Malcolm Turncoat's imploding act

 
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Meanwhile it's interesting to see what's happening with Pauline Hanson - it appears that her relationship with her Western Australian senator Rob Culleton is terminally broken (ABC News) as he's refusing to meet with her or vote according to direction. Given that his election is subject to a high court challenge later this month I'd say that that it's likely he will lose his seat anyway.

Some people are saying that there's no way Pauline's party will survive this time around but personally I think she's a seasoned politician now and she won't allow her organisation to fly apart in the same manner that Clive Palmer did:

Senator Hanson insisted she would prevail through the tensions. "There are tougher things than Rod Culleton in this world," she said.

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  Showtime Chief Train Controller

"The green is strong with this one"
Deals with the nutty greens and now talk of a carbon tax.
The jig is up, time for you to go Malcolm
Because Malcolm just made it up on a whim of his own Laughing

If they introduced a stupidity tax for people like you we wouldn't need a carbon tax Razz
bingley hall
Well Bingley, nice of you to make it personal.
Are you an @rse to everyone or you just singling out me.
There are plenty of Liberals on the right who would be appalled at Turnbull's decision, and it is his decision, to start courting the Greens.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Meanwhile it's interesting to see what's happening with Pauline Hanson - it appears that her relationship with her Western Australian senator Rob Culleton is terminally broken (ABC News) as he's refusing to meet with her or vote according to direction. Given that his election is subject to a high court challenge later this month I'd say that that it's likely he will lose his seat anyway.

Some people are saying that there's no way Pauline's party will survive this time around but personally I think she's a seasoned politician now and she won't allow her organisation to fly apart in the same manner that Clive Palmer did:

Senator Hanson insisted she would prevail through the tensions. "There are tougher things than Rod Culleton in this world," she said.
don_dunstan
But Culleton's replacement would be his brother-in-law.  I doubt he would tow the line with Pauline - he'll probably be an Independent senator.

As for Hanson - she's one tough cookie.  Much smarter than how she's portrayed by the media.  I still wouldn't vote for her, but will defend her right to say what she says.

Interesting to note that Dick Smith is now publicly supportive of her.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
As for Hanson - she's one tough cookie.  Much smarter than how she's portrayed by the media.  I still wouldn't vote for her, but will defend her right to say what she says.

Interesting to note that Dick Smith is now publicly supportive of her.
Carnot
I think many people are starting to accept the reality of the situation that One Nation are going to be a permanent fixture of the landscape and as Johnny Howard said recently, our politicians can't continue to marginalise them because they're going to eventually have to make deals. It's also very likely that One Nation will be king-makers in the next Queensland election whenever that occurs - they are likely to out-poll the Greens to become the official third party force.

Love her or hate her, you have to admire her tenacity and staying power.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Interesting to note that Dick Smith is now publicly supportive of her.
Carnot

I'm more than a little surprised that Dickie boy hasn't entered politics before now. He's had a finger in just about every other pie at some stage.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Interesting to note that Dick Smith is now publicly supportive of her.

I'm more than a little surprised that Dickie boy hasn't entered politics before now. He's had a finger in just about every other pie at some stage.
Graham4405
Too smart for that... Like the Labor Party endlessly trying to court people like Eddy McGuire (apparently - although they did manage to successfully get his brother to run for the seat of Broadmeadows). Why would any celebrity bother, they're usually better off where they are.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Too smart for that...
don_dunstan
You probably have a point there, there are probably quite a few in that category.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
We have a million people attending universities and vocational education at any one time and yet for some reason we can't actually train people to graduate with skills that we actually need as a country - so we have to import them (ABC News):

Education Minister Simon Birmingham has raised the prospect of importing more specialist maths and science teachers from overseas to address a long-term decline in high school student performance.

Why not just use our own universities to train them, Senator Birmingham? Or are the ones that we produce here not good enough?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

We have a million people attending universities and vocational education at any one time and yet for some reason we can't actually train people to graduate with skills that we actually need as a country - so we have to import them (ABC News):

Education Minister Simon Birmingham has raised the prospect of importing more specialist maths and science teachers from overseas to address a long-term decline in high school student performance.

Why not just use our own universities to train them, Senator Birmingham? Or are the ones that we produce here not good enough?
don_dunstan
Except that very few Australians want to study maths and science (+ Dip.Ed or M.Ed) anymore.  It's a kind of death spiral - insufficient teaching results in poor maths results and those learning it in High School, which results in fewer learning it in Uni and so on....

There are more VCE students studying and completing Literature than Specialist Mathematics.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Except that very few Australians want to study maths and science (+ Dip.Ed or M.Ed) anymore.  It's a kind of death spiral - insufficient teaching results in poor maths results and those learning it in High School, which results in fewer learning it in Uni and so on....

There are more VCE students studying and completing Literature than Specialist Mathematics.
Carnot
I don't understand the panic that we have fallen down the rankings in maths and science, it's not where the money or the jobs are in Australia - that's why the kids aren't doing it. Why spend years of your life and tens of thousands in HECS money only to find that the work doesn't exist? For example, we don't engineer very much in this country any longer, therefore there's no need for engineers (maybe construction engineers).

You don't need maths or science to make lattes or wipe bums in nursing homes and you certainly don't need it for speculating in real estate - and that's where the actual jobs and money in Turnbull's Australia are - not in some vague STEM-related job that doesn't actually exist.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Except that very few Australians want to study maths and science (+ Dip.Ed or M.Ed) anymore.  It's a kind of death spiral - insufficient teaching results in poor maths results and those learning it in High School, which results in fewer learning it in Uni and so on....

There are more VCE students studying and completing Literature than Specialist Mathematics.
I don't understand the panic that we have fallen down the rankings in maths and science, it's not where the money or the jobs are in Australia - that's why the kids aren't doing it. Why spend years of your life and tens of thousands in HECS money only to find that the work doesn't exist? For example, we don't engineer very much in this country any longer, therefore there's no need for engineers (maybe construction engineers).

You don't need maths or science to make lattes or wipe bums in nursing homes and you certainly don't need it for speculating in real estate - and that's where the actual jobs and money in Turnbull's Australia are - not in some vague STEM-related job that doesn't actually exist.
don_dunstan
Engineering is now going multi-disciplinary - i.e Civil, mechanical and electrical rolled into one.  Makes sense for a lot of infrastructure projects and decent maths knowledge is vital.

As for lattes and nursing homes, perhaps Australia is fast becoming a "Barista Republic" or "Pensionertopia" or something...
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
And now the Turbull Govt is against an ETS or whatever the heck you call it, fairdinkum!! more backflips than a Russian Gymnast!! does anyone knows what he wants??
  jibbonpoint Chief Commissioner

Location: Shoalhaven
Turnbull's not leading the Govt: the government is leading him. The likes of Banardi, Abetz et al. .right wing Christian mob. I hope he can push back, myself, & survive.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I know some people may disagree with me here and that's fine, but Tony Abbott is making more and more noises in the print media at the moment, don't be surprised if something happens in the next year
Kind Regards
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Poor Scott Morrison sounds more and more desperate all the time - he was out at lunchtime today assuring us that we are still on track for a 2021 budget surplus despite the 0.5% negative growth in GDP today. There's an interesting chart in this Financial Review article spelling out where the problems really are and it's interesting to see that NSW and VIC are finally spluttering as the sole engine of the economy... WA lets the team down dreadfully as expected, 3% contraction in final state product in the last quarter.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
In a politics related vein: Is Bob Carr becoming our very own Tokyo Rose?

IN this wide-ranging opinion piece in Fairfax today, Carr condemns President-elect Trump in the strongest terms and says that he's on the path to starting a war with the peace-loving Chinese government; simply because he accepted a congratulatory phone call from the Taiwanese president some weeks ago:

When I became foreign minister in 2012 Alexander Downer advised that it is always easy to produce a Cold War with China if you want. Which is what Trump may now be doing...

...Now is the time for Australia to quietly pull back from closer integration with US armed forces – given the erratic character and danger of their commander-in-chief.

His articles would have much more credibility if he didn't head an entire university faculty - the Orwellian titled "China-Australian Relations Institute" - that was entirely funded by a Chinese government connected entity.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
We need someone to come here and "drain the swamp"... urgently. Former Labor Senator Stephen Conroy proves what a joke our political system has become by becoming a director of a new lobbyist group oddly-titled "Responsible Wagering Australia" - paid for by the biggest gambling interests in the country of course (Fairfax). While there's nothing actually illegal about it, it seems quite nauseating that Conroy will become a paid shill for an industry whose very existence relies on the exploitation of the vulnerable and poor - especially younger working class men who studies identify as the most at risk of problem gambling time and time again. But Conroy's role will be primarily to alert his paymasters if there's any sniff in the wind that their industry might be subject to tighter regulation:

As Nick Xenophon, the senator who locked horns more than most with this industry, told Fairfax Media on Thursday morning, the clear role of the gambling industry lobbyist is to warn it ahead of time if some politician has worked up the courage to propose reform, then help dilute that reform.

Remember, Conroy started as a bright-eyed and bushy-tailed Labor senator years ago with a maiden speech that declared he would use his time in office to ensure that a kinder, gentler capitalism would ensure - one that didn't marginalise or drive people to homelessness or suicide. Hmm...
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I see that Julie Bishop has announced a review of the entitlements of Australia's overseas diplomats.
I await with bated breath the enquiry into the MP's trough which has snouts in it 24/7.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Malcolm Turnbull loses another Newspoll 47/53 - I believe this is now eight polls in a row he's lost, every single one since the election. How many more will he need to lose before his own party turf him? I guess Parliament has risen for the year now so Mal has a reprieve until at least February.
  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gen X purgatory/urban Joh-land
The annual change of PM must be about due. So much for strong and stable government.

And any guesses on who will get burnt worst by the pending apartment bust? That should have an impact on foreign willingness to invest here.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The annual change of PM must be about due. So much for strong and stable government.
locojoe67
It will probably be another six months of bad polls before the Liberal Party pull their finger out and do something. And we are also faced with the question that has dominated this thread so far: Who can they replace him with? Morrison? Bishop? Dutton?

And any guesses on who will get burnt worst by the pending apartment bust? That should have an impact on foreign willingness to invest here.
locojoe67
We will do to the Chinese what we did to the Japanese in the early 90's and burn them good and proper. Not that it should have ever been financialised and exported in that way anyway; houses are supposed to be affordable shelter for Aussie residents, not investment or money-laundering vehicles for foreigners.

Meanwhile Fairfax is reporting this morning that One Nation is now polling strongly in Victoria, stronger than either the Greens or the Nationals. It's going to be a major headache if they hold the balance of power in various state parliaments - someone is going to have to make deals with them to get government happening.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner


Meanwhile Fairfax is reporting this morning that One Nation is now polling strongly in Victoria, stronger than either the Greens or the Nationals. It's going to be a major headache if they hold the balance of power in various state parliaments - someone is going to have to make deals with them to get government happening.
don_dunstan
It's interesting too that the greens are polling very strongly in inner-city Melb.  The polarization away from the Centre continues.  As for One Nation - the ALP/Greens would never form a coalition with them.  But One Nation gains traction when the LNP betrays conservative values and pursues a Neo-liberal agenda.

It was the old-school conservative National Party stalwarts like Senator Ron Boswell who were most effective at neutering One Nation 16 or so years ago.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
old-school conservative National Party stalwarts like Senator Ron Boswell.
Carnot
Ahh, I knew Ron and his lovely wife Leita well many, many years ago...
  HardWorkingMan Chief Commissioner

Location: Echuca
It used to be common for leaders to lose popularity between elections - if they were doing something for the long term future of the country.  By the time the next election came around people could see the benefits in what they were doing and their popularity was restored.

It also depends if the polls are taken in a slightly different location or not. You would find the current Victorian Government very unpopular in the "SkyRail" areas but performing better in others (particularly if work on the second river crossing in Echuca starts - it has been on the drawing board for over 50 years, is needed and has been announced (again))

So they don't need to replace him yet, provided they have a long term plan for the country in place and the other parties pass legislation on it's merit not just party lines which is making all governments so dysfunctional these days
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Andrew Bolt is continuing to wage war against Turnbull and his supporters in the government with a wide-ranging (somewhat difficult to follow) diatribe in his column today ... you have to wonder what's in it for Andrew if Tones recaptured the big chair. Dinner at Kirrabilli House? A knighthood perhaps?

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