New locos at UGL

 
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Looks like an Aurizon cow catcher but they don't use light bogies.
Junction box
What do the 6000/6020's have then? As commented above, it could likely be the former CF4401 and CF4409 being repainted for their Ardglen banking duties

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  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
I should of said fabricated bogies. I was trying to give the impression it's a 6000 or equivalent model without saying it's any class in particular. The painting standard looks like a new one, not a repaint, but the air conditioner looks a little weathered, so repaint is likely. 2 of the CFs were there a few weeks ago, but went back out into service.
However, just for interest, after the 3 latest 93s were done, I believe there is still one older build C44 still unaccounted for at UGL. Plus, late last year, there was a brand new pair of fabricated bogie frames out the front at UGL, while the 3 new/old 93s were underway. They were devoid of all plumbing and fittings and the axle box guides were nice and new.
  M636C Minister for Railways

I should of said fabricated bogies. I was trying to give the impression it's a 6000 or equivalent model without saying it's any class in particular. The painting standard looks like a new one, not a repaint, but the air conditioner looks a little weathered, so repaint is likely. 2 of the CFs were there a few weeks ago, but went back out into service.
However, just for interest, after the 3 latest 93s were done, I believe there is still one older build C44 still unaccounted for at UGL. Plus, late last year, there was a brand new pair of fabricated bogie frames out the front at UGL, while the 3 new/old 93s were underway. They were devoid of all plumbing and fittings and the axle box guides were nice and new.
EFB5800
Aurizon are repainting 5000 and 6000 classes (if not in an orderly manner) into the current scheme, as well as having the two CFs which would need repainting.

I was under the impression that PN purchased everything they had at Broadmeadow...

I think I have only seen the two old cream locos and one newer grey one sitting around.

Perhaps you saw a PHC some time ago before it was painted?

Peter
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
I'll go back through my photos when I'm back in town in a couple of days. I believe the 5000s are being done at Cardiff. 5007 was done there, then went out to work, then went to Varley's for attention. I seem to remember there was a Downer vehicle parked next to it there.
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
Aurizon painted, but not yet decalled 6041 and 6042 at UGL Broadmeadow at the moment. The 3 PHs are all decalled and still waiting outside. CF4404 parked out the front. CF4412 in the shop for a while now. Also, not so new NR26 was moved into one of the paint sheds this morning and had full height scaffolding erected around it.
  DounutCereal Chief Train Controller

Location: Who knows.
Aurizon painted, but not yet decalled 6041 and 6042 at UGL Broadmeadow at the moment
EFB5800
I'm not familiar with these two locos, are these an extension of the 6020 class or a new class entirely?
  M636C Minister for Railways

Aurizon painted, but not yet decalled 6041 and 6042 at UGL Broadmeadow at the moment. The 3 PHs are all decalled and still waiting outside. CF4404 parked out the front. CF4412 in the shop for a while now. Also, not so new NR26 was moved into one of the paint sheds this morning and had full height scaffolding erected around it.
EFB5800
Does that mean the three 93 class have been delivered?

I assume 6041 and 6042 are CF4401 and CF4409.

They must be regarded as different enough to not be numbered 6033 and 6034.

The NRs get painted quite separately from their major overhauls.

It would be a shock to everybody if CF 4412 became 6043....

Peter
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
6040 is a new number range as the 6020s stop at 29. 30s appear to have been skipped, possibly to allow for the ACC group that would have been there if they weren't ACCs. That's just my guessing. However the general consensus is that these 2 are repainted ex CFs. The aircons are weathered, so I'm all for it.

EDIT,  I looked at my photos, and the aircons aren't weathered today like they were a couple of weeks ago.
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
ACCs are in the 6030s. Derr .
  Toddy Train Controller

9320 was still there in fresh paint as of this afternoon as well.
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
Hi all.
6041 and 6042 are sitting at Hexham at the moment. The CF repaints? Excellent effort by UGL , I must say. They've done a million dollar job. Paint is immaculate. Also , the wheels and tms are brand new, even the brake blocks. And every zinc plated bolt, even up inside the undergear is shiny new. Hose clamps and crimp fittings new too. Even the hoses everywhere aren't painted, you can read the part numbers. Not a dent or mark anywhere. All the fuel fittings and gadgets are new. And topped it all off with new builders plates.
6041 is R-0147-02/17-527
6042 is R-0147-02/17-528

5007 is nearby. A downer repaint with none of the above luxuries.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Hi all.
6041 and 6042 are sitting at Hexham at the moment. The CF repaints? Excellent effort by UGL , I must say. They've done a million dollar job. Paint is immaculate. Also , the wheels and tms are brand new, even the brake blocks. And every zinc plated bolt, even up inside the undergear is shiny new. Hose clamps and crimp fittings new too. Even the hoses everywhere aren't painted, you can read the part numbers. Not a dent or mark anywhere. All the fuel fittings and gadgets are new. And topped it all off with new builders plates.
6041 is R-0147-02/17-527
6042 is R-0147-02/17-528

5007 is nearby. A downer repaint with none of the above luxuries.
EFB5800

CF units still in CF colours as of about 10 days ago.

Aren't these the phantom GWUs?
  GT46C-ACe Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
New (ish?) builds whatever they were meant to be originally.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Hi all.
6041 and 6042 are sitting at Hexham at the moment. The CF repaints? Excellent effort by UGL , I must say. They've done a million dollar job. Paint is immaculate. Also , the wheels and tms are brand new, even the brake blocks. And every zinc plated bolt, even up inside the undergear is shiny new. Hose clamps and crimp fittings new too. Even the hoses everywhere aren't painted, you can read the part numbers. Not a dent or mark anywhere. All the fuel fittings and gadgets are new. And topped it all off with new builders plates.
6041 is R-0147-02/17-527
6042 is R-0147-02/17-528

5007 is nearby. A downer repaint with none of the above luxuries.

CF units still in CF colours as of about 10 days ago.

Aren't these the phantom GWUs?
bingley hall
At least in theory, the "phantom GWUs" became 9318 and 9319 and 9320 was one more new unit built later.

It was said that PN cleaned out all the unsold units at Broadmeadow.
Of course, it is hard to tell the difference between unnumbered units in grey undercoat, so it is just possible there were two more. However, I'd only believe that if I saw CF4401 and CF 4409 standing next to 6041 and 6042.

Does 5007 have the large italic numbers?
5003 somehow kept the big italic numbers it had when new through the Downer repaint.

Peter
  MPP 4520 Beginner


At least in theory, the "phantom GWUs" became 9318 and 9319 and 9320 was one more new unit built later.

It was said that PN cleaned out all the unsold units at Broadmeadow.
Of course, it is hard to tell the difference between unnumbered units in grey undercoat, so it is just possible there were two more. However, I'd only believe that if I saw CF4401 and CF 4409 standing next to 6041 and 6042.

Does 5007 have the large italic numbers?
5003 somehow kept the big italic numbers it had when new through the Downer repaint.

Peter


M636C

Oh dear would you please give up on the theory the CFs have been repainted and re numbered.


CF4401 and CF4409 ARE still on banking duties at Chilcotts as of today.

6041 and 6042 ARE brand new I have photos of their milages on the computer screens and they only had 70km on delivery.

Serial numbers are as follows:

6041  is  R-0147-02/17-527
6042  is  R-0147-02/17-528


6041 and 6042 are due to go to intermodal once specific paperwork is sorted out.

Me
  sydneyshortnorth Junior Train Controller

Location:

"At least in theory, the "phantom GWUs" became 9318 and 9319 and 9320 was one more new unit built later..............
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6041 and 6042 ARE brand new I have photos of their milages on the computer screens and they only had 70km on delivery.

Serial numbers are as follows:

6041  is  R-0147-02/17-527
6042  is  R-0147-02/17-528


6041 and 6042 are due to go to intermodal once specific paperwork is sorted out.

Me"
MPP 4520

If it's any help for those who like to put things in their proper order 9320's builder's plate shows its Serial Number as R-0167-12/16-523. So there's no doubt it's a new build, but perhaps not quite as new as 6041 & 6042. I'll let others speculate about book numbers 524-526!

Steve
  M636C Minister for Railways



If it's any help for those who like to put things in their proper order 9320's builder's plate shows its Serial Number as R-0167-12/16-523. So there's no doubt it's a new build, but perhaps not quite as new as 6041 & 6042. I'll let others speculate about book numbers 524-526!

Steve
sydneyshortnorth

UGL only apply builder's plates when the loco is delivered.
9320 was new but it was around twelve months old.

What are the builder's numbers of PH 001 to PH 003? 524 to 526 would fit if the plates were fitted just after the 93 class.

So 9318 and 9319 are probably 521-522, even though they were around two or more years old.

Peter
  tonyburgessau Beginner



If it's any help for those who like to put things in their proper order 9320's builder's plate shows its Serial Number as R-0167-12/16-523. So there's no doubt it's a new build, but perhaps not quite as new as 6041 & 6042. I'll let others speculate about book numbers 524-526!

Steve
UGL only apply builder's plates when the loco is delivered.
9320 was new but it was around twelve months old.

What are the builder's numbers of PH 001 to PH 003? 524 to 526 would fit if the plates were fitted just after the 93 class.

So 9318 and 9319 are probably 521-522, even though they were around two or more years old.


Peter


Peter,

Good to get this info.
Yes it seems logical that PH001-PH003 are 524-526 [so they no longer display UGL]  
Have they been despatched

It seems to me that the R-0xxx number is the authority to start construction, but the 5xx not allocated until loco complete
PHC class have a lower R # than the previous deliveries, to me indicates that they may have been started for GWU010 & 011?
The surprise is the date 12/16 on 9320, was it completed just before the Christmas holidays; would be interesting to see dates on 9318 & 9319

Tony




M636C
  GS4 Train Controller

Wasn't Aurizon supposed to be buying 77 new locos during 2017 2018 period ?  Maybe UGL will continue to produce locally made locos for a while yet.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Good to get this info.
Yes it seems logical that PH001-PH003 are 524-526 [so they no longer display UGL]  
Have they been despatched

It seems to me that the R-0xxx number is the authority to start construction, but the 5xx not allocated until loco complete
PHC class have a lower R # than the previous deliveries, to me indicates that they may have been started for GWU010 & 011?
The surprise is the date 12/16 on 9320, was it completed just before the Christmas holidays; would be interesting to see dates on 9318 & 9319

Tony
tonyburgessau
I haven't checked out Broadmeadow since December...

I suspect the date on the plate is the date the plate was engraved.

At least one ARG AC had a plate with the wrong weights and the wrong serial number when I photographed it at Broadmeadow, but had a correct plate when I next saw it at Forrestfield (with a subtly different typeface).

Peter
  Maccification Beginner

According to ARTC, 6041 and 6042 are for all intents and purposes a continuation of the 6000 class.
https://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/TOC/Files/17028.PDF
  M636C Minister for Railways

According to ARTC, 6041 and 6042 are for all intents and purposes a continuation of the 6000 class.
https://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/TOC/Files/17028.PDF
Maccification

It is time someone updated the available copy of the TOC Manual.

The 6000 class, 6001 to 6012 are duly listed under "QR National", as are 5000s and 5020s.

I'm not sure where you are supposed to look for 6021-6029 and ACC6030 - ACC6032.

It is true that the ACCs rarely operate East of Kalgoorlie, (and thus not on ARTC track) but there was a 6020 leading 7MB7 on Sunday through Maitland.

There is no entry for Aurizon.

The very similar AC and ACB classes are wrongly listed under "Genesee and Wyoming" but no GWUs which GWA do own appear. The GWA class does appear, indicating weights for ballasted versions, again which I think don't exist.

So they can't list the 6040 series as 6020s because they don't list any 6020s.

I would be very surprised if the the 6040 series are 4270 HP, since all of the locomotives built since the 6000s are quoted as 4350 HP. That's pretty much a rounding error, I know but the paperwork is getting out of hand.

Wagons are still listed under Australia Western, a title that went away well before QR bought ARG.

So can we assume that the two CFs actually purchased will become 6033 and 6034 (or maybe 6043 and 6044....).

Peter
  MPP 4520 Beginner

According to ARTC, 6041 and 6042 are for all intents and purposes a continuation of the 6000 class.
https://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/TOC/Files/17028.PDF

It is time someone updated the available copy of the TOC Manual.

The 6000 class, 6001 to 6012 are duly listed under "QR National", as are 5000s and 5020s.

I'm not sure where you are supposed to look for 6021-6029 and ACC6030 - ACC6032.

It is true that the ACCs rarely operate East of Kalgoorlie, (and thus not on ARTC track) but there was a 6020 leading 7MB7 on Sunday through Maitland.

There is no entry for Aurizon.

The very similar AC and ACB classes are wrongly listed under "Genesee and Wyoming" but no GWUs which GWA do own appear. The GWA class does appear, indicating weights for ballasted versions, again which I think don't exist.

So they can't list the 6040 series as 6020s because they don't list any 6020s.

I would be very surprised if the the 6040 series are 4270 HP, since all of the locomotives built since the 6000s are quoted as 4350 HP. That's pretty much a rounding error, I know but the paperwork is getting out of hand.

Wagons are still listed under Australia Western, a title that went away well before QR bought ARG.

So can we assume that the two CFs actually purchased will become 6033 and 6034 (or maybe 6043 and 6044....).



Peter


No plans to renumber the CFs at this stage due to the antiquated and painful registration process

Me
M636C
  M636C Minister for Railways


No plans to renumber the CFs at this stage due to the antiquated and painful registration process

Me
MPP 4520

Clearly there shouldn't be any complication in moving a locomotive from one number series to another when both types are the same. It would be even more sensible if there was a single number series for each class as there is in the UK.

But we have a system that apparently doesn't even know how many locomotives there are in a given class as shown by the TOC Waiver above. The blame is presumably shared with Sydney Trains who also try to maintain the same lists.

But Aurizon already have a loco of the same type numbered ACB 4401, even though ARTC seem to think that belongs to GWA.

It isn't good to have two locos with the same number, whether or not they have a different class letter, particularly if they look the same and might turn up in Forrestfield together.

At least Aurizon can repaint them if they want to.

Peter
  GeordieLadinOz Station Master

3 CF's including 001 and 009 were still near Willow Tree on Sunday for banking duties, think the other was 002 or 004, memory is going.

Interestingly the Aurizon coal that I saw being banked at Ardglen had the 3 PN TT's on the rear whilst the CF's enjoyed the afternoon in the sun.

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