Sydney Trains: trainee drivers wanted!

 
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Its that time again. Trainee drivers are wanted by Sydney Trains.

http://iworkfor.nsw.gov.au/job/trainee-train-driver-62578



There is a significant turnover of drivers as it is an older workforce coupled with the inevitable realisation that railway shiftwork is not like anything you have likely done before.

There is an extensive thread in this forum regarding Cityrail trainees, I would imagine not much has changed.

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  Ethan1395 Junior Train Controller

Location: An OSCar H Set
Its that time again. Trainee drivers are wanted by Sydney Trains.

http://iworkfor.nsw.gov.au/job/trainee-train-driver-62578



There is a significant turnover of drivers as it is an older workforce coupled with the inevitable realisation that railway shiftwork is not like anything you have likely done before.

There is an extensive thread in this forum regarding Cityrail trainees, I would imagine not much has changed.
seb2351

I heard about this from a train driver, and I am considering applying.

They have requested "In one page, tell us why this role is for you. This is your opportunity to tell us about yourself, how you can contribute to ‘Keep Sydney Moving’ and how your achievements are aligned to Sydney Trains values.",
what would be the best thing for me to put in this?
I am considering things alone the lines of 'my commitment to on-time work will not hinder my commitment to safety', but obviously I will need a LOT more than that.

I can't send through an application until at least Wednesday night (March 1) as that is the earliest I will be able to get a reference from my TAFE teacher (I am studying Building design, unrelated to rail obviously, but I should still be able to get a character reference).

The website says "Please note that an eligibility list may be created for this position, and position(s) of the same classification that subsequently become vacant may be filled using this eligibility list (where the vacancy is within 60 minutes travelling time)." so I hope my location in Lake Macquarie isn't an issue.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
There was a segment on TV last night about some female spark driver in NSW.
Amongst the usual drivel she announced that she only got thee job by mistake as she was supposed to be going for a nursing position but 'went to the wrong address'.
But hard to tell where she will/would create the most damage - as a nurse or a driver!
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

Hello  YM-Mundrabilla,

Well look on the bright side , if she takes a wrong turn on the train everyone gets a free Cook's Tour.

One wonders at times what sort of detailed planning goes into driver recruitment. Surely the railway should be aware of turn over and potential retirements and therefore have an ongoing employment strategy in place to accomodate this.

On going shift work can be more debilitating for some people than others, even though potential recruits are advised of this , it is the actual experience of shift work and how they adapt to it that will ultimately decide if they stick at it.

Drivers have told me of drivers they knew who worked in the Pilbara that whilst the work was interesting most found it to be far more difficult over time than they envisaged. This may explain why the Pilbara railways have difficulty in recruiting and holding onto train drivers, despite the good pay and conditions.

Regards, Radioman
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Hello  YM-Mundrabilla,

Well look on the bright side , if she takes a wrong turn on the train everyone gets a free Cook's Tour.

One wonders at times what sort of detailed planning goes into driver recruitment. Surely the railway should be aware of turn over and potential retirements and therefore have an ongoing employment strategy in place to accomodate this.

On going shift work can be more debilitating for some people than others, even though potential recruits are advised of this , it is the actual experience of shift work and how they adapt to it that will ultimately decide if they stick at it.

Drivers have told me of drivers they knew who worked in the Pilbara that whilst the work was interesting most found it to be far more difficult over time than they envisaged. This may explain why the Pilbara railways have difficulty in recruiting and holding onto train drivers, despite the good pay and conditions.

Regards, Radioman
Radioman
Thanks Radioman.
One wonders about a lot of things these days. Most, if not everything, comes down to money and/or kpi s these days which, of course, results in money for someone, not necessarily oneself. This seems to be the key to life these days - if I issue biros and I can screw you out of a biro I get a brownie kpi tick. If you cannot sign a million dollar contract because you needed the biro you get the flick while the biro issuer gets a bonus. Until.........(QR).......of course.
Shift work never worried me as I liked a bit of time off during the day/week or at other odd hours but I was always of two minds with 0200 starts as never quite sure whether to go to bed until about midnight or stay up..........
Only spent about 6 months in the Pilbara on and off doing different things but loved every minute of it.Smile

Regards
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Applied. We'll see how we go! Have heard the job related testing (like the Abstract Reasoning test) is seriously difficult!

S'man
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
No morw difficult than any other you come across. The bigger difficulty is the variable grade average.

If your intake all score well, the required pass point is higher.

It isnt easy when applicants number in the high 1000's.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
An ex Railway man (redundant signalman) twice applied for a 'Customer service vacancy' which was basically as a 'Station Assistant' in the old words and both times, one of the 30 odd questions asked (which you have a limited time to answer was) 'How do you build an Engine?'........

His Father had been an ASM (Assistant Station Master) and he a Grade 3 Signalman /Area Controller who worked at Orange, Parkes and Broken Hill and didnt want to be made redundant but he was despite having 25 years service in.

Good luck with your application.
  Ethan1395 Junior Train Controller

Location: An OSCar H Set
UPDATE:

I've tweaked the positioning of parts of my letter and added more information:

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To Whom It May Concern



I have written this in regards to the Trainee Train Driver position with Sydney Trains. Please review my enclosed resume for consideration.

My interest in trains and railway operation makes me feel that a career as a train driver is the perfect career for me to follow.

I am a calm and patient person, and will remain so under pressure and work well in stressful situations, I understand that I am going to be responsible for not only the operation of the train, but for checking the train before the journey, opening the correct number at doors at the varying lengths of platforms, and for the safety and wellbeing of those onboard and near the railway lines at platforms and level crossings, and wherever else people may be near the line – whether they are meant to be there or not.

I am an enthusiastic hard worker who strives to get work done efficiently and on time, but I do not allow my strive for on time completion of tasks to hinder my commitment to safety, safety is my top priority.

I am a communicative person who enjoys effectively done work and sustainable solutions, and I am open to new ideas and like to share my own ideas with others, to ensure that all works is done on time, effectively, and most important, safety. I also believe that all communication must be honest, clear, and open.

I not only have the appropriate customer service skills, but enjoy utilizing them, I strongly believe that the customer should be the main focus of any job, and all that is reasonably practicable and safe be done to achieve the needs of the customer.

I am able to work both individually, and part of a team, I do not only intend on taking pride in my role, but also being accountable for every single action I make, and will teach and expect others to do the same if need be, and will continue to strive for excellence, both individually, and helping others to do the same.

Although my location in Lake Macquarie is a considerable distance from Sydney, I am not only able to, but enjoy commuting longer distances, and I intend on moving closer to Sydney to work for Sydney Trains and I am prepared to work a shifts anytime I am required to do so, regardless of time of day, or particular day of the week.



Thank you for taking the time to read my letter and please also review my résumé.

Sincerely Ethan [LAST NAME]

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Has anyone got any advice on what should I add, remove and change?
Thank you in advance.

  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
Looks ok, you've made a pretty good start although that first paragraph needs reworking.

I would run with something along the lines of:

My previous work experience and thorough commitment to safety and high level customer service makes me an ideal candidate for the position of trainee driver with Sydney Trains.

If you can, stream line the next four paragraphs into two paragraphs, while still hitting the key points of being an excellent team player who can work solo, shows initiative, is committed and calm under pressure. Make sure you're hitting the key words listed in the job advertisement - I havent seen the advertisement but you probably are.

Your sentence structure is a little off for me. You're using too many commas and trying to put too much information into each sentence. Bit hard to go into without turning this into an English lesson, and I haven't the time or inclination for that - gonna go play Battlefield 1 in a sec!

The cover letter needs to get straight to the point - why you're applying, why your CV is worth glancing through and then why you're worth a call back. It needs to be easy to read and comprehend, and free of grammatical and spelling errors (and there's quite a few in your draft so far). You need to impress the person reading it in about three seconds.

If you can get a name of the hiring person then do so, go as far as calling Sydney Trains up and asking who to address the letter to. You'll win serious brownie points because I bet most of the other several thousand applicants wont have done that.  

Probably wouldn't include that line about being based in Lake Macquarie, you can discuss that in the interview.

The last line is good though a little hopeful. Back yourself. I'd reword it slightly:

Thank you for considering my application, please find my resume attached and I look forward to hearing from you soon




Yours faithfully,

Ethan


That's probably enough to get on with for now Smile.
  Ethan1395 Junior Train Controller

Location: An OSCar H Set
Looks ok, you've made a pretty good start although that first paragraph needs reworking.

I would run with something along the lines of:

My previous work experience and thorough commitment to safety and high level customer service makes me an ideal candidate for the position of trainee driver with Sydney Trains.

If you can, stream line the next four paragraphs into two paragraphs, while still hitting the key points of being an excellent team player who can work solo, shows initiative, is committed and calm under pressure. Make sure you're hitting the key words listed in the job advertisement - I havent seen the advertisement but you probably are.

Your sentence structure is a little off for me. You're using too many commas and trying to put too much information into each sentence. Bit hard to go into without turning this into an English lesson, and I haven't the time or inclination for that - gonna go play Battlefield 1 in a sec!

The cover letter needs to get straight to the point - why you're applying, why your CV is worth glancing through and then why you're worth a call back. It needs to be easy to read and comprehend, and free of grammatical and spelling errors (and there's quite a few in your draft so far). You need to impress the person reading it in about three seconds.

If you can get a name of the hiring person then do so, go as far as calling Sydney Trains up and asking who to address the letter to. You'll win serious brownie points because I bet most of the other several thousand applicants wont have done that.  

Probably wouldn't include that line about being based in Lake Macquarie, you can discuss that in the interview.

The last line is good though a little hopeful. Back yourself. I'd reword it slightly:

Thank you for considering my application, please find my resume attached and I look forward to hearing from you soon




Yours faithfully,

Ethan


That's probably enough to get on with for now Smile.
Typhon

Thanks for your advice, here are my changes:

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To Whom It May Concern

My previous work experience and thorough commitment to safety and high level customer service, along with my interest in trains and railway operation makes me an ideal candidate for the position of trainee driver with Sydney Trains.
As a calm and patient person, who is able to remain calm under pressure and work well in stressful situations, I am aware of what working as a train driver will consist of, I know that I will be responsible for checking the train prior to departure, operate the train and the safe legal speed limit ensuring the safety of passengers and those on platforms and near level crossing, as well as having the correct understanding of railway signals. I am an enthusiastic hard worker who strives to get work done efficiently and on time, but I do not allow my strive for on time completion of tasks to hinder my commitment to safety, safety is my top priority.
Since I am a communicative person who enjoys effectively done work and sustainable solutions, and I am open to new ideas and like to share my own ideas with others, to ensure that all works is done on time, effectively, and most important, safety, I also believe that all communication must be honest, clear, and open. I understand that I will be regularly communicating with the train guard and other train drivers, and reporting any relevant information. I not only have the appropriate customer service skills, but enjoy utilizing them, I strongly believe that the customer should be the main focus of any job, and all that is reasonably practicable and safe be done to achieve the needs of the customer and am aware that I will be responsible for answering the questions of customers when seen wearing my uniform in public.
I have had experience working both individually, and part of a team, and enjoy doing both, I do not only intend on taking pride in my role, but also being accountable for every single action I make, and will teach and expect others to do the same if need be, and will continue to strive for excellence, both individually, and helping others to do the same. I desire to be a leader in my role, not only working efficiently, but helping others when they are struggling with certain aspects of their work.

Thank you for considering my application, please find my resume attached and I look forward to hearing from you soon.


Yours faithfully,
Ethan [LAST NAME]

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I am doubtful of my last line, I fear it sounds too prideful and I am leaning towards removing it.

I will ring Sydney Trains and replace the 'To Whom It May Concern' with 'Dear [NAME]' if possible.

Also, should I add something alone the lines of 'I understand I will be required to be acquainted with the variety of rolling stock on the Sydney Trains network'


I am also redoing my resume for this application, between my contact information and previous work experienace, I have a simple profile worded like this:

'As a friendly and socially confident individual, I am able to work both as part of a team and independently, and adapt and learn new skills. Since I am an honest and trustworthy person, I am a reliable person with a strong worth ethic, and I'm a motivated and enthusiastic person who is a responsible individual.
I have the ability to perform physically demanding roles, and work in a fast paced environment, and most importantly, I have a commitment to health and safety.'

How does that sound? should I convert it back to bullet points?

Lastly, I am considering adding an interests section to my resume which includes:
-Going to the gym

-Doing creative activities
-Solving problems
-Relaxing by enjoying the scenery from a train

Thank you in advance for any help.
God Bless
  Speedbird Train Controller

Word of advice- I'd probably completely change your cover letter now. Usually HR watch these forums and now when you apply it won't be hard to identify you from this forum because you will send through that exact cover letter. Now HR will be able to see how much help you got with your cover letter and how it was previously with the spelling mistakes and grammar.

Word of advice, you want to be get into the railways, it's a small industry. Don't post anything online that could reveal your identity.

Rewrite your cover letter, you make good points. Emphasis safety and following rules and procedures as that's what they want to see.

Good luck mate !
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
I like that last line, leave it in. Instead of using so many commas though, split it into another sentence.

Adding an interests section to your resume is a good idea. Drop that last interest though.

The application page lists the criteria you need to address in your cover letter. Safety, pride, accountability, collaboration and excellence.

Address those points in separate paragraphs and try to include references to your previous work or life experiences to back each claim up. Dont go into great detail, just something along the lines of in my role as a [whatever it is you do] I regularly demonstrate [the ability to] . Mix it up though.
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.

'As a friendly and socially confident individual, I am able to work both as part of a team and independently, and adapt and learn new skills. 'As a friendly and socially confident individual, I am able to work both as part of a team and independently, and adapt and learn new skills. Since I am an honest and trustworthy person, I am a reliable person with a strong worth ethic, and I'm a motivated and enthusiastic person who is a responsible individual.
I have the ability to perform physically demanding roles, and work in a fast paced environment, and most importantly, I have a commitment to health and safety.'
I have the ability to perform physically demanding roles, and work in a fast paced environment, and most importantly, I have a commitment to health and safety.'

How does that sound? should I convert it back to bullet points?
Ethan1395

If your commitment to health and safety is so important why have you addressed it last in that paragraph? Razz

Since I am an honest and trustworthy person, I am a reliable person with a strong worth ethic, and I'm a motivated and enthusiastic person who is a responsible individual.

That's...clumsy. Being honest and trustworthy is not mutually exclusive to being reliable with a strong work ethic. I know plenty of guys in the industry who are good, reliable workers but honest and trustworthy? Not a bit of it. Also, structurally for one sentence that's a lot of information to contain.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Hi All

Received an email to complete some online concentration test (SCAAT) doesn't look difficult but I can imagine after a while all the questions will start to look the same and turn your brain to mush Shocked

Will give it a go first thing on Sunday then fingers crossed!

S'man
  Ethan1395 Junior Train Controller

Location: An OSCar H Set
Hi All

Received an email to complete some online concentration test (SCAAT) doesn't look difficult but I can imagine after a while all the questions will start to look the same and turn your brain to mush Shocked

Will give it a go first thing on Sunday then fingers crossed!

S'man
Spiritman

Practice using this:

http://group-bourdon-tool.software.informer.com/2.0/

Best of luck, God Bless
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Hi All

Received an email to complete some online concentration test (SCAAT) doesn't look difficult but I can imagine after a while all the questions will start to look the same and turn your brain to mush Shocked

Will give it a go first thing on Sunday then fingers crossed!

S'man

Practice using this:

http://group-bourdon-tool.software.informer.com/2.0/

Best of luck, God Bless
Ethan1395
Hey

Thanks for that link, practice paid off it seems, I've been invited to another testing session.

S'man
  Ethan1395 Junior Train Controller

Location: An OSCar H Set
Hi All

Received an email to complete some online concentration test (SCAAT) doesn't look difficult but I can imagine after a while all the questions will start to look the same and turn your brain to mush Shocked

Will give it a go first thing on Sunday then fingers crossed!

S'man

Practice using this:

http://group-bourdon-tool.software.informer.com/2.0/

Best of luck, God Bless
Hey

Thanks for that link, practice paid off it seems, I've been invited to another testing session.

S'man
Spiritman
Your Welcome, happy to help, might see you there (if you chose the 1st April option), keep practising

God Bless
  meph86 Beginner

I am also booked in 1st April. Have you done testing before and do you know what to expect?
Thanks
  Ethan1395 Junior Train Controller

Location: An OSCar H Set
I am also booked in 1st April. Have you done testing before and do you know what to expect?
Thanks
meph86

I think (don't quote me) that the supervised testing will involve a more in-depth version of the reading comprehension test we did online, and the full Safe Concentration and Attention Test (SCAAT), as opposed to the mini one we did online, the full one uses shapes, rather than the letters used in the mini one.

Download this and select the SCAAT option to practice:
http://group-bourdon-tool.software.informer.com/2.0/

And read more on the SCAAT test here:
https://www.jobtestprep.co.uk/scaat-test

I am unsure if we will be doing our test on paper or on a computer - if I had to guess, I would say computer - but a guess is exactly that - a guess.

When practising, aim for accuracy and speed, don't compromise one for the other, and not looking at the timer has also benefited me.


Best of luck and see you there.
God Bless
  meph86 Beginner

Much Appreciated Ethan. Has been over 6 months since i did testing so need to do more home work. Best of luck and see you sat.
  Kaz Beginner

Looking at the thread in Whirlpool (https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2540484&p=41), it looks like it's being done on paper.
  Ethan1395 Junior Train Controller

Location: An OSCar H Set
Much Appreciated Ethan. Has been over 6 months since i did testing so need to do more home work. Best of luck and see you sat.
meph86

It's my first time but I thought that information might help - what was your experience like last time?


Looking at the thread in Whirlpool, it looks like it's being done on paper.
Kaz


Your link doesn't work but thanks for the information - I guessed computer because it's more difficult to tell what order it was done in with paper, and I read online that most of the time, it's done on computer.



God Bless you all, and best of luck.
  meph86 Beginner

Sorry Ethan have only completed online testing in the past so im not much help.
  Ethan1395 Junior Train Controller

Location: An OSCar H Set
Sorry Ethan have only completed online testing in the past so im not much help.
meph86

No need to apologise, all is good.

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