Ropes Creek Info

 
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
Hi all,

I am trying to find out info about the old Ropes Creek station, as I intend on making a HO scale layout based on it from when it was electrified in the 1950's and the very last train in 1986.

Does anyone know of any rolling stock that operated at Ropes Creek?

So far I know that Single Decker Suburbans (Red Rattlers), U sets, S sets (probably used in later years) and even 46 classes were used for shunting purposes (is that right?).

Thanks to all who answer.

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  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
When I was a Rlf Junior at Glenbrook in 1959, I remember selling Workmans Weeky's to travel on that line.
To obtain the concession, the person had to get a form stamped by the Small Arms Factory to verify their employment.

I always thought the line was mainly an industrial one as back then it would have been all bush unlike today.

Also I have the vague recollection that around that era, they used those clapped out old wooden suburban cars with the platform on each end and the trains ran a Yo-Yo between St Mary's and the end of the line.
Once steam was withdrawn in the Sydney area, 46's would have worked the line if it was suitably wired or Diesels otherwise for any goods trains.
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller



So far I know that Single Decker Suburbans (Red Rattlers), U sets, S sets (probably used in later years) and even 46 classes were used for shunting purposes (is that right?).

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"NSWGR_C3813"


you will spending most of your cash at Bergs hobbies for the passenger sets the only problem is the parcel van - the version your after is sold out afik..
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
ARHS Bookshop sell a suitable book on the Ropes Creek Branch by John Oakes that might be of assistance

https://goo.gl/5KarrY

Regards,

Catchpoint
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
So basically majority of Ropes Creek's trains were Red Rattlers...

Did any specific types operate on Ropes Creek? (Eg. Leeds Forge Standards, Clyde Standards, Tulloch 1940's & 1950's Cars, Tulloch 1964 Double Decker Trailers, etc.)

The other thing is that I would be literally THROWING my money at Berg's.

@viaprojects said that the Berg's Parcel Vans are sold out. Did any of these operate at Ropes Creek?

And what sort of goods worked there, and what locomotives pulled them?
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller


The other thing is that I would be literally THROWING my money at Berg's.

@viaprojects said that the Berg's Parcel Vans are sold out. Did any of these operate at Ropes Creek?

NSWGR_C3813


the electric parcel vans worked the line - parcel service.  berg's has 3 versions of the electric parcel van the correct version for the western line is sold out but two other detailed version are still on sale...
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Place the word Ropes in the Railpage search box on every page and enjoy all the results as it is an interesting line Smile
  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
Drivers eye view of the whole line not long before closure.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQC2A-faLpA

Credit to tressteleg1
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
I just have a few more questions:

1. Which types of red rattlers operated at Ropes Creek? Did by any chance the Tulloch Double Deckers appear there?

2. What were the freight operations like, and what locomotives pulled them?

3. What scenery is beside the station? I did have a look at the Drivers View of the Line, but it is low resolution and doesn't show enough of the background.

4. Oh, before I forget, @viaprojects, what do you mean by "the Parcel Vans on the Western Line?" Were they the ones saying FAST ELECTRIC PARCEL VAN on the sides, or maybe the Blue Spot Express Parcels, or were they plain Parcel Vans?

@petan, I searched up "Ropes" on the Railpage Search Bar, it really is an interesting line!

Thanks to all for your help!

NSWGR_C3813
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
In past years the area west of Parramatta was mainly rural dotted with small villages clustered around the Railway stations.
Allthough the Railway was electrified in the mid 50's, this did not cause many changes to the area.
But in the last 15~20 years the area from Parramatta to Penrith/Richmond  has literally exploded as the Sydney area began to expand and along with the building of roads, one being a 'Motorway' of 4 lanes all the way to Katoomba now, what were once Villages are now full blown suburbs with all the features and facilities you would expect to find to service the increasing population.
Ropes Creek sits between these two major roads and what were once 'acres' of Trees, orchards, chook sheds are now suburbs with paved streets and shopping precincts.
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

I just have a few more questions:

1. Which types of red rattlers operated at Ropes Creek? Did by any chance the Tulloch Double Deckers appear there?
NSWGR_C3813


yes not many trips on the line,  there where a few s sets before the line closed. you can say a Tangara done the line but leave it off the list...



4. Oh, before I forget, @viaprojects, what do you mean by "the Parcel Vans on the Western Line?" Were they the ones saying FAST ELECTRIC PARCEL VAN on the sides, or maybe the Blue Spot Express Parcels, or were they plain Parcel Vans?

NSWGR_C3813


plain reds with a small sign and the Indian red with wiskers parcel are the correct types...the ones saying FAST ELECTRIC PARCEL VAN ( big joke at the time ) are southern line vans. AFIK blue and white vans did not service the line, have to pass on the large blue spot vans
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Think I remember a picture of a Tangara, at Ropes creek. Unsure how the timeline worked, between introduction of those, and closure of the line.

Development in that area is off the planet, yet no corridor was persevered, light rail between St Mary's, and Windsor/Richmond?

Newcastle truncation?

Short term gain, long term pain.
  Spletsie Chief Commissioner

Given that the Ropes Creek line was closed in 1986 and the Tangaras entered service in 1988, they did not operate to Ropes Creek.

There was an unusual suburban run in the late 1970s/early 1980s called P1. It was formed by two parcel vans and two passenger carriages. I'm pretty sure it made a morning run to Ropes Creek.
  Spletsie Chief Commissioner

There was an article in the January 2015 issue of Railway Digest on Ropes Creek station. It had some photos of the abandoned station taken in 2009, and photos of what it looks like now as part of a cultural park.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

Think I remember a picture of a Tangara, at Ropes creek. Unsure how the timeline worked, between introduction of those, and closure of the line.

Development in that area is off the planet, yet no corridor was persevered, light rail between St Mary's, and Windsor/Richmond?

Newcastle truncation?

Short term gain, long term pain.
michaelgm
There used to be a Tangara carriage from the Wentworthville accident at Cochrane, was used by the Fire Brigade for training.

it was a bit of a mess
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
Tangara's at Ropes Creek? Doesn't seem right. I could recreate N5127 in one of the storage sidings, but Ausicion have been constantly been delayed, and the carriages aren't sold separately. (And Australian Outline Models are a COMPLETE Rip Off!) I could use Sketchup to scratchbuild the car as well as S set Motor Car C3866. I haven't said anything about it yet, but I'm recreating Ropes Creek in Sketchup, so I have all of my research in one place. I will upload screenshots soon.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Rail fan trip reports in magazines used to mention cameras being stored by authorities due security while at Ropes Ck.
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
Does anyone have or have seen any photographs of N5127 and C3866 at Dunheved? So far I only have found two...

http://www.nswrail.net/locations/photos/dunheved02.jpg

http://www.nswrail.net/locations/photos/dunheved01.jpg
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

Does anyone have or have seen any photographs of N5127 and C3866 at Dunheved? So far I only have found two...

http://www.nswrail.net/locations/photos/dunheved02.jpg

http://www.nswrail.net/locations/photos/dunheved01.jpg
NSWGR_C3813


you will not find much.  besides there not the only two units used over time...... search the site. station and line are separate topics

hit http://www.robx1.net for a basic idea of what used on the western line tracks during the 1970's ...

just a note - the line was closed in many ways...  and the 46 locos jumped the track on sharp turns so they did not pass Dunheved yard s much....
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
I guess there isn't much point of modelling those cars, as they were at Dunheved, rather than Ropes Creek specifically. But did mixed Double Deck/Single Deck sets work Ropes Creek. What about those stanky wooden cars? Were Bradfields and Wooden Trailers Used there? I could model a Tangara at Ropes Creek as 'What If' sort of thing. It's dissapointing that Ropes Creek closed. But what I think is funny is that the line closed in 1986 due to not enough profit, but with the new Ropes Crossing Development going on, the line would be perfect for such a place!
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

just run the standards , Tullochs and electric parcel vans . skip the freight and others.

the line only closed as it was a defence site and the large drop in staff. a full 8 carriage train vs a mini van of staff....all options where on the table but the cost to rebuild the line was a problem.
  Throughwestmail Train Controller

I guess there isn't much point of modelling those cars, as they were at Dunheved, rather than Ropes Creek specifically. But did mixed Double Deck/Single Deck sets work Ropes Creek. What about those stanky wooden cars? Were Bradfields and Wooden Trailers Used there? I could model a Tangara at Ropes Creek as 'What If' sort of thing. It's dissapointing that Ropes Creek closed. But what I think is funny is that the line closed in 1986 due to not enough profit, but with the new Ropes Crossing Development going on, the line would be perfect for such a place!
NSWGR_C3813
It really had nothing to do with profit, as the sole reason for the lines existence was to service the munitions factory and the surrounding storage areas.The Commonwealth government was the owner of all infrastructure on the line, it was maintained by NSW and their trains ran on the line. The decision to close the line was made by Canberra, as they did not wish to keep paying for a service that by the end had very few passengers and Dunheved and Ropes Creek stations both had to be staffed for the passage of about 4 services a day.
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
Which Tulloch ones do I use?

There's four different types of Tulloch Cars:

Tulloch 1940's Single Deckers

Tulloch 1950's Single Deckers (Like the 1940's types but with Automatic Doors)

Tulloch 1964 Double Decker Trailers (Mixed into Single Deckers until 1970's when S sets were introduced)

Tulloch 1968 Double Deck Motor Cars (Early Development of S set resembling the Tulloch Trailers)

Which ones do I use?

I highly doubt the DD Motor Cars on set S10 ever moved a millimetre on the Ropes Creek Line though.

There is some evidence of Single Deck U sets at Ropes Creek, so I'd have a single 4 - car set to make occasional appearances. Also S set suburbans have been to Ropes Creek in the past, so I'd do the same thing.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
Looking at Google Earth and thinking of a question asked about the area in general, how hard would it be to reopen the Ropes Creek line from St Mary's past Ropes Creek and through to ROUSE HILL to connect with the currently being built line ??
This area of western Sydney is continually growing with Rouse Hill going from a few houses on acreage to a rapidly expanding suburb.
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

Which Tulloch ones do I use?

There's four different types of Tulloch Cars:

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NSWGR_C3813


all of them lost count of all the changes done to the reds, door and window changes, guard lights, it was a mix of units in the 70's  - may wish to look up the time tables at the time for a better idea of the service ie  City to St Marys all station to Ropes Creek    


if your doing a layout your limited to what bergs has in stock .....

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