Dual gague lineto Bromelton

 
Topic moved from New South Wales by dthead on 01 Feb 2017 14:36
  walfactor Station Staff

Now that STC have opened Bromelton Comlex, and statws thwy hope to run shuttles to Fishermans Island, any word when Dual Gages track will be secured, Points install at greenbank, and dual gague extended. What a waist for QR to pick up Qld nth coast traffic
Walfactor

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  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Now that STC have opened Bromelton Comlex, and statws thwy hope to run shuttles to Fishermans Island, any word when Dual Gages track will be secured, Points install at greenbank, and dual gague extended. What a waist for QR to pick up Qld nth coast traffic
Walfactor
walfactor

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  simstrain Chief Commissioner

From what I can understand of what you wrote, this is about SCT's Bromelton facility and so maybe this should be in the operators forum.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Now that STC have opened Bromelton Comlex, and statws thwy hope to run shuttles to Fishermans Island, any word when Dual Gages track will be secured, Points install at greenbank, and dual gague extended. What a waist for QR to pick up Qld nth coast traffic
Walfactor
walfactor
Hi Wal, I see this is your first post Smile

Try this other SCT Bromelton Railpage thread as we are discussing similar SCT Bromelton topics there. A quick read through all the posts in that thread might also give some extra SCT Bromelton material for you.
https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11385470.htm
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

What do or does "statws thwy" mean?
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

It is all right, I have used an enigma machine to break the code, here it is:

Comlex         - Complex

statws           - states

gages           - gauges

gague           - gauge

waist             - waste






that clears up the spelling, unfortunately I cannot help with the comprehension.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

There are alot of problems before you will see operation of the extra rail to bromelton.  First off is you need two more loops/duplication between bromelton and acacia ridge. secondly you need to decide upon which signalling system bromelton-acacia ridge will use.   NSW or QLD.   And whatever is chosen comes with its own issues.  
If you want to get standard gauge to the port you need a standard/dual gauge loop on the current freight line around murrarie.  
The POB has limited facilities for standard gauge trains.  This includes a severe limitation in length along with limited roads for use.   POB does most of its container traffic through trucks, not trains.

The AK cars are the only standard gauge trains to use the track out to the POB.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Makes you wonder what the point of the inland rail is if there is so little SG in QLD.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

Makes you wonder what the point of the inland rail is if there is so little SG in QLD.
simstrain
Hey, the Gold Coast light rail is standard gauge.
  neillfarmer Chief Train Controller

There are alot of problems before you will see operation of the extra rail to bromelton.  First off is you need two more loops/duplication between bromelton and acacia ridge. secondly you need to decide upon which signalling system bromelton-acacia ridge will use.   NSW or QLD.   And whatever is chosen comes with its own issues.  
If you want to get standard gauge to the port you need a standard/dual gauge loop on the current freight line around murrarie.  
The POB has limited facilities for standard gauge trains.  This includes a severe limitation in length along with limited roads for use.   POB does most of its container traffic through trucks, not trains.

The AK cars are the only standard gauge trains to use the track out to the POB.
tazzer96
A fair while back there were up to 6 SG trains a day out to and from the Port (2xNR intermodal, 2x NR quarry, 2xNRR/QR intermodal.  Didn't need any extra loops for these.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

There are alot of problems before you will see operation of the extra rail to bromelton.  First off is you need two more loops/duplication between bromelton and acacia ridge. secondly you need to decide upon which signalling system bromelton-acacia ridge will use.   NSW or QLD.   And whatever is chosen comes with its own issues.  
If you want to get standard gauge to the port you need a standard/dual gauge loop on the current freight line around murrarie.  
The POB has limited facilities for standard gauge trains.  This includes a severe limitation in length along with limited roads for use.   POB does most of its container traffic through trucks, not trains.

The AK cars are the only standard gauge trains to use the track out to the POB.
A fair while back there were up to 6 SG trains a day out to and from the Port (2xNR intermodal, 2x NR quarry, 2xNRR/QR intermodal.  Didn't need any extra loops for these.
neillfarmer
that was back before the big coal boom and before we decided that frequent off-peak services is a must.   Even now you generally only get coal trains using the freight line towards the port.  Outbound generally use the suburban tracks.  They flat out refuse to use the NG loop that is already there.   And now since most SG trains are are least 1200m, splitting them is rather annoying and avoided.   The current standard gauge loop is too short for a 1500m train to be split in two.  

A proper 1500-1800m dual gauge loop where the NG loop is around murarrie and a few extra roads at the port for shunting would solve most of the problems.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Anyone have any info on how much SCT brings down on the Queensland NCL (if any)?  If they do, do they have a hook/carriage agreement with Aurizon/PN for that area?  Or is it roaded?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Makes you wonder what the point of the inland rail is if there is so little SG in QLD.
Hey, the Gold Coast light rail is standard gauge.
tazzer96

The light rail doesn't have freight train services running does it and it is only 13km's.
  MetroFemme Assistant Commissioner

Why have the Pob freight trains stopped?
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
FYI, diagrams starting a Bromelton link here: http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/ARTC/AR352.pdf
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
There are alot of problems before you will see operation of the extra rail to bromelton.  First off is you need two more loops/duplication between bromelton and acacia ridge. secondly you need to decide upon which signalling system bromelton-acacia ridge will use.   NSW or QLD.   And whatever is chosen comes with its own issues.  
If you want to get standard gauge to the port you need a standard/dual gauge loop on the current freight line around murrarie.  
The POB has limited facilities for standard gauge trains.  This includes a severe limitation in length along with limited roads for use.   POB does most of its container traffic through trucks, not trains.

The AK cars are the only standard gauge trains to use the track out to the POB.
tazzer96
Passing loops or full duplication to Bromelton??? I don't get this?

There are what 12 train movements a day for 50km of track with a loop at Greenbank at about 1/3 mark which is now 1500m long and this new loading facility will maybe generate 1-2 return trains a day upon opening (if they do that well).

Brisbane has a 2 x parrellel +900m long container siding for SG and I doubt they would be running 1500m shuttles (they don't in Sydney), more likely shorter lengths that would fit into the POB loops.

Going from Bromo to POB there are long SG loops at Greenbank, AR and ???? name escapes me north of Yerongpilly and on arrival at Brisbane. I highly doubt more are required to run 1 to 2 SG trains a day to POB?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Makes you wonder what the point of the inland rail is if there is so little SG in QLD.
simstrain
Most traffic isn't bound for the POB although a small increase from SE Qld is likely. Additionally no point spending money on something under uterlised now until the Inland actually gets built.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Why have the Pob freight trains stopped?
MetroFemme
That was in the mining boom, but there maybe other reasons.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Why have the Pob freight trains stopped?
MetroFemme
Does the Toowoomba tunnel clearance and its restrictions on using 9'6" containers have anything to do with it?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Why have the Pob freight trains stopped?
Does the Toowoomba tunnel clearance and its restrictions on using 9'6" containers have anything to do with it?
james.au
There used to be NG containers from Toowoomba, but lower height. I believe they will restart when the upgrade to tunnel is complete. However this has no bearing on SG container services which were from NSW/Vic.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Why have the Pob freight trains stopped?
Does the Toowoomba tunnel clearance and its restrictions on using 9'6" containers have anything to do with it?
There used to be NG containers from Toowoomba, but lower height. I believe they will restart when the upgrade to tunnel is complete. However this has no bearing on SG container services which were from NSW/Vic.
RTT_Rules
Agreed - i didnt think the question was gauge specific though.
  walfactor Station Staff

It is all right, I have used an enigma machine to break the code, here it is:

Comlex         - Complex

statws           - states

gages           - gauges

gague           - gauge

waist             - waste






that clears up the spelling, unfortunately I cannot help with the comprehension.

... Thank you for the corrections, next post will be comprehension and correct grammar, after that new keyboard, I had a quite chuckle when i read it.   Please send coding account to Adolf in germany.. Bye
theanimal
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

It is all right, I have used an enigma machine to break the code, here it is:

Comlex         - Complex

statws           - states

gages           - gauges

gague           - gauge

waist             - waste






that clears up the spelling, unfortunately I cannot help with the comprehension.

... Thank you for the corrections, next post will be comprehension and correct grammar, after that new keyboard, I had a quite chuckle when i read it.   Please send coding account to Adolf in germany.. Bye
walfactor
that would be quiet chuckle I believe ?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Seems like a place to ask this - has there ever been any consideration of building a freight link around through Murarie-Pinkenbah-Eagle Farm that would give better access to the port from the NCL(Q) and also perhaps facilitate North/South traffic (i.e. a gauge transfer at Acacia Ridge Bromelton)?  It looks like there could be a few options for a connection there that wouldnt requrie significant land resumption.  Cost wouldnt be cheap of course, but interested to know if its been considered, and, more importantly, if it would be needed/used.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Seems like a place to ask this - has there ever been any consideration of building a freight link around through Murarie-Pinkenbah-Eagle Farm that would give better access to the port from the NCL(Q) and also perhaps facilitate North/South traffic (i.e. a gauge transfer at Acacia Ridge Bromelton)?  It looks like there could be a few options for a connection there that wouldnt requrie significant land resumption.  Cost wouldnt be cheap of course, but interested to know if its been considered, and, more importantly, if it would be needed/used.
james.au
I doubt enough traffic to justify a direct route. The trains have already gone +1000km so to go via the existing corridor is not a big deal.

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