V/Line fare oddities - what is the best way?

 
  Voldemort Junior Train Controller

I am wondering about what is the most appropriate move in the following scenario. Some of you math geniuses may be of help here.

Raymond has bought a new home a few blocks from Tarneit Station. He works full-time in Caulfield so he commutes there and back during the week and buys a 28-day myki pass valid for the Melbourne metropolitan area. Each morning he boards a train originating from Warrnambool so he can have his daily breakfast of railway pie and coffee before the buffet closes (!) (?).

Raymond is a Geelong Cats member and likes to go to Geelong to visit friends and watch some of the games there during the weekend. One weekend he is called in to work in Caulfield on a Saturday morning. He manages to finish his work in time to get to the game at Kardinia Park starting at 2,30pm. After walking from his workplace to Caulfield Station what should he do, taking into account it must be within the rules allowed by Public Transport Victoria?

(1) Catch a metro train to Southern Cross and buy a ticket for a V/line train to South Geelong
(2) Catch a metro train to Southern Cross and buy a ticket for a V/line train from Wyndham Vale (the limit of his myki pass) to South Geelong, explaining that his myki pass is valid as far as Wyndham Vale (but is this allowed?)
(3) Catch a metro train to the city and change to another metro train to Sunshine, and then buy a ticket to South Geelong
(4) Somehow find a private bus service to Geelong?

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  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
Make sure he has enough money on his MYKI, swipe on at Caulfield, change at Southern Cross, swipe off at South Geelong and let MYKI deal with it and then do the same but in reverse on the way home.

If he feels he has been over charged submit a complaint with PTV.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Catch a spark to Sunshine and use myki for the trip to South Geelong.
a 2½ hour zone 2,3&4 fare will be an extra 52¢ since Raymond has already paid for the zone 2 component.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Unless Raymond had his child between 4 and 17 years old with him, or a senior, would V/Line even sell him a paper ticket?
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

You have too much free time on your hands, or your hands are on something else
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
I should add that to get the 52¢ fare using myki money you need to have reached the daily cap for zone 1&2, otherwise the fare to Geelong will be $3.22.
Also, the fare for the trip from Geelong will be more if you don't pass through the gates twice at Sunshine when changing for a spark.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Raymond has bought a new home a few blocks from Tarneit Station. He works full-time in Caulfield so he commutes there and back during the week and buys a 28-day myki pass valid for the Melbourne metropolitan area.
Voldemort
I have been thinking about a similar scenario.

When I travel to Castlemaine I travel from Victoria Park to SC by Metro then change to a Bendigo train. I pay $3.90 for my Metro leg when I touch off at SC. With a normal MYKI I then get charged $15.40 less $3.90 = $11.50 when I touch off at The Maine.

How would this work if i had a 28 day zone 1/2 Myki Pass? Would I still be charged $11.50 or would MYKI recalculate based on the per trip cost of the 28 day pass ($2.34?) so charge me $15.40 less $2.34 = $13.06?

I have looked it up on the MYKI website but can't see the answer. It says that the MYKI card (seperate to the pass) will be charged for zones outside of the zones that you have a Myki Pass for. The pass covers zone 1 > 2 and the calculator says Sunbury to The Maine is only $8.54 and is 8 zones (not including zone 1). SC to Castlemaine is 9 zones, Clarkefield shows as in Zone 2 and it is not until Ridells Creek that it recalculates to 7 zones (9 minus zone 1 and 2).

BG
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

Do you work for a high school math textbook publisher
  Flygon Train Controller

Location: Australia
Do you work for a high school math textbook publisher
tazzer96
If so, his questions are a crapload more useful than the ones I had to put up with as a kid.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Do you work for a high school math textbook publisher
tazzer96
Therein lies the clue to my problem - I was an A grade maths student until....... High School when they started with the One train leaves from the station at....... questions. I could never get my head around them and my maths grades slipped slowly but surely away Laughing

BG
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
Raymond has bought a new home a few blocks from Tarneit Station. He works full-time in Caulfield so he commutes there and back during the week and buys a 28-day myki pass valid for the Melbourne metropolitan area.
I have been thinking about a similar scenario.

When I travel to Castlemaine I travel from Victoria Park to SC by Metro then change to a Bendigo train. I pay $3.90 for my Metro leg when I touch off at SC. With a normal MYKI I then get charged $15.40 less $3.90 = $11.50 when I touch off at The Maine.

How would this work if i had a 28 day zone 1/2 Myki Pass? Would I still be charged $11.50 or would MYKI recalculate based on the per trip cost of the 28 day pass ($2.34?) so charge me $15.40 less $2.34 = $13.06?

I have looked it up on the MYKI website but can't see the answer. It says that the MYKI card (seperate to the pass) will be charged for zones outside of the zones that you have a Myki Pass for. The pass covers zone 1 > 2 and the calculator says Sunbury to The Maine is only $8.54 and is 8 zones (not including zone 1). SC to Castlemaine is 9 zones, Clarkefield shows as in Zone 2 and it is not until Ridells Creek that it recalculates to 7 zones (9 minus zone 1 and 2).

BG
BrentonGolding
How would this work if i had a 28 day zone 1/2 Myki Pass? Would I still be charged $11.50 or would MYKI recalculate based on the per trip cost of the 28 day pass ($2.34?) so charge me $15.40 less $2.34 = $13.06?

Short answer:
It should change you same as if you have a Myki money and will charge you $11.50

Long answer:

Zone 1 to zone 9 = $15.40 and then you minus the value of the Myki pass and which is zone 1 and 2 and which equals to zone 1 and 2 single Myki Money fare($3.90) = $15.40 - $3.90 = $11.50

The difference is  using Myki pass - The time when  MYKI single fare starts.
Using Myki Pass: the single Myki money fare time starts at the time you touch on at Southern Cross.

Just only using Myki money - the single Myki  fare time starts at the time you touch on at Victoria Park.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
I am wondering about what is the most appropriate move in the following scenario. Some of you math geniuses may be of help here.

Raymond has bought a new home a few blocks from Tarneit Station. He works full-time in Caulfield so he commutes there and back during the week and buys a 28-day myki pass valid for the Melbourne metropolitan area. Each morning he boards a train originating from Warrnambool so he can have his daily breakfast of railway pie and coffee before the buffet closes (!) (?).

Raymond is a Geelong Cats member and likes to go to Geelong to visit friends and watch some of the games there during the weekend. One weekend he is called in to work in Caulfield on a Saturday morning. He manages to finish his work in time to get to the game at Kardinia Park starting at 2,30pm. After walking from his workplace to Caulfield Station what should he do, taking into account it must be within the rules allowed by Public Transport Victoria?

(1) Catch a metro train to Southern Cross and buy a ticket for a V/line train to South Geelong
(2) Catch a metro train to Southern Cross and buy a ticket for a V/line train from Wyndham Vale (the limit of his myki pass) to South Geelong, explaining that his myki pass is valid as far as Wyndham Vale (but is this allowed?)
(3) Catch a metro train to the city and change to another metro train to Sunshine, and then buy a ticket to South Geelong
(4) Somehow find a private bus service to Geelong?
Voldemort

(1) Catch a metro train to Southern Cross and buy a ticket for a V/line train to South Geelong

Only free travel Vouchers or Family pass users can buy a V/Line to MYKI area such as to Geelong when travelling to/from Melbourne.  A single person without a travel Voucher needs a Myki.

(2) Catch a metro train to Southern Cross and buy a ticket for a V/line train from Wyndham Vale (the limit of his myki pass) to South Geelong, explaining that his myki pass is valid as far as Wyndham Vale (but is this allowed?)
A single person without a travel Voucher needs a Myki for only  travel inside Myki area.

Yes,you can have MYKI pass and then use MYKI money to travel outside area of the MYKI Money.

It should work like this :
Fare:  MYKI zone 1 to 4 Myki Money fare -  Myki pass and which is equal to (Myki money fare of Zone 1 and 2)

Peak fare example : MYKI zone 1 to 4 Myki Money fare:$12.20 - $3.90 = $8.30

(3) Catch a metro train to the city and change to another metro train to Sunshine, and then buy a ticket to South Geelong
A single person without a travel Voucher needs a Myki for only  travel inside Myki area.
It should work like this :
Fare:  MYKI zone 2 to 4 Myki Money fare -  Myki pass and which is equal to (Myki money fare of zone 2)example : MYKI zone 2 to 4 Myki Money fare:$3.22 $2.70 = $0.52
(4) Somehow find a private bus service to Geelong?

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