SCT Announces Commencement of Dedicated Melbourne to Brisbane Freight Services

 
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
So rail wins or does not win ?

Is the traffic just moving between rail operators or is it coming from road ?

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
So rail wins or does not win ?

Is the traffic just moving between rail operators or is it coming from road ?
freightgate
That is always the question but in my opinion SCT offers the best chance of a nett increase in rail traffic especially given that they are across the entire supply chain.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Is this to do with the K&S Freighters contract?
Quite likely given that it was 33% of PN's traffic.
speedemon08
Channelling the PacNat bashers on the 'Page... why didn't PacNat chase down the BM SCT loading to compensate? It's not like they're allergic to hook-and-pull.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
That is a great start with four trains each week each way (assuming that is what 'four weekly return services' means).

Good luck to them.

Hopefully it is traffic off the road but should put a rocket up PN and BananaRail nevertheless.

We are yet to discuss the reasons why Aurizon wanted them off the MB7/BM7 services?  Does Aurizon need this capacity for their own customers?
Aurizon is preparing to run additional trains to Perth in the new year, so it may need more capacity on its East Coast services as a result of this new traffic.
Sulla1
I don't see an obvious connection but do not deny that there may be one.
Is there any substantial traffic ex Queensland to Western Australia?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Of the estimated 33,061 million net tonne kilometres in interstate trade between Western Australia and the eastern states in 2016, freight to and from Queensland made up 15.53% of that total. Victoria was 29.07%, South Australia 28.23% and NSW 27.16%. Seasonal horticultural produce, processed food stuffs, consumables and mining related manufactured items probably make up the bulk of QLD and WA trade. Aurizon uses its east coast services to position both Queensland and NSW freight in Melbourne for transfer west.
  Z VAN Locomotive Driver

Remember beer! 4 X west maybe a starting point as Perth Beer/Swan Larger was when SCT began bringing it East.
In CR days 30% back loading from west to east was considered fantastic. SCT in a short time got it unto 60% which is a quantifiable leap.
What the back load percentage is today I do not know, it would be interesting to hear.
From a Victorian perspective I question PN's ability to find extra loading. When we look at Mildura,Tocumwal and Warnabool they run less Goods trains than during the 1950's. Forgetting total tonnage we seem from an Enthusiast point of view not to have advanced at all.
If that is PN bashing fine but the total rail task in Victoria has declined compared with the 1960's.
20% return on investment is a wonderful goal but in these economic times of 2.5 return on fixed deposit for 9 months at a bank big companies should rethink and so should investors.
PTE.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
So rail wins or does not win ?

Is the traffic just moving between rail operators or is it coming from road ?
freightgate

My read is this:

Aurizon gets K&S work from PN
Auirzon loses SCT work (or in the video posted elsewhere, they punt it off)
SCT starts its own trains and as per the info up thread, attracts new customers to rail.
PN, not sure, their reaction isn't yet on the board to see.

So, based only on these statements, a possible net increase to rail.  IMO, if anyone is going to do it it is SCT.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
So rail wins or does not win ?

Is the traffic just moving between rail operators or is it coming from road ?

My read is this:

Aurizon gets K&S work from PN
Auirzon loses SCT work (or in the video posted elsewhere, they punt it off)
SCT starts its own trains and as per the info up thread, attracts new customers to rail.
PN, not sure, their reaction isn't yet on the board to see.

So, based only on these statements, a possible net increase to rail.  IMO, if anyone is going to do it it is SCT.
james.au
My limited and personal understanding is that Aurizon decided to kick SCT off their trains. Standard contract term means they had to give a years notice. SCT called their bluff, as Aurizon didn't believe it was possible for SCT to get services up and running in time to keep their current customers. Those customers would have otherwise been forced to go with Aurizon (or PN).

So, it came back to bite Aurizon as SCT have in the meantime secured additional loading on the east coast as there is now more room to transport those goods. In addition to that, thousands of m2 of new warehousing space have been added to SCT's property division.
I would expect to see additional loading continue to shift from road to rail in the case of SCT, as I believe that their current strategy is to maximise the use of rail for long distance logistics situations.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
I wonder what's going to happen to SCT's Acacia Ridge facility? Terminate the lease?

I also note in that video that SCT are intending to start running port rail shuttles to the Port of Brisbane within a year of their Bromelton terminal opening... That'll be the first regular SG freight train running past Acacia Ridge in how long?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
So rail wins or does not win ?

Is the traffic just moving between rail operators or is it coming from road ?

My read is this:

Aurizon gets K&S work from PN
Auirzon loses SCT work (or in the video posted elsewhere, they punt it off)
SCT starts its own trains and as per the info up thread, attracts new customers to rail.
PN, not sure, their reaction isn't yet on the board to see.

So, based only on these statements, a possible net increase to rail.  IMO, if anyone is going to do it it is SCT.
My limited and personal understanding is that Aurizon decided to kick SCT off their trains. Standard contract term means they had to give a years notice. SCT called their bluff, as Aurizon didn't believe it was possible for SCT to get services up and running in time to keep their current customers. Those customers would have otherwise been forced to go with Aurizon (or PN).

So, it came back to bite Aurizon as SCT have in the meantime secured additional loading on the east coast as there is now more room to transport those goods. In addition to that, thousands of m2 of new warehousing space have been added to SCT's property division.
I would expect to see additional loading continue to shift from road to rail in the case of SCT, as I believe that their current strategy is to maximise the use of rail for long distance logistics situations.
seb2351

Sounds like Aurizon did not learn from the lesson SCT gave the predecessor to PN all those years ago....
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Usual rooftop coverage for the vans via Bunbury Street today.



Appears they have been covered?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Usual rooftop coverage for the vans via Bunbury Street today.



Appears they have been covered?
bevans
There were a couple with black roofs, indicating that they have been additionally weatherproofed.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

That picture or video is not showing for me.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
That picture or video is not showing for me.
simstrain
For me it just shows a black rectangle. Perhaps it was taken at night! Laughing
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
That picture or video is not showing for me.
For me it just shows a black rectangle. Perhaps it was taken at night! Laughing
Graham4405
Me too
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
That picture or video is not showing for me.
For me it just shows a black rectangle. Perhaps it was taken at night! Laughing
Me too
YM-Mundrabilla
Me three!
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Video changed as previously it had some talking head with a rail image in the background.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
My limited and personal understanding is that Aurizon decided to kick SCT off their trains. Standard contract term means they had to give a years notice. SCT called their bluff, as Aurizon didn't believe it was possible for SCT to get services up and running in time to keep their current customers. Those customers would have otherwise been forced to go with Aurizon (or PN).

So, it came back to bite Aurizon as SCT have in the meantime secured additional loading on the east coast as there is now more room to transport those goods. In addition to that, thousands of m2 of new warehousing space have been added to SCT's property division.
I would expect to see additional loading continue to shift from road to rail in the case of SCT, as I believe that their current strategy is to maximise the use of rail for long distance logistics situations.
seb2351
IF this is true (no slight intended Seb but you did say limited understanding so I am hedging my bets) then it would seem a no brainer that SCT would move loading onto rail to maximise the train load. If you are already paying for the (massive) motive power costs, crew, fuel, path etc. etc and you had other loading you would put it on rail as the add on cost would be extremely cheap in comparison.

An integrated logistics provider such as SCT has the luxury of being able to move loading from one mode to another where it suits. That is one of the reasons their model works. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I for one hope they clean up, they deserve every success.

BG
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
My limited and personal understanding is that Aurizon decided to kick SCT off their trains. Standard contract term means they had to give a years notice. SCT called their bluff, as Aurizon didn't believe it was possible for SCT to get services up and running in time to keep their current customers. Those customers would have otherwise been forced to go with Aurizon (or PN).

So, it came back to bite Aurizon as SCT have in the meantime secured additional loading on the east coast as there is now more room to transport those goods. In addition to that, thousands of m2 of new warehousing space have been added to SCT's property division.
I would expect to see additional loading continue to shift from road to rail in the case of SCT, as I believe that their current strategy is to maximise the use of rail for long distance logistics situations.
IF this is true (no slight intended Seb but you did say limited understanding so I am hedging my bets) then it would seem a no brainer that SCT would move loading onto rail to maximise the train load. If you are already paying for the (massive) motive power costs, crew, fuel, path etc. etc and you had other loading you would put it on rail as the add on cost would be extremely cheap in comparison.

An integrated logistics provider such as SCT has the luxury of being able to move loading from one mode to another where it suits. That is one of the reasons their model works. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I for one hope they clean up, they deserve every success.

BG
BrentonGolding

Refer to the video in Bingley Hall's post of 30 November.  Its stated that Aurizon terminated (or words to that effect).
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
I think it's pretty clear that there is likely to be transfer of some business currently on both PN and Aurizon services to SCT.   That will be because there is competition in the market and that some existing customers have had to just accept the price/service proposition very much on a take it or leave it basis.   But SCT would neber have grown and thrived in the way that it has on even the east - west corridor if it was just about slicing up the existing pie when rail market share north-south on the east coast is abysmal.

SCT will have new business for sure and as I've stated previously and now increasingly appreciated by other Railpagers, SCT offer a total end to end transport and logistics proposition that basically fulfills every link in the chain as a 1 stop shop.   AS noted previously QR National acquired CRT in Melbourne to essentially get that logistics proposition happening but my view is  QR National at that time probably didn't appreciate you can't just hang that off your existing operation and expect it to work.   It probably needed to and perhaps still does need to understand that there is a huge amount of culture change required around service development to match what SCT does.    The Sadleirs van traffic on PN services out of Melbourne/Sydney from rail served terminals to Sadleirs terminal in Kewdale (Perth) also rail served is probably the next best model for the PN's and Aurizon's to consider where the overall logistics solution is with Sadleir and PN is just a handling agent for the line haul.

Now some Railpagers who may know more about this than I may say that Aurizon and PN effectively are working or moving to work that way in the fact they provide containers which are then road hauled to/from the clients warehouse/terminal but I still think its relatively small in the scheme of things compared to the way SCT now operates.

The investments from both SCT in its new terminals at Bromelton, Barnawatha, combined with relatively recent Victorian Government and ARTC siding works at Altona to facilitate SCT operations for north-south operation indicate to me that SCT really does see enormous potential on the east coast.  The fact that they've already identified an initial 1.3 million tonnes per annum says they are targeting business way beyond just recutting the existing cake.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia


The investments from both SCT in its new terminals at Bromelton, Barnawatha, combined with relatively recent Victorian Government and ARTC siding works at Altona to facilitate SCT operations for north-south operation indicate to me that SCT really does see enormous potential on the east coast.  The fact that they've already identified an initial 1.3 million tonnes per annum says they are targeting business way beyond just recutting the existing cake.
Trainplanner

Can anyone please describe the changes which have been completed at Altona for the North/South Operations?

So we will see SCT trains using the South to East SG leg at Brooklyn.

Are the Barnawartha services to be run separately from the Melbourne/Brisbane Services?
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
I think either 2 or 3 long sidings with fully signalized connection to the main ARTC line running north of SCT's current depot at Altona have now been in place for roundly 12 months.   They are also partly tied up in support the still to be established port-rail shuttles.   The lead in track to these sidings is used for SCT to get it's vans to and from Dynon for attaching to Aurizon's service and of course these are also used by SCT's Barnawatha shuttle.

It is purely a guess on my part but with SCT's announced 4 service per week operation from Melbourne to Brisbane it would seen logical that SCT use the Brisbane train.  In addition the SCT news release talks about traffic coming into Barnawatha from the north so I read that as coming in on their service from Brisbane so if it is going to detach loading from the north then it would seem logical to pick up loading for Melbourne as well and vice versa
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thanks for your thoughts and updates.  I would then expect the shunter at Barnawartha to be responsible for the collecting the loading from the exchange sidings?  How will this work from the east line?  I could image southbound SCT loading to use the west line?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
SCT ran CSR004 to Junee yesterday for crew training so I would imagine SCT crews will also be based there?
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

SCT crews will be from Laverton. Momentum crews will run the trains from Wagga or Junee to Brisbane.

No SCT crews to be based in NSW.

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