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  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Yes, freight trains join the ARTC mainline at Keilor East

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  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Yes, freight trains join the ARTC mainline at Keilor East
Nightfire

Ok I get you now.

The freight line gets converted to DG both tracks until at least past the airport junction which saves a new via duct and enables the SG and BG to be both on duplicated track and SG doesn't get a speed penalty.

The Airport line would then be dual SG track on a Via duct to the airport, then into a tunnel for the station and tunnel under the airport. The Airport station would be 3 platforms with a middle Dock Platform for airport terminators. The outer platforms through roads for Bendigo and freight.

The dual SG track would then continue under the airport and on the surface or in the tunnel head north with about 15km of near dead straight track east of Road C325 until past the north out skirts of Sunbury and then connect with the existing dual line which is then converted to SG and onto Benigo.

The existing BG line (~4.5km) from the above junction to Nth end of Sunbury yard would be removed and the through roads at Sunbury converted to storage roads.

South of the Freight junction I can see you could squeeze in a dual SG line south to Sunshine, but from there seems a bit of work to Tottenham.  

South of there I'm not sure how it goes and if there is sufficent capacity for the up to 8 x hr service?
  Flygon Train Controller

Location: Australia
We have to draw the line at urban expansion somewhere. Sunbury is far enough for Urban Sprawl I think. We need to be encouraging smarter development around our regional stations, not more of the same to what we've had for the past however long.
TOQ-1
I'm definitely not disagreeing with you.

I mean, for me, in an ideal world, the Bendigo line would be electrified, the entire network would be standard gauge, and we'd have the capacity to run tiered services by distance. Say, a Kyneton-Southern Cross stopper via Sunbury while the Bendigo-Southern Cross, running semi-express from Kyneton.

Of course, by this point, it's just foaming. Laughing

But, such things are done overseas. Would we have the capacity to do such things? If we invested in it, and stuck to a plan.

However. This is Victoria. Can't have any ambition, lest you be called a hopeless idyllic fantasist!

My point is, I believe there is scope in Victoria to run tiered services, to try and cut down on travel time. They do already exist in some peak scenarios, but offpeak, you have VLocity DMUs being flogged for stoppers through the GDR every run.
This isn't necessarily the best way to go about things, in terms of maintenance, fuel efficiency, and travel time.

However, I don't necessarily have the answers to these problems, if they even exist. I'm just presenting a theoretical scenario.

It does frustrate me that we seem incapable of ambitious infrastructure planning in this state, either way. Unless it involves some kind of a road. Rolling Eyes


Edit: Regarding my own personal thoughts on urban sprawl - The sooner we start making urban apartments that aren't smeg, the better!
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Yes, freight trains join the ARTC mainline at Keilor East

Ok I get you now.

The freight line gets converted to DG both tracks until at least past the airport junction which saves a new via duct and enables the SG and BG to be both on duplicated track and SG doesn't get a speed penalty.

The Airport line would then be dual SG track on a Via duct to the airport, then into a tunnel for the station and tunnel under the airport. The Airport station would be 3 platforms with a middle Dock Platform for airport terminators. The outer platforms through roads for Bendigo and freight.

The dual SG track would then continue under the airport and on the surface or in the tunnel head north with about 15km of near dead straight track east of Road C325 until past the north out skirts of Sunbury and then connect with the existing dual line which is then converted to SG and onto Benigo.

The existing BG line (~4.5km) from the above junction to Nth end of Sunbury yard would be removed and the through roads at Sunbury converted to storage roads.

South of the Freight junction I can see you could squeeze in a dual SG line south to Sunshine, but from there seems a bit of work to Tottenham.  

South of there I'm not sure how it goes and if there is sufficent capacity for the up to 8 x hr service?
RTT_Rules
Passenger trains would continue on UP from Keilor East via new standard gauge RRL to Sunshine, than the RRL from Sunshine to Southern Cross would be converted to standard gauge (gauge conversion of V/Line routes to Merrivale "Warrnambool" and Ararat would be also undertaken)

All wishful thinking !

Make sure the Bendigo mainline remains through Sunbury station for essential connectivity of this activity centre (Sunbury town/city/urban area having a very close connection with Tullamaine airport)
Many commuters traveling from down the Bendigo line to Sunbury for work, business, medical, education, etc.
  Flygon Train Controller

Location: Australia
To be clear, personally, I feel that if the Bendigo RRL was to be done via Airport, that it should go through Sunbury itself.

I just didn't want people claiming a conflict of interest just because I happen to live there. You guys can be quite a picky bunch. Razz
  62440 Chief Commissioner

Engineering wise, you put a triangle off the Jacana line with a balloon loop at the airport terminal, so no reversing, and elevate the whole thing along existing road reserves Airport Dr Ext, Melrose etc with platforms at departure level at the terminal. Do it SG only so you can have trains shuttling to the city or continuing to the country. That way you at least have a rail service, not only for passengers but also for the thousands that work there at the largest employment centre in Victoria with no public transport. It only needs political will, the engineering is straight forward.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Yes, freight trains join the ARTC mainline at Keilor East

Ok I get you now.

The freight line gets converted to DG both tracks until at least past the airport junction which saves a new via duct and enables the SG and BG to be both on duplicated track and SG doesn't get a speed penalty.

The Airport line would then be dual SG track on a Via duct to the airport, then into a tunnel for the station and tunnel under the airport. The Airport station would be 3 platforms with a middle Dock Platform for airport terminators. The outer platforms through roads for Bendigo and freight.

The dual SG track would then continue under the airport and on the surface or in the tunnel head north with about 15km of near dead straight track east of Road C325 until past the north out skirts of Sunbury and then connect with the existing dual line which is then converted to SG and onto Benigo.

The existing BG line (~4.5km) from the above junction to Nth end of Sunbury yard would be removed and the through roads at Sunbury converted to storage roads.

South of the Freight junction I can see you could squeeze in a dual SG line south to Sunshine, but from there seems a bit of work to Tottenham.  

South of there I'm not sure how it goes and if there is sufficent capacity for the up to 8 x hr service?
Passenger trains would continue on UP from Keilor East via new standard gauge RRL to Sunshine, than the RRL from Sunshine to Southern Cross would be converted to standard gauge (gauge conversion of V/Line routes to Merrivale "Warrnambool" and Ararat would be also undertaken)

All wishful thinking !

Make sure the Bendigo mainline remains through Sunbury station for essential connectivity of this activity centre (Sunbury town/city/urban area having a very close connection with Tullamaine airport)
Many commuters traveling from down the Bendigo line to Sunbury for work, business, medical, education, etc.
Nightfire
I was trying to save trip time and track complexity but ok Sunbury is it.

Not sure if the cross overs north of station on main are wired and looks like the wired trackage beyond is too short to use but these points could be pushed further north to keep simple and out of DG.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland

I was trying to save trip time and track complexity but ok Sunbury is it.

Not sure if the cross overs north of station on main are wired and looks like the wired trackage beyond is too short to use but these points could be pushed further north to keep simple and out of DG.
RTT_Rules
Wouldn't have any dual gauge through Sunbury at all.

Two new SG tracks would come Into Sunbury parallel with the existing line from near Diggers Rest, the existing Eastern platform at Sunbury would be redeveloped Into an Island platform for regional trains (track alignment to gently curve Into the Macedon Street stone overbridge.

The Western platform would become the suburban train platform, with an additional dead end platform added (running up to the square water tower) along with extending to accommodate the proposed 9 car trains
The opportunity would be there to move the Western platform across one track, therefore making use of the centre track and generating more platform area.

Station pedestrian access would have to be substantially upgraded, as the station forecourt would be changed.

Two suburban train stabling tracks would be lost (on the eastern side) though many Sunbury suburban trains could be stabled at the Calder Park facility.

Station Street / Gap Road would be lowered under the railway tracks.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Wouldn't have any dual gauge through Sunbury at all.

Two new SG tracks would come Into Sunbury parallel with the existing line from near Diggers Rest, the existing Eastern platform at Sunbury would be redeveloped Into an Island platform for regional trains (track alignment to gently curve Into the Macedon Street stone overbridge.

The Western platform would become the suburban train platform, with an additional dead end platform added (running up to the square water tower) along with extending to accommodate the proposed 9 car trains
The opportunity would be there to move the Western platform across one track, therefore making use of the centre track and generating more platform area.

Station pedestrian access would have to be substantially upgraded, as the station forecourt would be changed.

Two suburban train stabling tracks would be lost (on the eastern side) though many Sunbury suburban trains could be stabled at the Calder Park facility.

Station Street / Gap Road would be lowered under the railway tracks.
Nightfire

An up and over platform change, urgh. Adds 5-10min to gaps between trains as you have to allow people to use two lifts.

Plan B

Large island platform 200-250m long
- DG track either side
- 6 car dock BG platform in middle on southern side
- Shunt neck BG road between both SG main roads on north side as reserve if Dock is full.
- Storage yard for 5 sets built beyond the shunt neck and would continue under the bridge with mains either side
- South of LZ, the Dual SG tracks spilt into 2 pairs of SG and BG tracks

Benefits
- Limited DG to less than 600m of track in each direction on sections of track all trains slow and stop for, freights slow anyway.
- No DG points (DG on both roads), only separation or join of the different gauge.
- Cross or same platform change


As for sparking the Bengio line, even the Europeans would be unlikely to spark 150km of track for less than 40 passenger train movements a day. I'm currently in Central Europe using the trains.

Urban sprawl, people will buy what they can afford that meets their personal needs. high density housing +15km from CBD is not economically viable for the developer.

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