Grain Season

 
  Exqr Locomotive Driver

Location: Gympie Q.
Does anyone have any info as to dates for the grain season around Dalby, Cecil Plains, Jandowae area, please?

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  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
The winter crop should be all harvested by now. Haven't seen any grain trains through Dalby.
  5915 Chief Commissioner

Not a lot of rail movements at this point.  A lot of truck movements ex silo at Brookstead.  A lot of containerised grain on road.  Trains will move when there are ships (bulk) to load for export.  i think a lot of grain (not chickpeas) will be consumed domestically in the short term.  This is not a haulage task for rail. Look for shipping schedules to anticipate rail movements.

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  Exqr Locomotive Driver

Location: Gympie Q.
Not a lot of rail movements at this point.  A lot of truck movements ex silo at Brookstead.  A lot of containerised grain on road.  Trains will move when there are ships (bulk) to load for export.  i think a lot of grain (not chickpeas) will be consumed domestically in the short term.  This is not a haulage task for rail. Look for shipping schedules to anticipate rail movements.

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k. Thanks guys. Happy New Year. Regards.
  Toddy Junior Train Controller

I just passed a grain train heading west between Miles and Columboola to load. I didn't see loco numbers sorry, just the wagons passing slowly through the trees.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
I just passed a grain train heading west between Miles and Columboola to load. I didn't see loco numbers sorry, just the wagons passing slowly through the trees.
Toddy
Are you sure it wasn't a Cameby Downs coalie?
  Toddy Junior Train Controller

It was definitely a grain train as it was between Miles and the Warrego Highway level crossing near the Cameby Downs mine. The wagons also definitely had the fibreglass lids on them.

I'm in Queensland on holidays from NSW and followed the line all the way from Charleville and it surprised me to actually see a train on the line, especially with the temperature in the middle of the day yesterday. Maybe they are just taking the wagons to storage in Miles or Roma?
  Toddy Junior Train Controller

Coincidentally I was at Spring Bluff Station this morning and a grain train passed through at 11am with 2362/2338 and 38 VGHM/VGKM wagons so grain is definitely moving.
  Exqr Locomotive Driver

Location: Gympie Q.
Does anyone have any idea on the frequency of these graineys, please? Are more than one set of wagons being used?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

There's three sets allocated to the South West and one set to Mackay I believe, but they tend to be shuffled between Toowoomba and Mackay depending on seasonal demand.
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  Exqr Locomotive Driver

Location: Gympie Q.
Thanks Sulla.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Grain trains loaded at Dalby West yesterday morning and this morning. The usual timing of such trains is to arrive 6:30 - 7:00 am and depart around midday. Today's train locos were 2371 and 2363 both of which have seen better days. Today's train was also an hour or so later than the normal pattern.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Today's train locos were 2371 and 2363 both of which have seen better days.
Graham4405

Is there anything that Aurizon (or others for that matter) could replace the grain locos with or would they need to buy something in from elsewhere?
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Today's train locos were 2371 and 2363 both of which have seen better days.

Is there anything that Aurizon (or others for that matter) could replace the grain locos with or would they need to buy something in from elsewhere?
james.au
There is nothing left that can run on the western system other than the existing 90 tonners (and 1720s of course). Some of us are hoping that some of the upgrades that have happened, are happening, and are planned will allow heavier locos (4000/4100 classes and similar). Unless Aurizon/other operators have plans to introduce new 90 tonners, which is doubtful.
  1771D Junior Train Controller

Both QR and Aurizon have sold off too many locos in recent years it would seem.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Both QR and Aurizon have sold off too many locos in recent years it would seem.
1771D
It is not economical to keep life expired locos running. I'd say they haven't sold off enough locos. They haven't purchased enough new locos either!
  1771D Junior Train Controller

Life expired my asre!  Other railways are still utilising GM's, X's etc.  if properly maintained they'll keep going forever.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Life expired my asre!  Other railways are still utilising GM's, X's etc.  if properly maintained they'll keep going forever.
1771D
Poor wording on my part. What I was trying to say is that the older locos are not economical to maintain and run, newer locos are much more economical (and powerful).
  Trainplanner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
The have on the market the DBZ's from WA that could release ex QR units in WA to go back east.
  GS4 Junior Train Controller

The 23's might need a coat of paint.  Did they seem unable to cope with the train ? , e.g. belching smoke ???

It is mainly a downhill journey with the loaded train.

Can 2800's be used on the line to Dalby ??  I can't remember seeing any. Aurizon may be waiting for the new line over the range to be built.  It only took a short wait for other lines near Brisbane to be built (Kippa-Ring) , , , , heavens , what could possibly go wrong ?  Smile
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Aurizon is planning to use 4000/4100s through to Toowoomba and beyond at some point in the future. The 2300s are slated for full withdrawal by 2026 (only nine years away), but for that to happen all clearance and axle load restrictions will have to have been delt with on the Toowoomba Range  (one way or another) and the next generation of coal locos will also have to be in place to free up the 4000/4100s for regional freight duties currently handled by the 2300s.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

2800s cannot travel west of Redbank and have even more severe clerance restrictions than the 4000/4100s, so may never travel to Toowoomba or beyond.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
The 23's might need a coat of paint.  Did they seem unable to cope with the train ? , e.g. belching smoke ???
GS4
Those particular 2300s definitely needed paint. The train was loading when I saw it so I can't comment on the performance of the locos. They are old...
  neillfarmer Beginner

I guess I've seen just about every 23 that's running over the last year or so. They are all in pretty good mechanical condition, I don't think I've seen a smokey one yet and failures are rare. Some of them need a paint but many are in good external condition.

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