

SB
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Have not found this problem on my iPad but will poke around and see if I can do the same.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
It is a very good tool to have. Kudos to all those involved.

Is there any chance of integrating suburban trains, even if it means using timetable APIs like this does?

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