Coal by rail returns to Boyer

 
  BP4417 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Launceston, Tasmania
Has there been anymore news back in Tassie about the proposal to export coal through Bell Bay?
If it does comes to fruition, what were the tonnages mentioned & would Tasrail have the capacity noting it now has the Boyer coal traffic.
Cheers
Nope. That's done and dusted I am afraid, like Silica from Florentine, Magnesite from Takone, Venture Minerals, etc. etc.

Lots of failed opportunities that Tasrail was all over. Yet REAL traffic is available from Smithton (veneer, milk) and a major forest industries hub developing at Lings Siding on the N.E. Line that is likely to feature wood pellets, ethanol, etc. But, sorry, those lines are being sacrificed for rail trails!Evil or Very Mad
Hear, Hear Steve.
When the Bass Straight roll on roll off ferries were introduced the Former Tasmanian Government Railways were extremely innovative in producing methods to carrying all types of roll on roll off freight.
Unfortunately Tasrail lacks innovation and motivation which would allow them to compete with road transport on all rail lines.
We have a Liberal Party State President who is Road Transport owner operator. Is there a conflict of interest?
The state of our highways are atrocious, billions of dollars would not fix, now we have the Mayor of Dorset saying he wants millions spent on the Sidling to turn it into a major freight road, this is the bloke pushing for the North East Rail Trail. Torrified biomass would be of a greater economic benefit to the residents of the North East than ripping up the North East Rail Line.

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  RTT_Rules The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dubai UAE
Has there been anymore news back in Tassie about the proposal to export coal through Bell Bay?
If it does comes to fruition, what were the tonnages mentioned & would Tasrail have the capacity noting it now has the Boyer coal traffic.
Cheers
Nope. That's done and dusted I am afraid, like Silica from Florentine, Magnesite from Takone, Venture Minerals, etc. etc.

Lots of failed opportunities that Tasrail was all over. Yet REAL traffic is available from Smithton (veneer, milk) and a major forest industries hub developing at Lings Siding on the N.E. Line that is likely to feature wood pellets, ethanol, etc. But, sorry, those lines are being sacrificed for rail trails!Evil or Very Mad
12CSVT
Exporting Tasmania coal was only a potential during the mineral boom when the high prices made this lower grade coal attractive. Magnesite is a long story but basically blame the Chinese, although an underground Magnesite mine I suspect was always mmmm.

The NE Line is not competitive for much, especially anything to be exported and Ethanol sounds great but what sort of tonnages, when its a train a day, get back to us.

Yes, I'm also frustrated about the Far NW line, however after 20+ years of proposals and various studies I suspect there is a bloody good reason why it going no where quickly.

The days of Tonka trains a few days a week are over, you need near daily services with +500m of train.

The Rail Trails are going to deliver far more to Tasmania in their first year than these two lines have in the last 20 years. If viable freight task ever comes up, the ROW is still there and can be recovered for again use by rail. The cost to rebuild the line in the future will not be much different to the condition of the line today.
  lkernan Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne

The Rail Trails are going to deliver far more to Tasmania in their first year than these two lines have in the last 20 years. If viable freight task ever comes up, the ROW is still there and can be recovered for again use by rail. The cost to rebuild the line in the future will not be much different to the condition of the line today.
RTT_Rules

Has there ever been a rail trail returned to rail use?
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Grytviken

The Rail Trails are going to deliver far more to Tasmania in their first year than these two lines have in the last 20 years. If viable freight task ever comes up, the ROW is still there and can be recovered for again use by rail. The cost to rebuild the line in the future will not be much different to the condition of the line today.
Has there ever been a rail trail returned to rail use?
lkernan
I remember that about 20 years ago there was a former rail line in the English West Country (possibly Devon?) that had been converted to a bike track and the railway company wanted the route back as they wanted to reopen it for trains.

Well the push-bicyclists were prepared to be bought off with a new bike track on a similar route, but there was a rail bridge over a estuarine river next to a road bridge. The railway company proposed using the rail bridge for the reopened line and diverting the push bikes onto the road bridge for a couple of hundred metres. However the powerful bike lobby screamed so loudly about this single bridge, that the rail company backed down and the whole project was put on hold. I have no idea if they ever did rebuild that railway or the well connected and influential cyclist lobby scared them off for ever.
  RTT_Rules The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dubai UAE
The quesion should be "how many closed / services suspended railways in Australia for more than 20 years have been returned to operation?

While there is always a chance a rail trail may one day be wanted for use, the likely hood in many of the proposed railytail locations such as the NE line are so remote it's barely worth consideration. Additionally many of the closed lines have such poor alignment they would never be seriously considered for reuse without significant deviations

However the ROW should be protected for future rail use if needed and the learnings from the UK example need to be taken into account.

I waa told many years ago in Tas most of the closed lines are still protected for rail use should they be required and shown maps issued by the govt indicating as such.
  derwentparkjunc Chief Train Controller

Just checking with informed observers if the Boyer coal traffic is now well established & what are the loadings, frequency and train routine?

Cheers,
DPJ
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
Just checking with informed observers if the Boyer coal traffic is now well established & what are the loadings, frequency and train routine?

Cheers,
DPJ
derwentparkjunc
1] Yes; 2] 10 x 'HF's per train; 3] c. 3 - 4 trains per week (variable); 4] Coal comes in on 31 early morning, unloads, m/ts return to the Hub on the mid morning loco swap or on 32. Points 3 & 4 AFAIK from observations at work at N.S. Boyer. Tasrail list members may be able to correct the latter details.
  RTT_Rules The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dubai UAE
Anyone know how Boyer's newsprint sales are holding up?
  derwentparkjunc Chief Train Controller

Great, thanks 12CSVT.

Does train 34 still exist?

Cheers,
DPJ
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
Anyone know how Boyer's newsprint sales are holding up?
RTT_Rules
Better than originally expected. The precipitous plunge in newsprint consumption in Australia has finally started to bottom out, with most production going to Asia. At least, with the decline in the Australian Dollar, whilst we aren't making bugger all on the sales, at least we aren't losing money hand over fist on Asian sales like we were previously.

As a result, the imminent threat of No. 3 Paper machine (the newsprint one) being shut down has eased slightly and the new Operations Manager has plans to try and build a business case for keeping it running for a few more years - at least until alternative products like Cyrene can take its place.
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
Great, thanks 12CSVT.

Does train 34 still exist?

Cheers,
DPJ
derwentparkjunc
Yes. From what I last heard from one of my Tasrail contacts, (if I recall correctly) 32 is scheduled out at 1500hrs, 34 at 1700hrs and 36 at 1900hrs.
  RTT_Rules The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dubai UAE
Great, thanks 12CSVT.

Does train 34 still exist?

Cheers,
DPJ
Yes. From what I last heard from one of my Tasrail contacts, (if I recall correctly) 32 is scheduled out at 1500hrs, 34 at 1700hrs and 36 at 1900hrs.
12CSVT
Interesting thanks for sharing, what is the arrival times for the south bound trains?
  RTT_Rules The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dubai UAE
Anyone know how Boyer's newsprint sales are holding up?
Better than originally expected. The precipitous plunge in newsprint consumption in Australia has finally started to bottom out, with most production going to Asia. At least, with the decline in the Australian Dollar, whilst we aren't making bugger all on the sales, at least we aren't losing money hand over fist on Asian sales like we were previously.

As a result, the imminent threat of No. 3 Paper machine (the newsprint one) being shut down has eased slightly and the new Operations Manager has plans to try and build a business case for keeping it running for a few more years - at least until alternative products like Cyrene can take its place.
12CSVT
Thanks,
Being based in Dubai for 6 years I'm a bit disconnected with the hard print media but listening on 2GB podcast by Ross Greenwood recently following Dolly closure, he quickly rattled off a number of other Aust magazines that had closed this year and some of which took me by surprise along and locally in Dubai the local rag closed suddenly two weeks back. Hence I'm aware there is a rapid decline in some printed media at least and how far will this go?

I used to work for The Examiner to pay my way through Uni in printing area, back in mid 90's circulation was mid 30,000's during week increasing slightly later in week, 40-50k on Sat and Sun 60k if I recall correctly.
Typically the newspaper size was
Mon - Wed 32-40 pages
Thur - Fri 40-48 pages
Sat - 60 pages
Sun - 60 pages ???

We also had the three community newspapers which I think went out on Wed's.
  Southern Aurora Locomotive Fireman

Great, thanks 12CSVT.

Does train 34 still exist?

Cheers,
DPJ
Yes. From what I last heard from one of my Tasrail contacts, (if I recall correctly) 32 is scheduled out at 1500hrs, 34 at 1700hrs and 36 at 1900hrs.
12CSVT
For those of us not as informed what are the locations of the above departure times please?
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
Great, thanks 12CSVT.

Does train 34 still exist?

Cheers,
DPJ
Yes. From what I last heard from one of my Tasrail contacts, (if I recall correctly) 32 is scheduled out at 1500hrs, 34 at 1700hrs and 36 at 1900hrs.
Interesting thanks for sharing, what is the arrival times for the south bound trains?
RTT_Rules
Sorry, not sure about that.
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
Great, thanks 12CSVT.

Does train 34 still exist?

Cheers,
DPJ
Yes. From what I last heard from one of my Tasrail contacts, (if I recall correctly) 32 is scheduled out at 1500hrs, 34 at 1700hrs and 36 at 1900hrs.
For those of us not as informed what are the locations of the above departure times please?
Southern Aurora
Boyer; Brighton Hub; Brighton Hub (resp.)
  Southern Aurora Locomotive Fireman

Great, thanks 12CSVT.

Does train 34 still exist?

Cheers,
DPJ
Yes. From what I last heard from one of my Tasrail contacts, (if I recall correctly) 32 is scheduled out at 1500hrs, 34 at 1700hrs and 36 at 1900hrs.
For those of us not as informed what are the locations of the above departure times please?
Boyer; Brighton Hub; Brighton Hub (resp.)
12CSVT
Thanks 12CSVT much appreciated
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
All,

The updated coal delivery plan for Norske Skog, Boyer Mill has been advised.

The delivery plan for 2017 until further notice is as follows:

The deliveries going fwd for rest of year will be approx.

940 t coal by rail Tue – Fri (5 rail wagons a day)

800 t coal by Truck Mon – Sat.
  RTT_Rules The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dubai UAE
All,

The updated coal delivery plan for Norske Skog, Boyer Mill has been advised.

The delivery plan for 2017 until further notice is as follows:

The deliveries going fwd for rest of year will be approx.

940 t coal by rail Tue – Fri (5 rail wagons a day)

800 t coal by Truck Mon – Sat.
12CSVT
Why the use of truck?
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
All,

The updated coal delivery plan for Norske Skog, Boyer Mill has been advised.

The delivery plan for 2017 until further notice is as follows:

The deliveries going fwd for rest of year will be approx.

940 t coal by rail Tue – Fri (5 rail wagons a day)

800 t coal by Truck Mon – Sat.
Why the use of truck?
RTT_Rules
Because Kimbolton is still going and backloading that.
  RTT_Rules The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dubai UAE
All,

The updated coal delivery plan for Norske Skog, Boyer Mill has been advised.

The delivery plan for 2017 until further notice is as follows:

The deliveries going fwd for rest of year will be approx.

940 t coal by rail Tue – Fri (5 rail wagons a day)

800 t coal by Truck Mon – Sat.
Why the use of truck?
Because Kimbolton is still going and backloading that.
12CSVT
Thanks, will this finish?
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
All,

The updated coal delivery plan for Norske Skog, Boyer Mill has been advised.

The delivery plan for 2017 until further notice is as follows:

The deliveries going fwd for rest of year will be approx.

940 t coal by rail Tue – Fri (5 rail wagons a day)

800 t coal by Truck Mon – Sat.
Why the use of truck?
Because Kimbolton is still going and backloading that.
Thanks, will this finish?
RTT_Rules
Latest estimate is three years. But they have been saying that for the last six!!

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